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AND TAKE THEIR ENTIRE FUCKING COACHING STAFF AND ALL THE HIGH PRICED PHILBIN GUYS WITH THEM!!!!!

Take a chill pill, doofus

Agree 100%. And the cursing by Landshark tonight on this board is a little much. Shows his ignorance!!!

I think this is a pretty reasonable reaction after you get humiliated by a joke of a team like the Bucs.  

We'll be damned lucky to finish with 6 wins this season.

^^^^

No football game ever warrants that kind of emotion

Agree!

Then you're obviously not a real fan

Yes I am chuckle chuckle

Look around.  Former Dolphins starring EVERYWHERE while this nitwit GM brought in guys who haven't done shit since they've gotten here.  This is on him and the coaches. 

One bad game doesn't warrant this type of reaction. Going 1-5 in the last games does. When you look at how they've been losing. If it was just that players were injured or suspended, then fine. That's not the case here. They react to their 1st loss by going 1-4. They react to this week's distraction by falling behind 0-15 to a winless team, with a week & a half to prepare for. They fought back to take a lead of 19-15. Not 28-15. Or 24-15. 19 to 15. That left a winless team in the game. They were down 22-19 with 3 minutes to go. Plenty of time for a balanced offense. But 14 attempts for 2 yds doesn't scream balance. Tampa knew this. That's why they didn't blitz on the last drive of the 1st half. So on this last Miami drive, with no running game & a dismal offensive line, Miami takes the field. Running the same offense as the last drive of the 1st half. Tampa MADE the adjustment of blitzing. Miami makes NO adjustment.

So this is not an overreaction to ONE game. Its an accumulation. One of this season and seasons previously.

Who are they?

Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Jake Long (7th best tackle by PFF rankings), Dan Carpenter has only missed 2 field goals all season, even Sean Smith had a 100 yard pick six. There's quite a few. -EK

While Landshark is ranting like a child, I fear his point may be correct.

I don't blame any one person for what's happened here, but this latest scandal really opened my eyes to the dysfunction and lack of leadership with our organization.  I feel bad for Philbin (and I even kinda feel bad for Ireland), but I think that you need to clean house.

And I never, ever say that.

But what are you salvaging?  I probably wouldn't let Philbin go if it were my choice, but there needs to be a scapegoat for this and just Ireland isn't enough.  I think you need to change the culture of the team, effective immediately.  It probably needs to start with Ross.  If he's here for the long haul, he needs to take a more active role in setting the tone for what is acceptable.

You know -- it even goes back to the marketing from a few years ago (something I originally said wasn't a big deal.)  But you advertise that this is a party.  Well, you got a party and your players are having a blast.  You need a change in organizational focus.  I think that Philbin was that change, but it was too late.  The cancer had already seeped its way into the team at all levels.

If you listened to Ross yesterday and all the praise he heaped on Philbin I'm pretty sure Philbin isn't getting fired. Unless we finish with just 4 wins which I don't see happening

^ I kinda hope that Philbin gets out of this, but I imagine that some of the other coaches will take the fall.  I'm hoping this investigation will find some people that this can be tracked to, so you can clear out.

I don't think this investigation will find anything of importance really. We will see

I think Philbin is safe. Ross is loyal to a fault (look how long he has kept Ireland around).

Here is Philbin's biggest risk, (besides losing a bunch more games):  If the investigation finds that Philbin told Incongito to toughen up Martin, in response to Martin missing a practice, that is a violation of the CBA and league rules.  Something that could result in the league fining the Dolphins for and/or costing the Dolphins a draft pick. 

And here I thought Philbin's biggest risk was being outcoached and losing to an 0-8 Bucs team. Huh... Who knew? -EK

^^^ I added the losing of games.  I meant from the bullygate, his biggest risk is the code aqua. 

I'm pretty sure that didn't happen. Or else Philbin would have given Ross the heads up on that already so he didn't go in front of the public/media and make an ass out of himself by defending Philbin like he did yesterday. Not being honest with the owner hurts Philbin more long term than actually giving the order if he did. Which tells me he didn't plus he doesn't see like that type of coach.

I'm sure Philbin told Ross he didn't give any "code red" and that and he is only coaching the players Irealnd gave him. Because remember Ireland has "FINAL SAY" on the roster...not Philbin!

Dave, I hear you. The problem with letting Ireland go but keeping Philbin is that you limit your choices. If you could find a GM that agrees with Philbin's play and personnel style, cool. I'm not saying that would be impossible. Just difficult. If I was Ross, I would completely clean house after this season. Then again, I would also change the logo. But in the end, changes have to be made here. Its nit just the lack of progress. Its the "culture" that's "tearing this team apart."

I totally agree.

You need a GM that has the same philosophy as a head coach.  I'd love if we found a GM who wants to keep Philbin, but I understand if that's not the case that Philbin may be an unfortunate casualty.

you guys do realize that if Ross fires Ireland there is a good chance (maybe better than good) Ross just makes Dawn Aponte the new GM. You realize that is a possibility right?

I didn't give that any thought, but you may be right.  I know she has been involved in contract negotiations, and is considered a tough negotiator.  Would she also be responsible for talent evaluation? 

Yep!

That would mean the eventual destruction of this team and would cause me to stop watching games altogether.

