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Rex and Idzik fired in NY

Mike Smith fired in Atlanta

Waiting on news from Chicago and Oakland as to what they will do. I don't see a lot of openings this year. Also keep an eye on Buffalo,...new owner there and never know what a new owner will do.

Bears fired GM Phil Emery and HC Marc Trestman

Buffalo fans continue to be reallllyy unhappy with the offensive play calling.  I could see their OC, and perhaps Marrone gone.

Bill's QB Kyle Orton retired.  Out of the blue he just up and retired.  Going out on a win over the Pats in Foxboro, good for him.

Marrone took the OC he hired at Syracuse with him to Buffalo. There is a tight tie there.  And don't be fooled, Marrone is calling those plays and he is using his little buddy as the OC in name only. That's is his boy, I don't see him firing him. Marrone doesnt appear to be trouble but with a new owner you never know. And Doug has a 3 day out starting today I believe where he can leave the Bills if he wants and go to another team. So if a team reaches out to him super quick he could bolt and it would be on the up and up.


Not a shock he retired last year in Dallas. He was talked into playing this year.

I think Marrone has done a pretty good job. The team has a great defense but very little on offense outside of Watkins. He deserves to stay.

Doug Marrone just used his opt out with the Bills. Bills searching for a head coach now

I think this is a dumb move of Marrones part.  I hate to admit this, but the Bills are a QB and another WR away from being elite. Is any NFL team better than the Bills going to offer him a head coaching job?  The only thing I can think is the Bills told him he's gone either way and he can leave on his own terms.

My friend is a diehard Bills fan, and he told me that Marrone held out for a 4 year extension and wasn't given one, so he left. He already has 2 years left, so that would make it a 6 year deal. If true, that's insane. Does Belichick even have that?

The Bills are the best team now who needs a head coach(something we should be saying about Miami). Looks like a backwards move, so I can only assume this is about the money.

Does Belichick even need a contract to be certain that he will have a coaching job until he decides to retire.  NEP could go 0-16 in 2015, and BB wouldn't be fired but given another chance in 2016. 

He had to leave. $4 million to opt out pay out plus the new owner wouldn't commit to him. The new owner is hiring Bill Polian and firing Marrone's GM and entire front office. Doug would have been kept on 1 year and THEN fired. So Doug left them before they could fire him. Doug had no choice. And I would be stunned if Marrone isn't announced as Atlanta's next head coach within a week.

With the $4 mill he gets from the Bills and whatever his new team pays him he will be the "highest paid coach" in the NFL for 2015 with it all lumped together

Maybe the second-best...

Atlanta and SF are better jobs than Buffalo. Bills don't even have a 1st round pick this year nor do they have a QB

Not saying the Bills are in great shape, but the Falcons just had two bad seasons in a row while Buffalo gained 3 wins and ended at 9-7. Yeah, they have no QB but neither do the Niners.

Is it really better to take over a team with a winning record?

If last year the team went 9-7, then fans and the owner aren't going to give you 3 years to make the playoffslike they would if you are taking over a 3 win team

Atlanta is NOT in a division with Brady and Belichick and the talent pool is better in Atlanta I don't care what the records say. Buffalo has no QB and no 1st round pick. Atlanta has Matt Ryan, Julio Jones, and Roddy White. All anyone would have to do is fix the defense down there.

The Bills went 9-7 in the 2nd or 3rd weakest division in the league. The 49ers went 8-8 in the toughest division in the league, despite having up to 6 pro bowl players missing at a time and a full-blown soap opera going on between coach and front office. Kaepernick, while having a bit of a step-back season, is still better than any QB on the Bills roster.

I like what the Bills are doing with their team...but to say they have a better team than the 49ers is just ridiculous.

As far as the 49ers coaching situation goes... If I was dropping a dollar on a prop bet, my money would be on SF naming Vic Fangio head coach, promoting Jim Tomsula from D-line coach to DC and hiring a new offensive coordinator.

I think your right on SF.

I think Marrone ends up  in Atlanta. I think Rex in Oakland OR is on TV. I think Frank Reich ends up in Buffalo. And Chicago I have no clue but Mike Shannhan is a dark horse there

A report on SF Gate yesterday noted that SF had given permission for Washington to interview their secondary coach, Ed Donatell, for the Skins' DC position. They didn't give permission for Washington to interview Fangio for that same position. The report speculated that, if Fangio got the 49ers head coaching gig, it would be Donatell, rather than Tomsula, who would become the 49ers DC.

As eager as I am to see who SF hires as their HC, I am probably more concerned with who will get the OC position. We need a creative play-caller in the worst way.

Neither of those statements are accurate, based on win-loss record.

Division records, in order:

1. AFCN 38-25-1
2. NFCW 37-27
3. NFCN 35-29
t4. AFCE 33-31
t4. AFCW 33-31
6. NFCE 32-32
7. AFCS 25-39
8. NFCS 22-41-1

Both of my statements were true, as only a supreme idiot (doesn't fit you) or someone using statistical sleight of hand (fits you like a glove) would use basic win-loss record to assess divisional strength. That's why there's this thing called "strength of schedule," which the NFC West easily had the most difficult rating, while the AFC North, the team you would champion as the best division by record, had the easiest.

If my math is right this is the strength of schedule for each division in order.
 
