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Interesting story. How long do you think it will be before they find wreckage or signs of an impact?

A long time.  I'm willing to bet money they flew into the ocean and I don't think it would more than a few minutes for an airplane to sink.

I think they're all trapped on a strange deserted island where a large, black smoke roams...

The odd thing is some of the families are saying their cell phones are still ringing. This means the plane is still intact and water hasn't gotten in or ....

I just read something very interesting. Apparently the co-pilot and his pilots have a history of pulling women out of the queue and bringing them into the cock pit for the flight. This girl said they pulled her and her friend out and let them ride up front which is strictly forbidden by the airlines. 

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I am puzzled by this whole thing.  It would seem that water would be the most likely scenario, but even then, things float.  I find it hard to believe that a plane can crash in the water and stay fully intact, while simultaneously killing everyone on board.  If it breaks apart, so many things in there float and you'd have a ton of debris.

^^^That is why I think explosion is more likely. #1 it doesn't allow time for distress signals (and there were none) #2 it spreads out the debri so it is not in clumps and is harder to find

I think that explosion would be easier to find, since the debris would be scatted over a larger area.  I imagine that crashing into the ocean is  most likely and that they never made a distress signal because they were busy trying to right the plane.

^^ And someone would have seen an explosion...?

What if the plane didn't break up?  What if they tried to land it on water like that guy did on the Hudson a few years back, but maybe it broke into large chunks and sunk?  I can't believe that no one has sent a submarine in yet...?

Also, the story about 4 fake passports being used to get on board is intriguing.  There must be a link...

Who is seeing an explosion over the water? The plane should have been at about 30K feet when it disappeared. That type of scatter is tougher to find than a solid plane hitting the water and leaving debri in a concentrated area.

Also, where did you hear four passports? Someone else mentioned that yesterday but the stories I and a friend had heard were two. Seems there may be a lot of variations depending on the sources.

The two passports appear to be unlinked.  They know who has them, but they think they are two guys that are trying to emigrate out of the country.

I agree with Phishfan had to be a near instantaneous event.  The first thing any pilot will do is send a distress signal, and it takes a while for a plane to fall from cruising altitude to the water. 

Either explosion or complete system failure that even wiped out all backup systems on the radio.  No way the pilots spend a minute of two trying to control the airplane without bothering to flick the distress signal button. 

I was reading an article recently that said exactly the opposite of this.  It said that pilots are trained to focus solely on correcting problems with the aircraft and not to report to the ground.  It said that it is not at all uncommon in these types of accidents for 100% of the pilot's attention to be focused on getting the plane not to crash and that there is nothing odd at all about there being no distress call.

They weren't even looking in the right spot.  The plane was hundreds of miles off course.

They were not only looking in the wrong place but if reports are true it was flying the other way. It's sounding more and more like a hijacking. With the phones still operating the people could possibly still be alive. This is turning into a movie. I really feel for the family and friends dealing with this.

This is really strange....they took a hard left and looks like they flew back over Malaysia in the strait of Malacca. The whole search has been going on in the wrong place. They could have gone into the Indian Ocean, and if that happened I don't think they ever find it.

I definitely think they will find it.  If it's in the water, then it means that there are thousands of floating objects that will eventually be released and wash up somewhere.  That evidence will help narrow the search.  It might take a while, but they'll get there.

^^ why do you assume there are thousands of floating objects?  You're assuming that a tubular item designed to be aerodynamic and have almost zero drag is not possible to nose dive into water without breaking into a million pieces?

It won't need to be a thousand pieces of plane.  But if there's any hole at all, with currents and the elements degrading the hull, there are tons of things in a plane that float, from bags of peanuts to people's clothing to seat cushions to luggage to whatever else.

I think that the chances of this staying a perfectly sealed time capsule underwater is relatively slim.  Eventually, things will wash up and form some kind of pattern that will narrow the search more and more.

^^^^ Yes, eventually some stuff will float.  Most of it will be really small stuff in a really big body of water and hard to spot.  The big stuff is made of metal and will sink. 

