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I think you gotta give the guy at least one more year

He just broke the franchise record for most times being sacked in the season.

QB is the least of Miami's issues these days. Get an o-line (4 to 5 new guys there) and fix the Defensive Tackle spots first. If you can't run or stop the run you can't win.

I agree that you have to.  If he doesn't show improvement in year three behind a revamped line, cut him loose

Tanny Is a  product of his OC Mike Sherman!    Sherman is the issue more than Tanny... We're running a West Coast Offense without running many of the WCO staple plays or concepts.  Then when we do actually run some of the concepts... it's run with the wrong players.  We should see slants and more screens run by Wallace... instead he runs them with Matthews and Hartline.   More wheel routes to Miller and Clay will soften the pass rush.. but Sherman runs these concepts once a game... if at all!

The piss poor o-line has limited what we can do on offense. Not defending Sherman but when you have o-linemen who are slow, and can't get out in space fast enough there are certain plays we just can't run.

True!

But bubble screens don't require the offensive linemen at all!  Neither do the wheel routes or slants... Slants are a WCO staple!  I've never seen a team that ran a WCO scheme where slants and screens weren't a big part of their scheme.   That's all Sherman there... can't defend running a WCO scheme without any of the staple plays!  There is nothing to make the defense pay for being aggressive!

The success of a bubble screen relies on the offensive line releasing to block for the receiver. I don't see how it does not require them.

The fact that he's doing anything behind arguably the worst O-line in the league, with a weak WR corps and arguably the worst running back support in the league, tells me that Tannehill is not the problem with this team. Put him behind a better line, with a little more RB/WR talent around him, and I think he could even be a "great" QB, not just a good one.

Mod note: Try to think up a better title to your threads. 

In this case: "How much time should we give Tannehill?"

Totally agree.  And the fact he has equal to better stats than RGIII and Luck with this mess blocking for him and no running game says a lot about Tannehill. Just give him a decent o-line with a healthy Gibson and Keller. I think the o-line has killed this season. Can't protect the QB and won't allow the RB's to do anything. When you play a game (like we did vs TB) and every run play except 2 the RB's were hit behind the line of scrimmage...I dont' care if you have Jim Brown in his prime...you can't the ball. No RB will have success. It's a one-dimensional offense with no blocking. The fact we have won 5 games and almost won vs Buffalo, NE, Balt, and Carolina is a minor miracle!

Then this is easier- one more year to turn the corner. As bad as the OLine is, RT has had chances and doesn't make the throws he needs to. Look at the game vs. Carolina- Wallace had to adjust to make the TD catch because he was badly under thrown. Same thing on the 57 yarder- if he would have hit Wallace in stride or led him, that's a TD. Happened again in the second half for an incompletion. A "franchise" QB can't consistently underthrow his receivers when he's given time to pass- that's on him, not the line. -EK

So Mark Sanchez gets 4 years to prove his worth (starting out with a top defense, OL, and running game), while the cord is cut on Tannehill after 3 years?

BTW, I thought you already declared Tannehill a bust at halftime of his first game of his first season?  Why are you now saying he gets one more year (3 total)?

Why are you putting on the extremely reasonable and objective act right now when you had already decided Tannehill was a waste of a pick before he had completed a single game?

WRONG!

The receivers block for bubble screens!  The slot receiver runs the bubble and the outside receiver blocks the DB covering the slot guy. You can even have a TE release and block or trips to that side where they both block for the slot guy. 

http://youtu.be/jhqtcazEL4E

http://youtu.be/kER5Ds_fqnE

The idea is to get the ball to the receiver out in space... he need make one guy miss or break a tackle!

Guys, he set the franchise sack record with 5 games to go. Why is this even a conversation? He has been solid to good behind the worst O-Line in the league, which has led us to have ZERO running game. It's a one dimensional offense with a terrible OC and somehow we are still 5-6 and could arguably be 8-3 if we just closed out games and didn't choke. Give the kid a break, there are plenty of other areas of need. For now, QB is not one of them.

There's not a QB in the league who doesn't miss open receivers from time to time. It's not the throws a QB misses that really defines him, it's the ones he does make that defines him and RT makes plenty of really nice throws. Now if you are completely biased against him from the start, you won't see any of the good throws he makes you'll completely focus on the ones he misses which is exactly what you do. The only way you'll ever admit that RT is pretty good, he'll be the second coming of Marino by that time.

