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Will feature both of the head coaches hired by Robert Kraft. 

Don't care for Kraft and those two coaches, but have to give it to them all for simply knowing how to build a team  that knows how to win year in year out.  Crazy jealous, rooting for our team that's still so far away from becoming a team like the Pats.  Sick to my stomach, just thinking of Ross, Philbin and co. steering the ship for yet another 8-8 season!

I just find it bit odd more isnt being made of the fact Carrol was fired and replaced by BB.

I have heard more discussion about RR facing the Jets, than Carroll facing Ne

I see more about the "U MAD BRO?" rematch between Brady and Sherman than about the Carroll/BB/Kraft angle.

Has Pete Carrol been caught cheating in the NFL too? That could be another angle.

If you're not cheating, you're not trying.

Frankly, I think this ball deflating stuff is a bunch of bunk. 

Here is what I don't "get."  Apparently it was D'Qwell Jackson who "noted" the ball difference after picking off Brady.  He then brought the ball attention to the official, or however it was handled at that point.

Uh, the score at that point was 14-0 - the Colts came down and scored making it 14-7.  NE went on to throttle Indy AFTER that.

I think a lot of people like to drum up a lot of crap.  This, IMHO, is "a lot of crap."

Ravens didn't lose because ne out played them, ravens lost because ne CHEATED with an in eligible reciver.

colts didn't lose bc ne out played them, colts lost bc ne CHEATED because a football lost some air. 

For the record I haven't seen anyone say they could only win by cheating ... just that they are under investigation for cheating. Considering their history of being caught cheating many people feel where there is smoke there is likely fire.

Once, for filming from the wrong location something that was in plain view of thousands. And something BB never denied doing.  His defense was "I thought it was legal"

Was their some sort of conspiracy to let the air of a ball?  NO. Is it possible that one ball leaked some air?  Sure.  Keep in mind that at least one ref (typically more than one) handles the ball between each play, so if the ball felt significantly different a ref would have noticed.

Maine, what does it matter when it was discovered? The ball was apparently under inflated as NE scored those 14 just as it was when they went on to "throttle" Indy. I don't get your point. NE played with the same balls all day so what does it matter when it was discovered? Cheating is cheating.

Now I do agree that if you aren't giving a little tug of a jersey you aren't really trying but if you get caught you have to pay the consequences. Anyone who has ever played football in cold and rainy or even snowy weather knows a ball with less air pressure is easier to grip. That is why there is a rule on how much air pressure there should be.

This would hold water if it had been discovered by a ref while handling the ball but it wasn't.

how did nep pull this off without the refs who handle the ball ever noticing?  It is not like the receiver gives the ball directly to the center.

ref holds the ball notices nothing places it on the ground for the center.  Center snaps ball, brady throws jackson catches ball to colts equipment manager, who gives it to ref.

Possibilities:

1. Ne deflated ball AND ref is totally incompetent.

2. Ball lost air pressure between ball being spotted and end of play

3. Colts equipment manager defeated ball or swapped balls hoping for an in game penalty against ne.

I am going with #2 slow leak, changing air temp, ball being spiked hard by defender.

Did you seriously quote me with a questing then proceed to quote your own question and answer it?  :o

I meant to quote this

Here is where it really gets weird in interviews before this happened, Brady has on multiple occasions said he find it easier to grip a ball that is overinflated rather under, so he tells the equipment manager to make sure they are at the max legal pressure not the minimum.   Brady gets snapped an under inflated ball and throws an int. 

This matchup doesn't really interest me all that much.  I'm kind of sick of both franchises.  It's villain vs. villain.  Bellichek and Carroll are both unlikeable and douchey.  Neither team is worth rooting for.

^^ Agree wholeheartedly.  Had a similar feeling about the entire playoffs.  I have watched probably 5 or 6 hours of TOTAL postseason football.

Seems to be the general sentiment. I can't remember the last time I felt this way.

I don't hate the Patriots like a lot of us do, but Bellichek's cheating and douchery is catching up with me.  It's so hard to like a guy that just seems like a miserable dick of a human being.  Even if cheating doesn't result in the wins (because I think his team is better anyway), he seems to always get caught with his hand in the cookie jar. 

The Seahawks, on the other-hand, are embarrassing.  ...crying and screaming that everyone counted them out.  Meanwhile, they're the defending champs and a 7 point favorite at home.  And played abysmally.

On one hand, I think I just want the Pats to win, because we all know they're good, so one more title doesn't really change anything.  On the other hand, I find it a little warming that they haven't won in 10 years, since this spygate stuff broke.  It seems like they're dominating the NFL, but they haven't been able to seal the deal.  It would be nice to see that continue. 

Meh....at least I'll see some good friends, have a beer, get fat, and play squares.

Go Seahawks!

Blasphemer!

