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Morten Andersen, K – 1982-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-2000, 2006-07 Atlanta Falcons, 2001 New York Giants, 2002-03 Kansas City Chiefs, 2004 Minnesota Vikings
Steve Atwater, S – 1989-1998 Denver Broncos, 1999 New York Jets
Jerome Bettis, RB – 1993-95 Los Angeles/St. Louis Rams, 1996-2005 Pittsburgh Steelers
Derrick Brooks, LB – 1995-2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tim Brown, WR/KR – 1988-2003 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders, 2004 Tampa Bay Buccaneers                     
Don Coryell, Coach – 1973-77 St. Louis Cardinals, 1978-1986 San Diego Chargers
Roger Craig, RB – 1983-1990 San Francisco 49ers, 1991 Los Angeles Raiders, 1992-93 Minnesota Vikings
Terrell Davis, RB – 1995-2001 Denver Broncos
Edward DeBartolo, Jr., Owner – 1977-2000 San Francisco 49ers
Tony Dungy, Coach – 1996-2001 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2002-08 Indianapolis Colts                     
Kevin Greene, LB/DE – 1985-1992 Los Angeles Rams, 1993-95 Pittsburgh Steelers, 1996, 1998-99 Carolina Panthers, 1997 San Francisco 49ers
Charles Haley, DE/LB – 1986-1991, 1999 San Francisco 49ers, 1992-96 Dallas Cowboys
Marvin Harrison, WR – 1996-2008 Indianapolis Colts
Joe Jacoby, T – 1981-1993 Washington Redskins
Jimmy Johnson, Coach – 1989-1993 Dallas Cowboys, 1996-99 Miami Dolphins                      
Walter Jones, – T – 1997-2008 Seattle Seahawks
John Lynch, FS – 1993-2003 Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 2004-07 Denver Broncos
Karl Mecklenburg, LB – 1983-1994 Denver Broncos
Andre Reed, WR – 1985-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Washington Redskins
Will Shields, G – 1993-2006 Kansas City Chiefs                     
Michael Strahan, DE – 1993-2007 New York Giants
Paul Tagliabue, Commissioner – 1989-2006 National Football League
Aeneas Williams, CB/S – 1991-2000 Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals, 2001-04 St. Louis Rams
Steve Wisniewski, G – 1989-2001 Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders
George Young, Contributor – 1968-1974 Baltimore Colts, 1975-78 Miami Dolphins, 1979-1997 New York Giants, 1998-2001 National Football League -

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One thing I find odd about Dungy is no mention of his playing in the NFL.  He is only one of three people to win a superbowl as both a player and head coach. 

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Probably because he is going in as a coach not a player!!!!!

George Young should be in. Marvin Harrison MUST get in. Michael Strahan MUST get in.

I think Walter Jones and Joe Jacoby have a good shot to get in.

Morten Anderson, Don Coryell, Dungy, Tagliabue, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis have no shot of getting in.

To early for Strahan, & I don't see Harrison getting in yet either.  DeBartolo should get in, but won't.  I see Jacoby, Reed, & Young making it.

too early?? That makes no sense to me. You either ARE you are AREN'T a hall of fame player.

No way Reed gets in period, he wasn't a hall of fame WR. And no way he ever gets in before Harrison

Totally agree.  I hate all this "first time ballot" crap.  Either you make the HOF or you don't.  There shouldn't be levels of acceptance.

Well if that were true then every player would only have one year of eligibility to enter the Hall.

Jimmy Johnson isn't going in as a college coach, but listed as one of his accomplishments was winning a both a SB and a major college conference.

While Dungy the player by itself is not HOF worthy.  And Dungy the coach is iffy, that he won a ring in both capacities adds to his case vs. his coaching alone. 

Trivia question.  Who were the other two?

Ditka and Tom Flores. Ditka I knew. Flores I had to look up. -EK

Not very many people know about Tom Flores

What about Derrick Brooks? I see him getting in and joining the Bucs only two other Defensive Players of the Year, Sapp and Selmon, in the HOF.

-11 time Pro-Bowl
-9 Time All Pro
-Started 221 of 224 games

He was a hall of fame player. I think he will get in.

I see your point but it was still part of coaching football, not playing. I would say that if Jimmy had played they would not mention it much the same as they didn't with Dungy!!!!!!

He didn't play at all in the post season and only had one attempt during the regular season for KC.  So it is pretty easy to over look. 

Flores is mere trivia, yes he has the ring as a player, but it is equally true to say that Rohan Davey has two superbowl rings as a QB.     

I'm curious whether anyone thinks Marvin Harrison's shootings will keep him out of the Hall of Fame?  His performance on the field are exceptional and definitely worthy of the Hall.  And, I know that technically off-the-field issues aren't supposed to affect the votes, but the reality is that I wouldn't vote for him until I knew what really happened.  From what I can tell from the media articles, he's a vigilante who protects his bar--with extreme force. 

Here's a pretty good article on what is known so far:  http://diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com/the-curious-case-of-marvin-harrison/

Won't have any effect on whether he gets in or not. Those shootings were so long ago, and nothing ever came of them and most people have no idea they took place. Plus he was never arrested or charged with anything. While I am not saying Harrison is a saint or innocent....it will have no bearing on his hall of fame voting. The guy is a sure fire lock hall of fame WR. 1100+ receptions, 14,000+ yards and 128 touchdowns...not even up for debate.