Some of you guys give up on players so fast. Look at what is going on in Washington. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/26/shanahan-rg3s-maturation-as-a-qb-will-come-but-it-takes-time/

“We had a dual threat. Now that threat is not quite there, as strong as it was a year ago. But now we go to a different direction, with our play action, we still run some of the zone reads, so that will come. That maturity will come. But it doesn’t happen overnight. There’s a growing period. If you take a look at so many of these quarterbacks, all the Hall of Fame quarterbacks, they’ve had much tougher periods than we’ve gone through so far. It doesn’t happen overnight, but he’s got all the ability in the world to make that big jump, and you just have to be patient.”

You have the head coach there saying the obvious,  it takes time to develop and it doesn't happen overnight. I highly doubt the Redskins are gonna give RGIII "just one more year or else kick him to the curb and replace him"....lol. San Diego gave up on Drew Brees real quick and went with Phillip Rivers....how did that work out for them??

Tannehill isn't the problem!! He is having a very good year. And when the season is over he might have a better year stats wise than both Luck and RGIII....and some of you are thinking about replacing him? It's lunacy!! It really is. Tannehill isn't gong anywhere. Not even up for debate, might as well move on to another issue because this one is foolish and a total waste of time.

Tannehill is by no means the problem. Give that man an O-Line and a running game then judge him. In my opinion, he's done fantastic. Of course I wish he wouldn't miss some key throws to Wallace and run a little bit more but he is not the problem.

You've mentioned this several times as if it's some coup de grace for your stance on Tannehill. It's a pointless argument though, because it's neither accurate nor meaningful. There's ZERO chance he has better stats than Luck, so just quit with that already. As for RG3, Tannehill has fewer passing yards and one more touchdown AND interception. So, you're going to hang your hat on him having a better year than a guy who came off of a career changing injury and clearly has regressed since last year? That's supposed to be enough reason to age faith in him? What about the two other second year QBs and 20 other guys who are having better years than RT? How many years do you give a first round pick finishing in the bottom third of the league as a QB before you say, "oops."? -EK

You are so lost on this issue its comical.

Tannehill already has more yards and a higher completion % than Luck, averages more yards per game than Luck. And they have equal TD's....but there is "NO CHANCE" with a month to go he can have a better year stats wise when all is said and done....lol, uh ok He also has better numbers than Colin Kappernick as well (compl %, yards, TD's). And mind you Tannehill has been sacked over 20+ more times than any of these guys and does it behind a god awful o-line!

Tannehill a 1st round pick with his level of play this far gets more than 2 or 3 MORE years. He has done nothing to make you think he shouldn't be the QB of this team for the immediate future going forward.  By your logic if Miami is ready to bail on Tannehill then SF, Indy, and Wash should be ready to bail on their young QB's as well.

I could be wrong but hasn't Cam struggled a bit thus far in his career. If so, that makes this all the more comical.

His 2012 was nothing to write home about, completion % under 60%, 19/12 TD-INT ratio, guess Carolina should have given up on him after last year...oh wait, nevermind! lol

Stellar cherry picking there. He also has more INTs than Luck, more fumbles, a lower QB rating, fewer total TDs and (here's the real laugher) fewer rushing yards and rushing TDs than Luck and he's supposed to be some running threat as a converted WR.

You're trying to compare a guy with fewer total TDs, over twice as many turnovers, and a  lower QBR, and somehow twisting and cherry picking to suit your bias. Unless they start giving an award for turning the ball over, RT isn't going to be statistically better than Luck. No way, no how.

