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Title: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Landshark on December 11, 2013, 02:28:32 pm
NFL.com is reporting that Kirk Cousins will start Sunday


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Dave Gray on December 11, 2013, 02:34:43 pm
Why is this a story that's eating up the top story in the national media?

More NE bullshit media bias.  RGIII is a crappy player on an irrelevant team.

You think we'd even get a blip on the radar if we sat Tannehill because our season was over?


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Phishfan on December 11, 2013, 02:46:26 pm
I disagree Dave. This is a major story as it is a continuation of the problems that have been ongoing in Washington since the pre-season. Just as Miami was all over the news for their locker room debacle Washington is as well. Their story just won't die though. This move is not about winning games, who is the better player, or who is their future. This move is nothing more than a power struggle between ownership, coaching, & RG III.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 11, 2013, 02:55:23 pm
It's a major story because of the horrible trade Washington made to get him last year (including giving up what looks to be a top 3 pick in this upcoming draft.) When you give up what Washington gave up you expect a superstar. And RGIII looks awful this year and seems to be getting worse every week.

If Cousins comes in and plays decent and has that offense moving....watch out. This story will EXPLODE!!!


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 11, 2013, 03:11:41 pm
I keep hearing that if Cousins comes in and plays well, it increases his trade potential, and nothing more. The story is about as big as it's going to get if you listen to some of the talking heads. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Sunstroke on December 11, 2013, 03:39:32 pm

Agree with both of the last two comments. Washington screwed up massively in trading the farm to get RGIII, and Cousins has the potential to play well and become a valuable trade chip to get some of that RGIII price back.

Washington gave up their 2012 1st rounder (#6 overall), their 2nd round pick in that draft (turned into Janoris Jenkins), their 2013 first rounder (#22 overall) and their first rounder for this coming draft. At this point, you have to think they wish they would have just held pat at #6 and drafted Tannehill. ;)  Or, if you want to play the 20-20 hindsight game, since Cousins appears to have some skills as a potential starting QB, they could have used that #6 overall pick on Luke Kuechly, arguably one of the top young LBs in the league, and just gone with Cousins in round 4 like they ended up doing anyway.




Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 11, 2013, 03:41:46 pm
Or drafted Luke and Wilson or Foles. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Landshark on December 11, 2013, 04:30:53 pm
It's a major story because of the horrible trade Washington made to get him last year (including giving up what looks to be a top 3 pick in this upcoming draft.) When you give up what Washington gave up you expect a superstar. And RGIII looks awful this year and seems to be getting worse every week.

If Cousins comes in and plays decent and has that offense moving....watch out. This story will EXPLODE!!!

Do you think his awfulness may have to do with him not being fully recovered from that knee injury?


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 11, 2013, 04:34:01 pm
^^ and the fact that he's been one of- if not THE- most sacked QBs in the league over his last five games. Hard for a guy with an already bad knee to look good when he's got the other team in his backfield that often. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 11, 2013, 06:08:05 pm
RG3 was the #2 overall pick and the 2012 Offensive Rookie of the Year.  Being benched (while healthy) in the middle of the following season is, indeed, a Big Deal.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 11, 2013, 07:53:19 pm
Do you think his awfulness may have to do with him not being fully recovered from that knee injury?

Nope. Sounds like an excuse to me. If he wasn't healthy he shouldn't have played Week 1 and should have come back when he was ready whether it was October, November.,..whatever. It's the same offense as last year and almost all of the same players around him. He has just played very poorly this year and there is no reason to make excuses for him


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 11, 2013, 08:00:32 pm
RG3 was the #2 overall pick and the 2012 Offensive Rookie of the Year.  Being benched (while healthy) in the middle of the following season is, indeed, a Big Deal.

Agree! This is why its a big story. The question now is whether RGIII was a one-hit wonder having one very good rookie year or can he rebound from this next season.  Being benched for poor play when healthy is a big deal for a #2 overall pick in year 2 of his career. Especially for someone who a franchise gave up a boat load of draft picks to trade up and get.