AFC West  0.529
NFC West  0.527
AFC East  0.521
NFC North  0.489
AFC South  0.487
NFC South  0.486
NFC East  0.486
AFC North     0.476

Link to source?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/standings/_/type/playoffs/sort/conferenceRank/order/false (http://espn.go.com/nfl/standings/_/type/playoffs/sort/conferenceRank/order/false)

Well Sagarin is a well respected stastical analysis of the NFL that does use strength of schedule in it's analysis and it has the AFCE as the 3rd rated division in the NFL (right behind the NFCW), so I wouldn't exactly call it sleight of hand to think that maybe you're not quite being impartial in this particular case.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/sagarin/

^^^ My "statistical sleight of hand" comment was directed specifically at Spidey for trying to use basic win-loss as the ultimate indicator of divisional strength. I'll admit that I probably didn't give the AFC East its proper due when I called it the "3rd weakest division" in the league. That slip was probably due to my complete lack of respect for the Jets...

^^For what it's worth I agree that the 49'ers are a better team than the Bills.  :)

Could get ugly fast in Buffalo.  In addition to the above, Polian has said he is not going to take a job with the Bills.  The current GM is said to be leading the search for a new coach, so he'll probably stick around; but the new head coach is going to report directly to Pegula.  Also, rumors that Def. Coordinator Jim Schwartz may leave for a HC gig if he doesn't get the HC job @ Buffalo.

Easy to understand why Marrone opted out.

As mentioned, even by strength of schedule you're still wrong.  The NFC West is not the strongest division and the AFC East is nowhere near the "2nd or 3rd weakest."

That's a shame too...I think Marrone is a quality coach.

Don't know if this was brought up here. But when Kyle Orton "retired" after the season, the way he did it was sleezy. He walked into the team facility told people he had to go into a meeting, so he wouldn't have to talk to anyone and blew them off. Then he walked to his locker grabbed his wallet and left the facility without telling anyone. Then announced he was retiring from home and never spoke to anyone on the team.

Buffalo is a mess. Organization is a train-wreck

Normally, that would be pretty sketchy.  But he came out of retirement to play in the first place, so I can't really fault the guy.

The way that Kyle Orton decides to retire is not a reflection on the organization. They had no control over that. Would Buffalo look better today had Kyle Orton talked to Buffalo and had them setup a press conference announcing his retirement? No. They still are without a starting QB either way.

YES.....It would be much better!! Sounds like everyone leaves the organization running away. Doug didn't talk to his team and sent them a mass text after the news had already broke and everyone knew and he was badmouthing the organization to Polian while he was under contract and before he "officially left." Orton lied to his teammates faces, walked by them, and left the building through the back door without talking to anyone and letting him know he is retiring. It's chaos. Its a dysfunctional organization when people feel like its OK to lie and run away without telling anyone

I worded that question poorly. What I should have said is "Would Buffalo be better today had Kyle Orton talked to Buffalo and had them setup a press conference announcing his retirement?" Did you think Miami was a dysfunctional organization when players were verbally abusing each other and had players walking out on the team last year? The organization is to blame when people feel like that's OK? There's a big difference between perception and reality.

Yes. Yes. and Yes! When the organization is dysfunctional players think this behavior is ok. Orton should have told the organization he was retiring before it went public. Sorry. You can't teach class...some have it and some don't. Right now the Bills organization is lacking class from top to bottom.

Then we agree to disagree. Even excellent organizations sometimes employ classless people. I grew up believing people were responsible for their own actions. I don't know if that's just a generational thing or simply how I was brought up but it does seem to be quite different from a lot of people's perspective these days. If your position is that any team with someone capable of doing something classless is dysfunctional then 100% of NFL teams are dysfunctional, not just the Bills. The only difference between the Bills, Miami and everyone else is time.

Rex getting a 2nd interview with the Bills

Looks like he is staying in the AFC East

Fox next to go?

Let's say you wanted to get rid of Fox. Who would you replace him with?

There just don't seem to be a lot of quality head coaching candidates available right now. Even Kubiak turned down offers to interview and is staying in Baltimore.

And, yes, I realize the media is filled with speculation about Denver's OC taking over from Fox. That would make for a strange move, IMHO.

It is pretty rare to fire a coach in a season in which the team wins the division.

Jon Fox FIRED by Denver

It might be but it happened this year.  Fox has been let go by Denver.

What I have read it was mutual

ha, yeah and I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya

"Mutually agreed to part ways" is NFL doublespeak for fired.

Adam Gates would seem to be the logical new Head Coach, if Peyton was to continue on next season.

Elway fired the entire coaching staff, told every assistant they are free to look for work elsewhere he doesn't want them. If they can't find work he will deal with their contracts later. 

I have a guess that Kubiak or one of the Shannahan's to Denver will happen since he and Elway are tight.  Fox to Chicago. Del Rio to Raiders. And Gase will find a job with someone somewhere as an OC

SF hires Tomsula as their head coach

The Jags hired Doug Marrone as an offensive line coach.

L-O-FRIGGING-L

Talk about overplaying your hand. He must've used the N-word on his Jets interview while asking for $50 Million a year. Complete disaster for him.

^^^ I'm sure it's not the way he saw things going, but he'll eventually get another HC job, he could be a very good HC.  He really turned around Syracuse's football program, and he did some good things in Buffalo.

He has a big ego and quitting an NFL job might be tough to live down for him in the eyes of many around the league. He might be a career assistant at this point

Agree completely...I expect he'll be an NFL HC again within the next 2-3 years.