Re. Cam, like it or not, in terms of stats and production he has been on an all-time pace to start his career- Second player in NFL history with 7,500+ pass yards and 40+ pass TDs in first two seasons, joining Peyton Manning (don't remind Mike of this, he still thinks Manning stunk his rookie year); Second most combined passing & rushing yards through his first 37 starts in NFL history; first player in NFL history with 50 passing TDs and 25 Rushing TDs in his first three seasons; first player with 10,000 passing yards and 1,000 rushing yards in his first three seasons. (From his wiki entry). -EK

Easy to leave out his 740 rushing yards and 8 TDs on the ground. I already post his first year stats. They're either the all time best or top two ever for a start to a career. You really have no leg to stand on. -EK

No you really come off looking silly trying to still continue with the "Tannehill is a Bust" argument and not just admit you were wrong. You called him a bust at HALFTIME Week 1 of his 1st game ever and have been trying to dig out of that hole you made for yourself with a silly and laughable opinion. Now over a year later you are at the opinion of ...."well give him a 3rd year and then maybe cut him loose"......just admit you were wrong and move on. He isn't a bust. He isn't the next Jamarcus Russell. He is a starting QB in this league for many more years to come

I am sure the Colts drafted Luck #1 overall to run the ball and those 262 rushing yards he has makes Jim Irsay excited and booking hotels in NYC for February  ::). Comparing his rushing yards to ya know...all of his passing numbers (TD's, completion %, yards..etc) which Tannehill is equal to him or beats him on this year (minus INT's) is smart  ::)

Good luck trying to keep pushing Tannehill is a BUST argument...lol.

Whoa- don't put words in my mouth. I didn't call him a bust at the beginning of the season. I said he would be a bust BEFORE he was drafted because of how high he was being scouted. He isn't a first round talent at all, let alone top 10.

I also didn't say I would give him a third year. That's why I inserted Dave's quote. He asked how long you guys should give him, not me. I wouldn't have given him any time because I wouldn't have drafted him. If he's there though, and you've drunk the Kool-Aid thus far, might as well let him finish his rookie contract.

Finally, yes, you have to include Luck and RTs rushing totals, especially since the Tannehill was supposed to be some sort of running threat coming out. Look at ALL the stats, not just the ones that back your POV. -EK

Back on topic- if you're a Phins fan, go back and review his scouting report out of A&M. Look at his weaknesses and honestly ask yourself if he's improved enough in a year and a half to keep him long term. Some of the things that were pointed out were tipped balls, underthrown balls if he's trying to put air under them, struggles reading coverage and stares down receivers, and takes unnecessary hits downfield/needs to learn to slide.

Now, you guys watch him more than I do. Has he markedly improved enough in these areas to warrant making him "the guy" with another year under his belt, or does he need to work on them more to earn an extension? -EK

He is signed thru 2015.

Has her shown enough to get a contract extension at this point?  NO.

That doesn't mean that the Dolphin's should be drafting his replacement and cutting him either.

Thought rookie contracts were three years?

Even so, if he's the same player at the end of year 3 that he is this year, I say they should look for someone else.

Edit- I know why I thought that. His rookie deal gives Miami an "out" to cut him after three years a save almost $1.5 million. I was under the impression then, and still am now, that that's what should be done, lol.

Interestingly, ESPN has an article up right now that points out, among other things, RT isn't a rookie anymore and if the team is going to make a playoff push, it's up to Tannehill to improve his play and get them there. -EK

You thought wrong.

For rookies drafted in the first round their contract shall be four years with a Club option for a fifth year; for rookies drafted in rounds 2-7, their contract shall be four years, and undrafted rookies shall receive a three year deal. 

Unless you have Manning or Brady in their 20s, it's ALWAYS time to start looking for a replacement.

So cut Tannehill, uses your second and third round draft pick to trade up and draft the best available QB, while leaving your o-line as is? 

I am not suggesting the Dolphins shouldn't grab a promising looking project in the 4th round that might replace Tannehill at some point.  But it is too early to invest an early draft pick.  Use the limited resources (draft picks, FA $$) on getting him a better oline, and then decide if he is worth keeping or not. 

I never said cut.


And this is where I disagree. If you're in a position to grab a potentially great quarterback in the first round, I think you need to seriously consider it (unless you have a great quarterback in his prime).

The quarterback position is so incredibly important in the NFL that "staying put" on it while building the rest of the team just isn't viable anymore.

^^^ I can appreciate the valuing of a QB, but in this case, you have a QB that has looked "pretty good" while having literally zero offensive support. Before I spend another first round pick on a new QB, I spend it on a stud O-lineman, or some "can't miss" playmaking RB/WR. Before I determine that this QB isn't "the guy" for this team, I at least want to put a team around him and see for sure.