Brandon Weeden or Tim Tebow  get benched...who cares. Both are late 1st round picks who were miserable failures. Not a big news story. A team trades 2 first round picks and a 2nd round pick to move up to take a guy and less than 35 games in his career he is being benched for poor play while healthy...not good. Then on top of that being benched for a guy who was picked 2 rounds later than him in the SAME DRAFT....wow! That's a HUGE news story! And like I said, if Cousins plays well these final 3 games....that's not good for the Skins or RGIII.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 11, 2013, 09:36:10 pm
I don't think this is really even a reflection on RG3.  I think Shanahan is just trying to piss off Snyder in the hopes that Snyder fires him.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 11, 2013, 10:17:25 pm
I think RG3 came back way too early and it shows. When you return from such a disastrous injury, you have to come back 100%. He has been wearing a knee brace all year, that is far from 100%. Give him more time to heal and he may return back to where he was. If not, LOL WASHINGTON.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 12, 2013, 12:15:32 am
I don't think this is really even a reflection on RG3.  I think Shanahan is just trying to piss off Snyder in the hopes that Snyder fires him.

True, but in the process Shanahan comes off looking really bad if that is his ONLY motive. And what other owner will want to hand him the keys to the kingdom and hire him if he is acting like a child trying to piss off the owner to get fired. I think that might be a small part of it, but in reality RGIII isn't any good this year and the "injury excuse" is weak!


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Landshark on December 12, 2013, 08:29:22 am
Nope. Sounds like an excuse to me. If he wasn't healthy he shouldn't have played Week 1 and should have come back when he was ready whether it was October, November.,..whatever. It's the same offense as last year and almost all of the same players around him. He has just played very poorly this year and there is no reason to make excuses for him

From the way he is playing and the fact that hes been in a knee brace all year, that suggests he is far from healthy.  Shades of the 2006 Daunte Culpepper?


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 12, 2013, 10:04:06 am
From the way he is playing and the fact that hes been in a knee brace all year, that suggests he is far from healthy.  Shades of the 2006 Daunte Culpepper?

Then he should have never taken a snap this year. The moment he walked onto the field and said he was OK (which was Week 1 mind you) the "injury excuse" goes away!


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Cathal on December 12, 2013, 10:23:39 am
The injury excuse shouldn't go away. They probably just lied about it because the person they paid the farm for shouldn't be sitting on the side line. Look at how much people are complaining that Dion Jordan isn't playing more. Imagine if we gave up what Washington gave up for him and didn't start him in his 2nd year.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 12, 2013, 10:27:43 am
It only goes away for MikeO because if RG3 looks bad, he can tout how RT is better. Connect the dogs here people. RG3 wasn't healthy enough to take a single snap in the preseason, but he somehow magically became healthy when the regular season started? Please. Of COURSE he's not healthy. That's not even a debatable point. When you run a 4.41 40 and you're getting chased down by 300 pound linemen, you're not healthy. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 12, 2013, 10:31:00 am
Why is this a story that's eating up the top story in the national media?

More NE bullshit media bias.  RGIII is a crappy player on an irrelevant team.

You think we'd even get a blip on the radar if we sat Tannehill because our season was over?

Yes, it would be news if the Dolphins sat Tanny.  It would be less news b/c the Dolphins didn't trade 3 first round picks to get him.  But it would be news. 

Dolphin's have had there 15 minutes of fame for the season with Bullygate, then the Steelers with the new 12 man defense, now it is Washington's turn to be a crappy team in the news. 


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Fau Teixeira on December 12, 2013, 10:32:29 am
RT17 is better than RGIII . .numbers don't lie


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 12, 2013, 10:50:24 am
It only goes away for MikeO because if RG3 looks bad, he can tout how RT is better.

No need to bring Tannehill in this discussion. Has nothing to do with this topic!


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 12, 2013, 10:54:19 am
Yes, it would be news if the Dolphins sat Tanny.  It would be less news b/c the Dolphins didn't trade 3 first round picks to get him.  But it would be news. 