The oil slick should be visible

I wasn't thinking that they'd necessarily spot the debris, but that it would start to wash up on shore, forming a pattern based on currents, which could then be tracked back to narrow search area.

I think in situations like this you have to consider all possibilities.  I read that they were even considering that it was hit by a meteor.

I think there's a possibility (probably unlikely) that the plane is intact and there would be no debris.

I think there's a possibility that the plane could have landed somewhere, but there would need to be an explanation of why it went off radar.

I heard on the radio that there's some web site where you can view real-time satellite photos of the region and they are asking people to search for debris.

Aliens

I've been waiting for this one to pop up.

Ya me too. Surprised no one had gotten to it yet.

Twilight Zone

http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/malaysiaairsar2014?source=malaysia

AP Newswire is reporting that the missing plane was sending out signals four hours after it dropped off the radar.  That means it was either still flying or fully operational during that time.

^^^ I heard that and it is another case of mixed up stories. The initial reports were the plane had about two hours of fuel left when it disappeared and now they are saying it may have flown for four hours???

Maybe they flew really slow? They cut the engines and coasted during the downhill parts?

Maybe the aliens had them in a tractor beam? ;)

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OR MAYBE in a rush to report the story...various media outlets have reported incomplete information, speculated on stuff or simply made up stuff b/c they had nothing else to report resulting in conflicting stories....nah...that never happens...lets go with the tractor beam theory...much more plausible.   

The signal from the transponder stopped. For the following 9 minutes, the plane was still visible on radar (after which it disappeared).

It's not clear when the engine data (ASCARS) stream stopped. It did not continue for 4 hours or whatever, as some media outlets reported. It appears that a few "pings" or fragments were received from the ASCARS system hours later, but no data. The latter is significant, because the ASCARS data includes altitude, velocity and position.

Now, the transponder can be turned off manually from the cockpit, so that opens up the speculation about hijacking. On the other hand, it apparently takes about 6 minutes for a plane to "crash" from the altitude the Malaysian Airlines flight had, so 9 minutes doesn't appear totally unreasonable if they suffered some sort of massive failure (electronic, bomb, meteor, whatever).

The latest official report from Malaysia is that they consider it a hijacking.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-more-sinister-theories-still-no-answers-in-search-for-missing-plane/
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-pilot-profiles/
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/15/malaysia-airlines-search-heads-toward-indian-ocean/

Hey, something I actually know something about. It's ACARS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Communications_Addressing_and_Reporting_System) and my understanding of the system is that it doesn't constantly transmit data anyway. We get ACARS data before and after takeoff, when the aircraft reaches it's highest altitude and just before and after landing. Now I don't know if all ACARS works that way, but that's how it works at Southwest. So when they say they got a few "pings" it probably means that the system was active but not sending data. Also my understanding is that ACARS would not really be of that much help to them. It's mostly used by SWA to estimate fuel consumption, determine maintenance schedules and stuff like that. Now I believe that ACARS can do a lot more then that, but I somehow kinda suspect that Malyasia doesn't use all the fancy stuff that ACARS can do especially since Southwest doesn't. Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Now for some pure conspiracy conjecture on my part, seeing as how we get data before and after landing and they said they got some "pings", could it be that the aircraft landed?  :o

(No idea why I inserted an S in ACARS... the article and news show I had it from wrote it correctly... maybe it's a NASCAR thing)

Malaysian Airlines has a service contract with engine manufacturer Rolls-Royce and the leaked ACARS stuff came from them, not Malaysian Airlines.

Anyway, the latest "news" is that the ACARS system was sabotaged while still over Malaysia (well before the transponder was turned off).

There's also confirmation of the "news" that Malaysian military detected what they believe (but are not certain) was flight MH370 well to the west of Malaysia (contact was lost to the east of Malaysia, 300+ miles away) more than 4 hours later.

Those two pieces of "news" have been repeated by Malaysian officials and a criminal investigation has been launched (including raids of the pilots' homes).