They have had and let go two "can't miss" RB/WR's. One is in Chicago following up his best season at 1500+ yards and 11 TDs; the other is already over 1000 total yards from scrimmage in Detroit. The people in charge of player personel decided that what they have currently are better players or they wouldn't have let those two walk. RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players when the above is the case and they also added Wallace. The offensive line is a mess, and I totally agree with that, but the organization put the players around him they felt were best. If you're going to spend a first round pick on a WR or RB to replace the "can't miss" guys you already have, it makes just as much sense to spend it on a QB. -EK

So you're saying that the fact that Ireland traded away Marshall before Tannehill arrived and that Ireland chose not to re-sign Bush means "RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players"?  Is Tannehill one of the rarely seen QB/GMs?

Tannehill also is in charge of the Obamacare Website if you haven't heard!

LOL. Good one.

Just for clarity, can you point me to the post I actually said these things in? If not how about stop putting words in my mouth to start yet another pointless Spider-logic argument. The de facto drafting strategy should indicate to anyone with a rational thought in their head, that you don't pass up on Eddie Lacey, Tavon Austin, Kenbrell Thompkins, even Keenan Allen or Terrance Williams if you are certain you have the right players at WR/RB already in an offensive minded league. Instead, they move up to draft a player who hasn't done ANYTHING all year, and don't take a RB or WR at all in the entire draft. If that doesn't indicate that they felt like they already had the pieces in place for Tannehill to succeed, then nothing will. Don't make excuses for the kid. He has the talent around him in his RBs and WRs that Miami felt would be what he needed to be successful. Don't give me the "he needs better RBs and WRs" argument now. When they had the chance to get them, they let their great talents go, and put together a fairly forgettable draft class again this year. -EK

Tannehill hates Kittens and Puppies!

Tannehill's father was a puppy pimp, and his mother worked for his father. She was a kitten prostitute...

Tannehill also said I could keep my insurance at a 15% discount. Or was that Aaron Rogers?

People who hate puppies and kittens put them in a bag and throw them in a river. That explains why Tannehill has taken so many sacks this year.

It's the post directly preceding mine.  Let me (more) directly quote the context:


Pretty hard to miss a direct quote.  And while we're on the subject of Wallace, what's your opinion of him, again?

Free-agency flop? (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=22011.msg298040;topicseen#msg298040)
Consistently bad (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=21997.msg295266;topicseen#msg295266) even before the Dolphins got him?
50 yards a game and bad hands? (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=21992.msg295217;topicseen#msg295217)

How can you say Tannehill sucks because he is doing nothing with the weapons he has, at the same time you are saying that Tannehill's weapons suck?  You seem to have a priority conflict.

So again: according to you, because Tannehill didn't do anything with Marshall (who left before RT was drafted, for reasons out of RT's control) and Bush (who was here during RT's rookie year when he had no receiving threat, put up similarly mediocre numbers both before and after RT's arrival, and left for reasons out of RT's control), this means that Tannehill is a failure.

I'm not quite sure where that circular logic begins or ends.

That's funny, didn't see anywhere where I said Tannehill was a GM/QB.

So you're wrong.

Re. Wallace, again you're putting words in my mouth to fit your argument. It's completely logical for me to assert that Wallace was a free agent flop and that the Dolphins surrounded  Tannehill with players they believed to be capable. These two points are not mutually exclusive.

So again, let's recap since you- as always- would rather argue than actually read what's on the page: Tannehill was given the weapons that the team felt like were best to help him succeed at RB/WR. I did not agree with those choices, but that doesn't detract from the fact that the team believed they were the right players for the position (as validated by the fact that they let other players go and made no effort to draft a RB or WR). At this point, whether I said Wallace and Miller were never going to be better than their predecessors or not doesn't matter- the Dolphins felt that they were better, and the members of the board and the fans in general loved the Wallace signing and had massive expectations for Miller. If they were good enough for the team to choose and good enough for the fans when the season started, they should be good enough now. -EK

Not sure if you know how this whole English thing works, but the part I quoted from you was within the "quotation marks," followed by an original question based on that quote.