Dolphin's have had there 15 minutes of fame for the season with Bullygate, then the Steelers with the new 12 man defense, now it is Washington's turn to be a crappy team in the news. 

And the 15 min of fame "this season" all started with Aaron Hernandez  ;)

Back to the point, it was news when the Browns benched Weeden (ie never gave him his job back after injury). But this is totally different. RGIII has been awful this year and couldn't hit the side of a barn with a pass at times. That has little to do with his "knee" injury. He has been bad in 2013. For his sake I hope he turns it around next year.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: CF DolFan on December 12, 2013, 11:02:42 am
I think Miami actually got someone else's 15 minutes as well.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 12, 2013, 11:03:20 am
Unless you make every pass off of your back foot, you have to plant. It's irrational to believe a knee injury that hasn't fully healed would not have an effect on passing. Not only does the ACL restrict anterior translation, it limits rotation- the kind generated by the hips in a throwing motion, allowing the knee to absorb force without buckling. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: fyo on December 12, 2013, 05:15:19 pm
^ The stress of planting isn't anywhere near that of making hard cuts, however, so the effect on the mobility would be far greater.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 12, 2013, 06:16:33 pm
Absolutely, but to say that it has NO effect shows no understanding of kinesiology whatsoever. Injuries, contractures, or other pathologies of the knees affect far more than gait patterns. There's a direct link between torso rotation and lower body movement in the horizontal plane that is compromised with lower extremity injuries. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Landshark on December 12, 2013, 10:04:20 pm
EK does make a good point here, and seeing that he is a bodybuilder, I'm sure he's seen what this type of injury can do.

RGIII's entire game is based on mobility.  He's sucking because that knee isn't healthy and he isn't as mobile this year as he is last year.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 12, 2013, 10:29:33 pm
Thanks. It's less that I'm a former bodybuilder and more that I'm in school for Physical Therapy, so yes I see plenty of this. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 13, 2013, 10:56:22 am
sounds like a weak excuse. He has had a couple good games this year, so the knee didn't bother him those games? He can "plant and throw" certain weeks?! He started off the year with THREE 300 yard games to open the season. He went 24/32 on Dec 1st with no turnovers. I guess his "knee injury" comes and goes  ::)

Please, give me a break. He has had a couple good games this year and a bunch of awful ones. Using the knee injury is a weak excuse for his poor play this season. He has just been bad!


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Landshark on December 13, 2013, 11:11:17 am
sounds like a weak excuse. He has had a couple good games this year, so the knee didn't bother him those games? He can "plant and throw" certain weeks?! He started off the year with THREE 300 yard games to open the season. He went 24/32 on Dec 1st with no turnovers. I guess his "knee injury" comes and goes  ::)

Please, give me a break. He has had a couple good games this year and a bunch of awful ones. Using the knee injury is a weak excuse for his poor play this season. He has just been bad!

Apparently you're the only one who thinks this.  Anyone who watches him  can clearly see he is favoring that knee


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 13, 2013, 11:19:26 am
Apparently you're the only one who thinks this.  Anyone who watches him  can clearly see he is favoring that knee

Don't believe I am the only one who believes this.

We can agree to disagree.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Phishfan on December 13, 2013, 12:43:21 pm
As with most things in life it is not entirely one or the other.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Pappy13 on December 13, 2013, 01:27:21 pm
Apparently you're the only one who thinks this.  Anyone who watches him  can clearly see he is favoring that knee
I don't think him favoring the knee completely explains everything. I'm sure it's contributing. How much is the question. Will he be back to his rookie season form when he gets completely healed? Will he ever be completely healed? Those are questions that remain to be answered, I don't think they are foregone conclusion.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 15, 2013, 04:10:59 pm
Kirk Cousins for 381 yards and 3 TD's......obviously its not the "talent around the QB"


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: fyo on December 15, 2013, 05:50:10 pm
Kirk Cousins for 381 yards and 3 TD's......obviously its not the "talent around the QB"

And 2 INTs. Seems disingenuous to leave that out.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 15, 2013, 05:51:02 pm
And 2 INTs. Seems disingenuous to leave that out.

