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1) RTP as I said earlier

2) PI

both of these penalties are so subjective and change the outcome of games unfairly

How to reform them, I don't know exactly.

Any ideas?

A proposal to make personal fouls reviewable was defeated narrowly last owners' meeting. With a year of reviews in NFL Command Center under their belt, it could pass next time. Reportedly, support for it has increased since it failed to pass.

I say make everything reviewable.  Keep it at 2 flags and a 3rd if you get the 1st 2, won't extend the game

^ I don't even like the 3rd if you get the first two.

I think you should only be charged a flag if you get the call INCORRECT.   You should be able to challenge as much as you want if you're right.  1 incorrect call PER HALF?  Something like that?

So, if you get a shitty officiating crew, the game could last 5 hours...

Yup and the NFL should then take action against said shitty crew for making the game last so long.  Sorry, I'm more of a fan of "get it right" than "do it fast"

I'm all for speeding this stuff up, but that's through technology.  In my opinion, there should be a ref in the booth with monitors all around, in direct contact with guys on the field.  Challenge flag, guy in the booth say "nope, his foot was out", move on.

I find it odd that a very simple challenge (like an obvious foot out-of-bounds) takes the same amount of time as a complicated one that requires multiple angles.  It's like they treat it as a timeout.

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Only 1 rule needs to be changed. That is each team gets 2 reviews....and you can review everything! Belichick has it right and that's how it should be.

This notion that every scoring play and every turnover needs to be reviewed is bullshit. Slows the games down. Give each team 2 and if you get one right then you get a 3rd. How you manage your reviews are up to you but everything isn't going to be reviewed so use them wisely.  Pass Interference is easily reviewable this notion it can't be reviewed is just nonsense.

At the very least...the very least....make PI calls of over 25 yards reviewable. I mean you get a bad call on a 40 or 50 yard pass with PI and it changes the whole game. So even if they don't make everything reviewable at least make big pass plays (whether 25 or 30 yards) reviewable.

That does happen. But they are NYC headquarters not in the stadium which makes it even better. They got the system right, make the big shots in NYC make the challenge calls not some old ref in a stadium with bad equipment. The system isn't wrong the rules are horrible. Too many rules

I agree that everything should be reviewable and if you keep winning you keep getting to use your two challenges. If the officiating sucks then action will be taken against them. Shouldn't be that bad.

Maybe not have PIs be spot fouls

Maybe half the distance fouls

half the distance of what?  ::)

They either have to stay as they are or be a 15 yard penalty like college.

the spot of the pass

That doesn't even make sense. The spot of the pass is where the QB throws it. The spot of the foul/penalty ........whatever. It makes no sense what you are saying

Let's say it would normally be a 40 yard penalty under today's rules

cut that in half so it's just a twenty yard penalty.

Was-Philly game today.  RIDICULOUS RTP call 

In college that might work but with professionals it wouldn't. Teams would teach it and use it as a tool to just tackle a guy who beats the defender badly. Take the small penalty instead of the big play. Just make the PI reviewable and keep it a spot foul.

If you make judgement calls like PI and holding reviewable, the game will quickly grind to a halt.

No it won't. Because teams will ONLY have 2 challenges a game. So they can't challenge everything. Once your done with your 2 challenges that's it you can't challenge anymore. So who cares if they challenge a PI or or whether a guy stepped out of bounds or the spot of the ball. They need to get rid of the booth reviews under 2 minutes, all scoring plays and turnovers are automatically reviewed, get rid of all of that and just give each coach 2 challenges and let them challenge what they want, but that's it only 2. And if you get them right you get no more, you just get your 2. It will speed everything up

It will absolutely guarantee that every team uses every available challenge every game, which will have an impact.

And if you don't give a coach more challenges when every one he has was successful, then you are opening up the same old can of worms that got replay brought back in the first-place: a bad call that no one can do anything about.  It's one thing when you can blame the coach because he made a bad challenge, but if the coach is challenging successfully and he runs out, what does that say about the officiating?

also get rid of taunting, the stupidest penalty in the history of all sports

It's the best rule. Guys make a 4 yard catch then go into a 2 minute dance routine. Gotta take that crap out of the game

Nope.  The standard for an overrule would still be irrefutable with -- judgement calls that would make overturning them very difficult and most challenges would be lost even more often than with current rules that are challenged.   

Say with PI or holding the replay judge standard would not be does the replay judge consider it to be holding or PI but that the original ref would have to be fucking nuts to consider that PI or holding.  E.g. if a flag was thrown and the tape clearly shows that the player tripped on his own with zero contact from the defender would it likely be overturned. 

Then what's the point?

The number of PI calls with zero defender contact is insignificant.  If, in every other case, you defer to the judgement of the official, what difference would it make from the current system?

Officials can already huddle together and pick up flags in the case of egregiously wrong judgement calls.

The point is they can look at tape to determine if an egregious call was made

I would tend to say that there are clear, indisputable holding calls (as the rule is written, not as it is commonly enforced) on nearly every play, and that instant replay of judgement calls would make it extremely difficult not to throw flags on them.

Except that they don't call it then, they call it after big plays.

So stupid a penalty?  Taunting?  What's next?  Not being professional enough?

Yeah, that's called Unsportsmanlike Conduct, and it's been around for a while.

Those are not the same thing.

Let me rephrase it to make my point better.

What's next, a penalty for not helping the guy up and checking to see if he is injured and asking how his wife and kids are doing?

I think this is one of those situations where you're not really in touch with reality, because unsportsmanlike conduct and "not being professional" actually are the same thing.


Now I understand...you're just trying to be silly.

No I am not actually.

I was watching the steelers-chiefs game on Sunday and the Steelers made a huge sack but one of their players got penalized for "Taunting"

I don't like the idea of something so subjective and non-impactful to the play to have a huge impact on the game.

Take care of that in the league office, if you must, but let the action ON THE FIELD determine the outcome.

Then don't taunt! Make the sack, walk off the field. No need to do a dance routine and start talking smack!

Does the NFL rulebook even define the difference between taunting and celebrating?

It's not pornography vs art.  You know it when you see it.

Yes, actually, you are...


Exactly...be a better sport, or...wait for it, dolphins4life...be "less unsportsmanlike."

Taunting gives refs too much control over the game and leaves it open to corruption.  A ref could invent a reason for taunting and throw a flag if he wanted to

And I am not being silly.  If I was being silly I would have used a silly face emoticon after my posts

It's totally silly. Don't taunt and you wont' get called for taunting. Don't showboat. don't act like a jerk, just make a play stand up and go back to the huddle

I'd like to see the playoffs reseeded so that 11-win teams from tough divisions (Arizona for instance) don't play on the road against 7-win teams that were the least crappy of four crappy teams from a crappy division (Carolina, obviously).

And review personal fouls. AND MAKE IT QUICK. The reviews as a whole take too long. But too many defenders get hosed on phantom helmet-to-helmet hits just because they're contact with the WR's pads makes a loud sound. Review it and get it right.