...except that that's not the point being discussed.  The point that you responded to was that Tannehill cannot be fairly judged yet because he hasn't had weapons.  You then cited some decisions made by the front office and concluded that "RT doesn't get a pass on not having skilled position players" because of those personnel moves.  Why, exactly, does RT "not get a pass" because of decisions he had no part in?

This has absolutely nothing to do with the point that Tannehill cannot be fairly evaluated until he has a competent cast around him, unless you assign blame to him for not having a competent cast (i.e. QB/GM).

That's fine. You see it from your POV and I'll see it from mine. Hate to break it to you, but you're not always right. Your arrogance is painted wonderfully by your inability to admit when you're wrong (remember the little jabs you were taking at me when I said TB would get its first win vs. Miami? You got mighty silent after the game) or acknowledge that there can be a POV other than your own (as in this thread). At the end of the day, it doesn't matter enough to me to keep arguing with you. Your team still sucks; inevitably you'll continue making excuses for why RT is not at fault for being in the bottom third of the league in almost every QB metric, and in another couple of years you can blindly defend his replacement in the same manner. -EK

Hey EKnight, remember a year ago when you used to (claim to) be a Dolphins fan?  It's incredibly hilarious for you to try to throw around statements like "your team still sucks" to people who didn't just jump over to another team because they got bored.  Hold on, let me become a Seahawks fan really quick and then we can talk about how much better my team is than your team!

Almost as comical is your attempt to preen over one of your robotic weekly predictions of a Dolphins loss, complete with an accusation of "mysterious silence."  This coming from the person who stops posting here altogether any time Miami puts together a win streak.  High comedy.

Wake me when this shit happens.


Re. "Your team" and "my team," I haven't cheered for Miami for years, (don't you read MikeO's posts? He figured that out long ago), and have been going to Panthers games since Kerry Collins was their starter. Why do you think I kept pulling for Matt Moore to stay the starter in Miami? I get that of all the teams to lose to, losing to the team I like is a bitter pill to swallow, but it's not like I arbitrarily or suddenly became a Panthers fan before this year. Nothing at all like your suggestion of becoming a Seattle fan- it isn't like I chose a team with a playoff run or even a hot start. Carolina started 0-3. Maybe that's why you're so grouchy. That 3-0 Miami start means exactly squat right now and it's tough to imagine that they may miss the playoffs since they've gone 2-6 since then.

The bottom line is that this thread was about how long to give RT. If I was in Miami management, I'd say one more year. They gave him the deep threat receiver he needed. They set him up at RB with a player younger, faster, and more durable than Bush. He still isn't getting it done. And while he is getting sacked at a record pace, it's funny to me that Andrew Luck is the most hit QB in the league- not Tannehill, but Lick is sacked LESS. Why? Luck is good enough to get rid of the ball before he's sacked; Tannehill isn't. Period. Any further talk of comparing their stats is ludicrous. Luck is playoff bound in spite of his bad OLine and losing an All-Pro WR. Tannehill is likely going to miss the playoffs and has failed to get production out of anyone else on his offense- the same guys that the team and you all were in love with in the offseason. -EK

this is the case study on why ireland needs to get canned pronto...

u make a huge investment in a young, inexperienced, raw qb and you don't do everything you possibly can to ensure he can be successful.

it is the myopic nature of this franchise since shula left. everyone looking out for the short term, save their ass, instead of looking at the long term. upon handing in the draft card for tanny at #8, ireland should've maniacally focused on drafting skill players on OFFENSE.

build up the offense through the draft to the detriment of the defense at least in the short term. these first 2 years should have been nothing but building the offense. yes we would currently have a terrible defense, and probably less wins, but who cares. objective number 1 should've been doing everything possible to ensure the offense (i.e. tanny) had everything needed to be really good.

instead, ireland felt he could do both. overpay linebackers, draft a luxury de high, draft corners high... he felt having a good defense on paper could get him enough wins to save his ass. ended up having a thin team with no depth that fell apart once injuries hit them.

This line is hilarious. You claim not to watch him as much as us, but you have been here for over 2 years telling us we are all wrong about him. And how much he sucks. Since you don't watch him as much as us, you have some pretty strong (and silly) opinions about the guy!

More EK comedy gold!

Why is it that all threads turn into a hatefest by EK, fueled by pretty much everyone else?

What happened to "don't feed the troll"?