I totally get the feeling on uninterest in the game though. I was thinking it earlier myself.

I don't want either team to win, but I'll pick the Patriots for the following reasons:

1) I still hate Carroll from when he was a coach with the Jets and made the choke sign when playing against the fins.

2) If the Patriots win, then next year some teams try a little harder against them knowing they are the reigning champs.

and most importantly..

3) the last two times the Patriots won the Super Bowl I won $1300.00 in a pool.

The Patriots legacy is already pretty cemented.  They have kicked our ass for a decade, they have one of the best coaches and QB ever in the game.  It is what it is.

Them winning another title doesn't change anything.

But there's a little bit of AFC pride in there, too.  The Patriots are assholes...but they're our assholes.

I'm just wondering how many Super Bowls Brady would have to lose before he's considered a choker.  4?  5?

you don't see much of that type of thinking with pro teams, but often you get that with college teams.

I don't understand it at all. I don't root for hated rivals.

Part of it is that, as Dave said, whether NE wins or loses they will still be fellated by the media as demigods (based on achievements from a decade ago).  So if the media is going to slobber over Brady and Belichick no matter what, then at least an NE win makes the "the AFC East is the worst division in football" clowns shut up.

NOT SO FAST.... http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/brady-said-in-2011-he-likes-deflated-footballs/

So now we have conflicting reports on this ... wow!  Meanwhile greenbay qb has admitted to cheating by over inflating on national tv and no investigation

I don't see how its conflicting at all. Can you provide a source saying he likes game balls over-inflated?

When did a "greenbay qb admit to cheating on national tv"?

I only know of a retired NYG QB claiming that another QB told him blahblah.

http://espn.go.com/boston/story/_/id/12202450/nfl-says-new-england-patriots-had-inflated-footballs-afc-championship-game

ESPN reporting 11 of the 12 Patriots balls were under-inflated. This should cost the Pats a draft pick or two

Not surprised one bit. 

No it doesn't. They can easily be the champs but from the worst division  (not that I think it is). One team does not make up for the others that much.

Serial cheaters. 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/report-nfl-found-11-of-12-patriots-footballs-under-inflated/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/report-nfl-found-11-of-12-patriots-footballs-under-inflated/)

Death, taxes, patriots cheating.

My mother in law woke up one night and caught my wife who had snuck out to be with me. She thought it was the first time we had done it when in reality we had done it so many times I couldn't even begin to count. For this reason and other similar examples ... I never believe most people get caught the first time they do something wrong and it would be pretty hard to convince this was the case here.

The biggest thing in all of this is how it affects the perception of the game. Many casual fans will see this as the NFL lacking integrity. The popularity of basketball dropped after the ref was caught betting and this won't help the NFL who is trying hard to revive its image after all of the negative press in regards to concussions, brain damage, bullying and wife abusers. For this reason they need to hand down a severe punishment IMO.

I heard on the Ticket (sports radio in Dallas) that New England is considering firing the equipment manager....because the 12th ball was found to be regulation.  >:D

I'm hearing a lot of talk about whether or not this would have given New England an unfair advantage in the game and this much is certain, at the very least Tomfoolery and Belicheat thought it gave them an unfair advantage or else the balls would have been regulation. If they thought it did then it did.

Also I'm hearing that it wouldn't have changed the outcome of the game since it was so lopsided and perhaps that is true and New England would have won the game regardless, but even if the score would have been 35-7 instead that's unacceptable and as has been mentioned, if they did it in the AFC championship game who's to say they haven't been doing it all year and just now got caught.

In my opinion this is another shining example of Belicheat thumbing his nose at the NFL. A fine or a draft choice isn't going to make him stop. You know what will make him stop? A 1 year suspension. That will make him stop at least for a year. And if he's caught cheating again when he comes back it should be a lifetime ban. If they can suspend Sean Payton a year for bounties after he'd been warned, they can suspend Belicheat for cheating after he'd been punished. Once can be forgiven as a mistake. Twice is a pattern. Time to send him and the rest of the NFL world a message. Cheating will not be tolerated.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

To me this is like the steroids debate in MLB. All the guys who get caught say taking steroids say it doesn't help you in any way.....well if it doesn't help you then why are you taking them?!

If deflating the football is no advantage and doesn't help or mean anything....then why are you doing it?

It's cheating at the end of the day and the NFL should punish them by taking away draft picks.

When I heard that Shula had referred to him as Belicheat, I thought that was kinda uncalled for, now I'm thinking that I should have known better than to question Don Shula's judge of character.

seriously .. i thought he was just having a grumpy old man moment .. but apparently he was dead on balls accurate

Hoodie sure has gone quiet with all of his explanations on how this wasn't intentional and how the refs surely would have been the ones to notice. Two pounds of pressure (each) in 11 balls was no accident and wasn't caused by a spiked football.

