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Who gets in and who doesn't?

This time around, I would love to see Maddux, Glavine, & The Big Hurt get in. But I see only Maddux & Thomas getting in this year. Glavine will eventually get in.

I think Tim Raines and Piazza deserve to get in...

It's a crime that Raines hasn't been in yet, he has had the misfortune of playing in the same era as Rickey Henderson.

As far as Piazza goes, show me a failed drug test or steroid investigation. If none exist, let him in. He was one of the greatest hitters of all-time. If he played 1B his whole career, he could've hit 600 HR easy.

I vote no on Mussina, but he is worth a brief discussion.

This would be very cool. Tim Raines is a local guy. So much that my dad and his dad, and uncles etc worked together for 30+ years and he and our brothersp grew up together. Tim even continued to play softball with us in the offseasons while playing in MLB. Always came home with some crazy stories.

I was always a fan of Piazza although I thought he had the potential to be the first guy to come out.

I'd like to see Mattingly get in.  Nine time gold glove winner and good hitter, played 13 years on some poor Yankee teams.  They only made the playoffs once during his tenure, and never made the World Series.

Piazza, Glavine, and Maddux are the ones I would like to see get in.

Chalk me up on the Raines, Piazza combo. Back in the day I was a Gary Carter fan so I liked the Expos and Raines. When Carter went to the Mets I followed him as a fan and stayed as a fan which tied me to Piazza.

I would think Piazza would be a lock. Greatest hitting catcher of all-time, imo. Most HR ever by a catcher, 12 all star appearances, 10 silver slugger awards. He may have spent most of his career playing for two teams that I can't stand (Dodgers-Mets), but his numbers are simply ridiculous.

I hope Maddux gets in as well. Best control pitcher I've ever seen on the mound. I just wish he had come to play for my beloved Padres earlier in his career.

Maddux.  That's it.

I know I'll get smoked for saying this, but this is the HOF, not the Hall of Really Good Players.  Glavine benefited from an awful lot of things over his career and hung on an awful long time to sneak over the 300 win line.  Feels fake to to me.  He was a really good pitcher, not a HOF.  I'd put in Schill before Glavin, and I'm not putting in Schill (although you do have to look at what the man did in the post season along with his 215 wins). 

I have an issue with Piazza.  Again, Hall of Fame.  Yes, he clubbed the hell out of the ball.  He would have made a great DH.  But he wasn't a DH, was he?  He was a catcher, and a bad one at that.  I'm not sure how I could completely overlook how badly the man did the majority of his job.  He swung a really good bat.  If he was a decent catcher, no problem.  He wasn't. 

Passed balls he was in the top 5 seasons.  Stolen bases allowed he was FIRST or SECOND in 12 seasons.  He ranks SEVENTH all time in this.  He allowed 76.8 percent stolen bases in his career. That's awful.  Handling a pitching staff ~ and this is in the National League ~ his pitchers were close to a 3.90 ERA. 

I wouldn't put him in, not based on offense alone. 

Just wanted to give a little bump to this thread since the selections are getting announced today. The voters do not seem to be very happy with the current process of only being able to vote for 10 players each. They would like to see unlimited votes.

I'm curious to see how the Bonds/Clemens voting goes this year. I suspect neither is going to make it on this round either but I'm curious if their votes bump much this time.

Glavine, Maddux, and The Big Hurt are in. Biggio was only 2% shy of getting in as well.  Still none of the roidheads made it.

Congrats to Maddux, Glavine, & The Big Hurt. Somebody said they'd like to see those 3 get in.

I think they should let all the roid-heads get in.  And Pete Rose.

Barroid Bonds and Roidger Clemens got less of a vote percentage this year than they did last year.

^ Yeah....but I think it's dumb.  If you played, were super famous and super good, and never got caught, you should be in.

I actually agree with that. Baseball failed to test. Not the players' fault.

I'm coming around on this.

Baseball drug use dates back to the 70's where there was basically candy jars of speed for guys to get juiced up on. Might as well let the PED guys in as well. I also agree Rose should be voted in. The HOF has allowed him to be represented in their establishment, they might as well induct him also. All or none it should be.

I would just rather put it behind you and let the guys in than sports writers trying to be retroactive sleuths to figure out who was and wasn't using.  Baseball had an era where a blind eye was turned to drugs.  Deal with it and move on.  I think it's actually worse to constantly debate it ad nauseum forever.  Or I suppose you can just shut down the hall for the next 20 years and let nobody in, but that's even worse.

OOOOR you can say who cares to the baseball HoF .. or any HoF for that matter .. big old .. who gives a rats ass. No thank you i say .. no reason to spend any money visiting them at all.

16 people didn't vote for Greg Maddux. 16 people should not have votes.

This made me laugh and then I paused because you are absolutely right.

As a Braves fan I couldn't be happier for Maddux and Glavine.  They gave us a lot of good fantastic years!! Someone said something about longevity for Glavine but if it was that easy everyone would be doing it.

I only saw Thomas play in person once. He would have made a great football player.  Funny thing was it was Spring training and Michael Jordon was playing with them. Outside of about 70lbs they were built very similar. Big guys and long arms.

The Hall voters, mainly the old ones have this belief that because Babe Ruth did not get 100% of the vote, NOBODY should get 100% of the vote. Now, it's possible that some of these votes were blank as a form of protest towards steroids or whatever, but very unlikely all 16 of them were this way.

This is why I am glad Dan LeBatard gave his vote to the Deadspin readers. The whole system is a sham and his ballot was one of the better ones.

If you were a good husband at home and treated your wife like utmost royalty but kept a mistress on the side and your wife found out about it 15 years later after if happened, should she bust you for cheating on her despite the fact that it happened in the past?

^^^ Maybe, but I'm betting she doesn't vote you into the Husband Hall of Fame...

Exactly my point.  These guys were caught after the fact, so they suffer the consequences after the fact.  You can't convict these guys in a court of law, but you can do it in a court of public opinion, which is what the Hall of Fame is.

I'm not on the side that's advocating letting the 'Roid Rangers into the Hall. Just the opposite.

I am all for Pete Rose getting in, just because betting on baseball didn't do anything to pad his stats. It was just a character flaw, an addiction, and I have no problem letting a human being with an addiction into the Hall.

Cheaters who juiced so they could hit 70 HRs in a season...no place for them in my Hall.

Flip side of the drug coin..., If a player had no-doubt Hall of Fame numbers, but had a problem with alcohol or smoking pot...I'd still let them in, because pot and alcohol aren't performance enhancers.

Pete Rose I would allow in because Pete Rose the player accomplished what he did fair and square.  It was Pete Rose the manager who made those bets.

I am placed firmly in this camp as well.

Eventually The HoF will have to start letting in some players accused of using steroids in, or as Dave said there will be no inductions for 10 or 20 years.  With some players it is fairly obvious when they started using roids, primarily late in their careers.  I think voters will eventually look at their numbers up until the point they are suspected of using roids and decide whether the pre-roids numbers justify entry into the hall.

The question is, how do you know they weren't using the entire time?

I don't know that I want to get into it, but the "cheating on my wife analogy" might be the worst, most nonsensical argument I've ever seen on this site.

Well you never know for sure.  BUT, at the same time for a great period of time during some of these players' careers steroids were not a banned substance by baseball.  So, I don't think you can penalize a player for using something that was not banned.

As a result of him revealing his ballot, Dan LeBatard has had his membership in the BBWA suspended fur a year and is banned from all future Hall Of Fame voting

^^^ That is not because he revealed his ballot. It is because he did not make the selections himself. He let Deadspin (who in turn let their readers vote) make the selections and they are not an approved voting source.