Well Miami didn't overpay for Ellerbee he has been outstanding this year. Wheeler gets a raw deal in my opinion but if you felt they overpaid, maybe so. Not worth having that argument again. Bottom line...Fins still have $20+ mill in cap space and if Irealnd was trying to save his job, he would have used ALL OF THAT UP last offseason, not save it for THIS offseason. You may disagree with who Irealand paid, but he was smart in how he spent the money in that he kept Miami in very good salary cap status. Ireland could have overpaid for Cook and others and really gone for broke. But he didn't.

So this notion Ireland spent all this money to save his job, is just false. He didn't spend ALL of the money that was allotted to him. He saved a lot of it with the notion he was here for more than just 1 year.  That's where some fans need to take a step back and look at the big picture. It's easy to say..."Ireland spent a ton of money to save his job".....well no. He spent a ton of money because he had a ton of cap space. And he saved a bunch of cap space because he believed he would be here beyond this season, which until he is fired he still might be.

This is a very good question. And I wish it would stop makes this board almost unbearable.

Gotta remove the troll from the site. This is the attention and reaction he wants to get out of people.

Or be an adult and not add fuel to the fire in every thread!!!!!!!  ::)

Bingo. This is spot on. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/year/2013/seasontype/2



Well he is #10 so far.  Ahead of RG3 and Russel Wilson. Seattle is doing great while The Skins ae stinking it up

If anyone is still complaining about Tannehill then they are just looking to complain. He definitely continues to not only improve his game, but others around him. That's exactly what you want in a QB. Dan Marino had much to do with not being sacked. Tannehill is getting better at doing that. This also means he is allowing people to get open. It also means it's making it easier to run etc. He keeps the team calm when things are going bad and can make the throws.

While I'm sure he will continue to make some mistakes I think he's proven he can learn from those mistakes.

Very rose-colored of Phins fans. Just as easily, you could say, "if anyone is still ignoring his weekly bonehead plays and turnovers (like the pick six that nearly cost Miami the game- you can't a attempt that pass at your own 19), they're just ignoring the total picture about him." -EK

Yep, because he's the only QB in NFL history to throw a pick-6   ::)

Bottom line last year the Fins had 27 offensive touchdowns total. This year they have 28 TD's with 3 games left to play. WITH a horrible o-line this year taking into account. Tannehill is the main reason the offense has improved so much even with a crap o-line and Tannehill is still getting better! Trying to spin it any other way is foolish or shows a lack of football IQ

EK... EK... sigh.

Here are some numbers as to where Tannehill ranks:
Completions - 8th (300)

Attempts - 6th (484)

Yards - 8th (3,315)

Yards/game - 12th (255.0)

Touchdowns - Tied 10th with Foles (20)

Interceptions - 6th most (14)

First Downs - Tied 7th with Matt Ryan (170)

20+ yd plays - Tied 10th with Flacco, Ryan & Alex Smith (38)

40+ yd plays - Tied 6th with Roethlisberger and Stafford (10)

Tannehill is ahead of Luck in EVERY passing category except INT's, Luck has thrown less

Tannehill vs Wilson
Tannehill has 300 completions with 484 attempts/Wilson has 198 completions on 305 attempts. So Tanny has as many completions as Wilson has attempts.

Tanny has 3315 yards...Wilson has 2672 yards.

Tanny has 20 tds/14int....Wilson has 22/6

Tanny has 170 first downs...Wilson has 118.

Tanny has 38 completions of 20+ yards....Wilson has 41.

Tanny has 10 completions of 40+ yards...Wilson has 9

Actually, no he isn't ahead of Luck in every category. WR turned QB mobile Tannehill has fewer rushing yards and rushing TDs than Luck, and while you're all giddy about all those ranks, you're blind if you don't realize that, yeah, of course he has more passing yards and completions than Luck or Wilson when he's attempted more passes than either of them. Duh!

Which brings me to the other category that Tannehill is behind both of them in, and it's sort of a big one to leave out when you're trying to claim how good your QB is. Tannehill is 24th in the league in QBR, behind Luck, Wilson, Foles, and 20 other guys. You're trying to spin that a QB with as many turnovers as TDs, only a .500 team, with a QBR in the bottom third of the league is a franchise player? Laughable.