When you have 381 yards and 3 TD's......you can live with the 2 INT's


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Sunstroke on December 15, 2013, 06:05:55 pm

If you're a QB getting your first start of the season, the Vikings 27th ranked pass defense is a good match-up to draw...

Still an impressive outing, but he was feasting on cupcakes. ;)



Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 15, 2013, 06:07:46 pm
If you're a QB getting your first start of the season, the Vikings 27th ranked pass defense is a good match-up to draw...

Still an impressive outing, but he was feasting on cupcakes. ;)



He played Atlanta


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Sunstroke on December 15, 2013, 06:15:56 pm

^^^ You're right, brainfart leaked from my ears there. Please replace the Vikings 27th ranked pass defense in my original statement with the Falcons 20th ranked pass defense, and change cupcakes to ho-ho's...



Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 22, 2013, 09:19:15 am
Looks like Dan Snyder wants to hire RGIII's old head coach from Baylor Art Briles

Briles says he has no interest, but he has to say that since this is college recruiting season with signing day a little over a month away. He can't say he is leaving Baylor.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 26, 2013, 09:28:49 am
Kirk Cousins for 381 yards and 3 TD's......obviously its not the "talent around the QB"

197 yards 1 TD and 1 INT against the #31 pass defense in the league. Maybe it's IS the "talent around the QB." -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 26, 2013, 09:36:49 am
197 yards 1 TD and 1 INT against the #31 pass defense in the league. Maybe it's IS the "talent around the QB." -EK

  ??? Makes no sense you painting that as a bad game.

By the way they also ran for over 100 yards in the game, Cousins was 7-16 on 3rd downs, and he convereted 10 first downs by pass. Hardly a bad game as you are trying to paint it out to be. They had 10 total drives which 5 ended in "points." Not to mention that game vs Dallas was also played in the rain and not good passing conditions....just sayin



Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 29, 2013, 04:04:22 pm
More great play from Cousins today- 124 yards no TDs and an INT with 4 minutes left. God he's awful. And with all that talent around him. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 29, 2013, 04:05:39 pm
Yep...2 good games, 1 bad game.

Point is he is no better or worse than RGIII and they got Cousins in Rd 4 and didn't need to trade a boat-load of picks to get him. Never said Cousins is Peyton Manning....but he is better than RGIII or equal at worse. Which is he is!


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: EKnight on December 29, 2013, 04:09:52 pm
Yep...2 good games, 1 bad game.

Point is he is no better or worse than RGIII and they got Cousins in Rd 4 and didn't need to trade a boat-load of picks to get him. Never said Cousins is Peyton Manning....but he is better than RGIII or equal at worse. Which is he is!

Funny how no one on the planet but you thinks that, but w/e. -EK


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 29, 2013, 04:10:46 pm
Funny how no one on the planet but you thinks that, but w/e. -EK

Mike Shanahan with 2 Super Bowl rings seem to agree with me. He got himself fired over it for telling the owner exactly what I am saying


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 29, 2013, 04:17:23 pm
Point is he is no better or worse than RGIII and they got Cousins in Rd 4 and didn't need to trade a boat-load of picks to get him. Never said Cousins is Peyton Manning....but he is better than RGIII or equal at worse. Which is he is!
A healthy RG3 was ROTY (over Luck and Wilson, mind you).  There is no indication that Cousins has anywhere near that kind of ability.


Title: Re: Skins shut down RGIII for 2013
Post by: MikeO on December 29, 2013, 04:18:48 pm
A healthy RG3 was ROTY (over Luck and Wilson, mind you).  There is no indication that Cousins has anywhere near that kind of ability.

We will see. When Snyder hires the Baylor head coach and gives RGIII everything he wants, his old ofefnse and what not. No excuses then!! NO EXCUSES!!!

Like I said, Shanhan lost his job (and probably his career cause nobody will hire him now) over it. He must feel pretty damn strongly about it.