Update:
Here's the complete list of modern-era finalists:

Morten Andersen
Jerome Bettis
Derrick Brooks
Tim Brown
Edward DeBartolo
Tony Dungy
Kevin Greene
Charles Haley
Marvin Harrison
Walter Jones
John Lynch
Andre Reed
Will Shields
Michael Strahan
Aeneas Williams

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000311460/article/walter-jones-leads-list-of-hall-of-fame-finalists

The rules are that 4-7 people will be selected and that players need to appear on a certain number of ballots. As long as there are those types of rules you will have discussions on who would be a first year, second year, etc. guy.

Don't see Morten Andersen getting in. Sure, he has the record for most points (and kicked the second-longest-at-the-time field goal -- behind that 63-yarder that was broken only this season), but there's only one kicker in the Hall and kickers have improved so much today that Morten's achievements seem less significant.

Bettis seems to really divide people. He doesn't really fill the official criteria, but he was a special kind of back, almost a fullback. He would be the heaviest running back if inducted. Didn't get in the first time around. I think he might this time.

Tony Dungy being on the list is a joke. Nice guy, great guy, but not a hall of fame coach. Tom Flores and Jimmy Johnson won more Super Bowls than he did and they aren't in the HOF. Morton Anderson and Anesas Williams, also shouldn't be on the list and in consideration.

The guys who get in to me is easy this year

Strahan
Harrison
Jones
Brooks
Shields
Brown

Now I am not a big Tim Brown guy but I think he will get in finally so that's why I put him on the list but if I were voting I wouldn't put him in. DeBartolo and Haley SHOULD get in and already be in, but nobody likes them so they won't.

How Andre Reed got in I will never understand. But I don't understand how Art Monk got in a few years back so whatever. Marvin Harrison got robbed.  Harrison played 3 LESS years than Reed and has 41 more TD's, and 1400 more receiving yards, was 3 times all pro while Reed was NEVER All Pro, yet they put Reed in. Amazing. Truly Amazing.

The rest of the class I have no problem with, it was all pretty matter of fact this year. Pretty easy class to vote on really. Just surprised they screwed up the Harrison-Reed-Brown deal. I mean they royally screwed it up! Glad to see at least Tim Brown didn't make the first cut!!  I wouldn't have put Aeneas Williams in but whatever, not a big deal. He was a nice player.

Sorry, but your analysis that "kickers have improved so much today that Morten's achievements seem less significant" is just plain wrong.  You have to judge the player based on his peers at the time he played.  If anything his achievements in his era only improve the justification for electing him.  By your logic most of the QB's in the HoF should not be there because they don't measure up to what Brady, Manning, Brees, or others are doing today.

Reed was on a team that won four consecutive AFC championships.  Lynn Swann doesn't deserve to be in the HOF either, but people care about the postseason.  Robert Horry will probably make it into the basketball HOF for the same reason.

If Haley wasn't such a dick, he'd have been in a long time ago.

No kicker will be voted in by the press. It will be through veterans committee type of deal like ray guy

Tim Brown and Marvin Harrison have better stats than Reed. Makes zero sense Reed is in over them. The HOF has turned into a popularity contest.

My analysis is spot on.

I'm well aware of the standards that are supposed to be applied when looking at Hall of Fame candidates, but that doesn't mean those are strictly adhered to.

The problem for a guy like Morton is that he was quite probably the best "old school" kicker, but the position has moved on to such an extent that his accomplishments just don't seem that special. We're talking about a position where there only 1 guy has ever gotten in. If you, as a HoF voter, are considering adding #2, it would be unrealistic not to look at the consequences... which would be that #3 would HAVE to come with the current crop. That then raises the natural question if maybe the current crop might provide a better #2 than Morton.

How many QBs have better stats than Aikman?

He led 3 Super Bowl teams. That counts for something when it comes to QB's. How many QB's have 3 rings? Not many!

How many WRs have better stats than Michael Irvin or Lynn Swann?
How many RBs have better stats than Larry Csonka?

Postseason success matters (to the selectors).  Reed's team won 4 straight conference championships.  It's not like inducting key players (with above-average stats) on really good teams is a new development.

In 4 Super Bowls Reed has 27 receptions for 323 yards, no TD's. Nothing special by any means. 80 yards per game average. And in one game he had only 34 yards.

In 20 playoff games he has 85 receptions and 9 TD's. Are those great numbers? I mean they aren't bad but consider he was NEVER ALL PRO even once, and I dont think he is a hall of fame player. Let alone should have got in before Marvin Harrison who has 41 more TD's than him.

^^Not to mention he was a douche that played for the Bills.

No, your analysis is still terrible.  Now if you want to say the voters are biased against the kicking positions, I'd agree with you; but to blame it what current kickers accomplish is just wrong.  I doubt that ever enters the mind of the voters as it relates to kickers.

Whether its football or baseball, typically the committees don't like to admit more than 3 or 4 guys per year at most.  Hence, historically the spots go to QB's, WR's, and RB's.