But wait, wait, wait- it gets better! Why did I bring up Luck's better rushing numbers? Because he not only has a higher QBR and better rushing numbers, but he's doing that with a WORSE pass blocking offensive line than Tannehill's! How? How can that be? Tannehill is clearly the better player according to your stats! How is that possible?? Luck's been hit more than any QB in the league and yet he has fewer fumbles, fewer INTs, more yards and scores on the ground and a better overall rating. Doesn't make any sense to me! Unless... Wait. Ok this is going to sound crazy, but hear me out/ comparing Luck (and Wilson for that matter) to Tannehill is nuts! He's no where near those guys! Talk about "football IQ!" -EK

The better Tannehill gets the more you whine and complain. Seriously. Why do you come here if it's so miserable for you?

It's not miserable, and I'm certainly not whining or complaining. You guys flat out ignore the things he does. Listening to some of you, you'd believe his numbers and play are better than Manning's this year. If you're going to point out his stellar play, be honest and point out that he nearly cost them the game Sunday. Point out that the offense with him at the helm is in the bottom third of the league, not coincidentally like his QBR. -EK

I said every PASSING category.  Learn to read!!!

you are pretty friggin miserable.  For a Panthers fan to troll a fins site and only show up after Fins losses and then be a wet blanket after Fins wins or go hide and not show up at all that=miserable!

Quarterback rating IS a passing category. It's the ultimate, all-encompassing category. So, maybe YOU should learn to read.

No matter how often you claim I don't post after a win, you're wrong. Take, for example, THIS WEEK. -EK

Just a friendly warning to our two resident back and forth club members. You are starting to tread on thin ice. Keep it on topic and cordial. I'm not quite ready to lock it up but this thread has the potential since it has just about run it's course other than bickering.

Quarterback rating is a combination of multiple passing categories. As MikeO correctly noted, Tannehill is ahead of Luck in every one of those except interceptions.

When MikeO writes that and you respond by saying "Actually, no he isn't ahead of Luck in every category. WR turned QB mobile Tannehill has fewer rushing yards and rushing TDs than Luck", you come off as a complete TROLL. And that's using a very kind word.

PFF QB Rankings this season up till this week...(just naming the guys that will interest a few on this board)

5. Wilson
8.  Brady
12. Tannehil
13. Kaepernick
16. Newton
18. RGIII
21. Luck

2012: 3,294 yards 12 TD 13 INT 76.1 QBR
2013: 3,319 yards 20 TD 14 INT 80.0 QBR (3 games to go).

Looks like he is progressing to me. I don't see how you can argue that he sucks, especially if he continues to get better year after year.

I think some people got spoiled by the recent group of QB's that killed it as rookies. Most QB's take years to develop, just look at Drew Brees. They don't really have success immediately. They have their growing pains. RG3 and Luck are having them right now in a big way. Kaepernick too regressed, albeit not as much.

If Tanny can look better in his 2nd year, I am happy. It keeps getting mentioned but not being given the gravity it deserves: LOOK AT OUR O-LINE. IT'S F'N TERRIBLE. Tanny already set the franchise mark for sacks with 5 games left in the season. This isn't a little note worthy of an asterisk, it's a gigantic story that should be taken into account for everything.

This would be true if the top QB's in the league never did this, but there is Peyton Manning doing dumb things, Tom Brady making a bad decision, Phil Rivers, Aaron Rogers, Tony Romo (making a lot more of those bad decisions then Tannehill makes) etc etc etc. You are SO obsessed with the poor plays that Tannehill makes you can't see the big picture. The Dolphins won the Pitt game largely on the strength of Tannehill's arm, DESPITE the pick 6, that's what good QB's do. Where does that come into play? For you, it doesn't, for the fan who DOESN'T have an axe to grind with Tannehill, they are able to see the good AND the bad, not just the bad. But of course I have on rose-colored glasses, so what do I know. You being the Carolina fan can see things crystal clear.

Getting "better" does not preclude a player from sucking. If a player is the 28th worst at his position one year, 26th the next, then 25th, he's progressed, but he still sucks!