You could just create a new fan persona and start watching again as someone else...

Well if that happens then Landshark can just become a Panthers fan and post here everyday non stop  ;)

Be afraid.... be very afraid

How do you know it will destroy the team?  Your ridiculous knee-jerk reaction makes me believe you have an issue with a woman as our GM.  Not very enlightened for a professor.

She's been responsible for the cap for both the Browns and the Phins, and in both cases, she has done a good job.  She seems to be highly respected by other NFL front offices.  I'm not sure how this prepares her for evaluating talent, so I'm not suggesting she's the right choice, just that she has had some success.

I guess I look at these kinds of decisions differently.  I don't believe Ross and his staff are stupid.  I don't think they will put a valuable asset like a professional sports franchise in the hands of someone that is likely to screw it up. They must have faith in her.

If my choice is to trust the business judgement of a guy that has made 5 billion dollars OR the ravings of a phoney professor, I'm sticking with the billionaire.

Her being a woman has nothing to do with this. 


This is why.  You don't need a tightwad at the top who only cares about the bottom line and has a tendency to lowball players.  Especially one who has NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER in talent evaluation.  Successful teams have FOOTBALL guys at the top.  You're make money in this business by winning, not cutting costs.

I guess that's why the Patriots have been so successful for the past decade, because we all know they throw money at players.  You do realize that there is a cap, right?  It's about balance, and not over paying for players. 

Let's be honest.  Neither of us know what her experience is evaluating talent, but only you are making bombastic declarations based on zero knowledge of the situation.   When I look at her profile, I see someone with 23 years of experience in the NFL, five years as a VP of football operations.  Do you really think she has "NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER"?  I'm not saying she's the right person for the job, but your reaction is laughable.

She is a business person, not a football person.  This team has had that model before and it hasn't worked. Anyway, why are we even getting worked up over this?  This is just speculation.

If Ross's plan is to keep Philbin but fire Ireland the logical GM choice are Brian Gaine and Dawne Aponte. Keep it in house.

Not flashy names or anything to get excited about but those are the two logical people to expect to get the job

I am sure that Aponte is good at the salary cap stuff, and probably would make a solid GM, but if given the choice, I would rather have Miami's GM be some savant-type scouting guru who can spot NFL talent with a high level of consistency. We can get some quality bean counters to help with the books and the business side. I just want someone who can, to paraphrase Bill Parcells, pick out good groceries to stock the pantry.

If the goal is to clean house (or even just send a message of cleaning house) than you can't keep it in house.  You need to look to an outsider.

Aponte has built her reputation on her ability to manage the cap, not on talent evaluation, so it's impossible to argue that a savant scouting guru wouldn't be a better option.  Of course, every team is looking for that. 

In the end, I think a decision on a new GM may come down to how much Ross wants to keep Philbin.  It may be hard to lure in a top GM candidate if he is unable to put his own coaching staff in place.   

they were predicting her as a possible first female GM last year but even then I questioned her ability to assess and predict talent.

Cause, yeah, the CURRENT talent speaks volumes about how great talent eval has been so far. She can't possibly be worse that what is there, and I doubt she'll tell one player to punch another. -EK

This tells me that no matter how bad our current player evaluation may be at assessing football talent, your ability at assessing where rock bottom lies is even worse.

She is an excellent cap manager and as such, she does play a vital role in this organization.  But I would not give her final say on player personnel until she's had some time learning under that savant scouting guru we all want.

Miami was just between by the worst team in the league. They're going to finish good enough to not get a top 5 or even top 10 draft pick, but not good enough to even sniff the playoffs. Again. So how much worse is rock bottom? -EK

Rock bottom beat you on Monday. 

Do you fail to notice the problem in saying "How much worse can it get than losing to an 0-8 team?"

Offhand, I'd say being 1-8?

^^^ Exactly, and I'd argue that Jacksonville is still a lower quality team than Tampa Bay.

The moment you confidently proclaim that things can't possibly get worse is the exact moment that you should expect things to get worse.

That's where I disagree. At least Jax and TB will each have top 2 or 3 overall picks in the draft. That's more valuable than another 12-15 spot that. Miami will have and at the end of the day none of the three teams will make the playoffs. At this point, at least the 1-8 team has a better tool to rebuild with. -EK

^^^^^^^

And that is what's hurting this team the most.  They are in no man's land.  Not good enough for the playoffs but not bad enough for the top draft picks

^^^ Which historically have paid off so well since we have had a #1, #2, & #3 during our struggles. This play for a high pick theory is crap. It is what you do with your picks, no where you select.

^^^^ Which is exactly why Ireland needs to go.

And Philbin needs to as well

Our #1 was a good pick. We just failed to hang on to him after a so-so injury season. Our #3 "could" turn out to do pretty well but obviously he isn't going to be an major impact this year.  The #2 didn't turn out to warrant a #2 but he was serviceable. I think it was just a bad year to be bad.

Where we suck is getting impact players from that point on and that's where GMs earn their money. they need to find the Zach, Jason's, Surtain and Madison's for us.

Ronnie Brown's value was moderate for a #2.  He was neither a bust nor a great pick.
Jake Long was not the kind of impact you need from a #1 overall LT.  You only make that pick at #1 if you believe he will be a franchise cornerstone.