I actually whole-heartedly agree with this...  Suspend him, starting now.  Make him miss the Super Bowl.

This is part of a story from a Patriots beat writer from Comcast. I had never heard the story about Kraft and Belichick after spygate but it's pretty funny. I think Kraft is a top notch guy and if anything ... I fell bad that he keeps getting caught up in this kind of stuff.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/curran-somebodys-going-down-deflategate

This is officially a big deal.

It doesn’t matter if every other team in the league screws with the PSI. It doesn’t matter if Bill Belichick didn’t even know the balls were manipulated (if they were). It doesn’t matter that they would have bludgeoned the Colts anyway.

The Patriots cannot comport themselves with a “do business as business is being done” mentality. They forfeited the right to that mentality in 2007 when they got pinched for filming defensive signals and the 72 miles of fire and sharp glass the team got dragged through as a result should have convinced them.

If it didn’t, in March of 2008 should have. That’s when Belichick and Robert Kraft had to stand up at the NFL Owner’s Meetings in West Palm Beach and apologize to the assembled owners, head coaches and general managers of the other 31 franchises for the Spygate scandal.

At those meetings, owners unanimously approved a policy proposed by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell titled "Integrity of the Game and Fair Competition." It required all owners, executives and head coaches to certify annually that they have complied with league rules and policies and have reported any violations they know.

Real big deal was made of it. It was Goodell’s baby. Goodell is Kraft’s boy, probably more so than Belichick.

Spygate caused the league embarrassment. It caused Kraft humiliation. In Gary Myers’ 2012 book called Coaching Confidential Kraft recounted this exchange

"How much did this help us on a scale of 1 to 100?" Kraft reportedly asked Belichick.

"One," Belichick replied.

"Then you're a real schmuck," Kraft said he told Belichick

Even if Belichick had no clue this was being done (if it was being done), it will be painted as a lack of institutional control. It will also be implausible because Bill could be on another floor and know within 20 seconds if somebody misses a trash can with an apple core in that place.

I posted an article this morning with my thoughts about this scandal...

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/content/deflate-gate-confirmed-who-surprised

I'd say there is definitely one person that was aware of this, and that's Tom Brady.  He should be suspended.

Actually you're wrong about this too. This didn't happen in the AFC championship game it happened when the Colts played the Patriots earlier in the year. The Ravens also notified the Colts before the game to watch for under inflated ball. In fact the Colts notified the officials prior to the AFC Championship game about this and that is one of the reasons that all 12 balls were reinspected at halftime and found to be deflated. No one knows when exactly they were deflated, but it wasn't just noticed in the AFC Championship game it was noticed earlier in the year and the refs were told to look for it before the game. Look it's great that you think it's fine for the Patriots to cheat, but most people don't including the NFL. That's why they inspect the balls, to make sure that everyone is playing on a level playing field. The Colts were playing with a regulation ball and the Patriots were not.

This is the first time I can ever remember that I have absolutely no interest in the Super Bowl. I have always hated the Patriots being as they are in our division and the fact they continue to find themselves in hot water for unethical practices I hate to see them win again. Seattle is another team with a bunch of loud mouthed punks and a cheating coach of their own. He basically remains unscathed from his scandal at USC and I know he didn't just turn face and become a model coach when he went to Seattle. If there were a way for this game to end up in a 0-0 tie I would be happy. Being as this game is in my back yard, I have a real decent chance at a ticket. I am waiting for final word still and if I get it I will go just to say I went to the Super Bowl but what an awful matchup for me.

P.S. I know the Pro Bowl gets a lot of hate on here but I am excited about attending that game in my regular seats this Sunday!!!!!

A number of experts/former players have indicated this and basically called Brady a liar. If this momentum keeps building he could be in a bit of trouble.

I went to the Pro Bowl when it was here.  It is a very cool event.  Make sure you commit the entire day to it, because there is lots of stuff going on outside around the stadium.  Its a football-lover's paradise.  You'll enjoy it.  If you can, post some pics of the experience...

^^^ I tell people that too. It was much more fun experiencing the game than watching it on tv!

Brian and CF I am glad that hear you both enjoyed the event. I know that I will enjoy it as well. We plan on getting there very early and will definitely take some pics. I am pretty stoked to see many of the big names all at once and only be 10 rows off the field. Hopefully my ticket for the Super Bowl comes through as well and I will get some pics of that too!!!!!

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/01/29/ryan-tannehill-no-chance-im-pulling-for-patriots/

Ryan Tannehill today said no way he is rooting for the Patriots this weekend! Love it!

My source came through and I landed a free ticket to go to the Super Bowl on Sunday. I will take pics and when I get some free time I will upload them and my Pro Bowl (I had a blast by the way) pictures some time next week.

That's awesome!! Have a blast today and try not to get hit with any under-inflated footballs!!  ;D