@Pappy- it's interesting that you mention seeing "the good and the bad," since NO ONE in these threads seems to want admit there is any bad. That's such BS, since looking through the game threads gives a much harsher critique of Tannehill. How soon people forget that he actually isn't as great as he's made out to be. From the last two game threads- games Miami WON:

"Tanny has a problem throwing deep balls no matter who the receiver is!   Hartline had his guy beat and Tanny under threw him too!"

"Gotta be honest, I am starting to see what you guys say about Tanny's accuracy throwing deep. He missed an easy TD before by throwing it out of bounds and on that 4th and 1 play Hartline had the corner beat. He needs better accuracy and needs to know that throwing it away is better than taking a sack."

"That was all on Tanny, terrible throw."

"That 4th and goal shows exactly what I'm talking about... great time for a stretch with Miller but a bad throw by Tanny!"

"Tannehill was pretty good, although he did have a couple of really loose throws early, ate a sack and copped some hits by simply hanging on to the ball too long - you can't blame the O-line for that."

"Back to back bonehead plays for Tanny.  Gave the hand off to RB after he fell down, then led Polamu to the INT with his eyes."

"I have seen lovers make less eye contact during sex than Tanny and Polamalu on that pass. Indefensible."

"Thank goodness for Clay and Hartline!  Doesn't look like Tanny will ever learn to throw deep to Wallace... pretty much a bad signing!   Wallace is not a go up at Highest point and catch receiver... he's a run by everyone run under it guy. Tanny somehow can't seem to figure that out... he keeps under throwing."

So, when the game is actually on and people are watching it, the truth seems to come out a lot more clearly. These are not Panthers fans- these are the fans of this board and Miami. But somehow, a few days go by, and everyone else forgets that the guy is crap frequently. Apparently I'm the only one who recalls it and mentions it... Until Sunday, when he does the same thing and everyone will bitch about it again, only to mysteriously forget he sucked again by Tuesday. -EK

^^^funny how you didn't attach names to those quotes seeing as they come from the same two or three people that overreact to everything. 

I actually just didn't want to call anyone out. Nothing more. Either way the point stands. -EK

I have a hard time believing your use of "NO ONE" when you then go an provide examples to disprove your own statement. The truth of the matter is most everyone on this board falls somewhere in between MikeO & EK but you two just want to argue extremes with each other.

There are definitely things Tannehill needs to improve upon, but he definitely has potential in this league.

Wha?  You just pointed out what about a dozen different times where people DID point out the bad. Again, it's not us that has a problem, we all see that Tannehill has both strengths AND weaknesses. The problem is that your argument seems to be that a QB with weaknesses CANNOT be a franchise player. Well then, I hate to have to be the one to break it to you, but under that definition there never has been and never will be ANY franchise players. No one is claiming that Tannehill is the best QB in the league, only that he is a franchise QB. Franchise QB's still have weaknesses, they just manage to minimize them to a degree and utilize their strengths to overcome their weaknesses. I think Tannehill fits that description very well. There's still plenty of room for improvement, but if he fixes all the weaknesses that you have assigned to him, he'll be the next coming of Dan Marino, not simply a franchise QB. I may have rose colored glasses on when it comes to Tannehill, but you have blinders on.

Wake up!!! :)

I have no extreme, the troll just paints it that way. I just don't think Tannehill sucks. He is an above average QB who keeps improving and keeps getting better and who's ceiling will be around Flacco or Eli's in a few years. He will NEVER be Peyton or Brady or Brees. NEVER! I never said he would, but he isn't who the troll makes him out to be. And out of the QB's taken in Rd 1 of his draft class...Luck, RGIII, and Weeden.....Tannehill is having the best 2013 season with 3 games left to pay

Mike, I would tend to feel for you in your never ending plight towards the supposed unceasing blackness of the troll known as EK,

HOWEVER,

you are the person who starts almost every fight with him.  You keep it going through every possible thread it can possibly be continued through.  You go out of your way to drag him into any point that can be made.  You give him nothing but the "troll bait" he might need to respond (although, I don't feel he's a troll).

The dialogue between you two has nearly driven me from this site.  Please, stop it now.  If you feel the need to be the bigger man, please be that bigger man.  The constant bickering does not suit either of you. 

^^ is what it is. Sorry

OK. We had out Tannehill discussion plus. I'm shutting this down now.