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Title: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on February 02, 2015, 10:49:05 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/02/reports-johnny-manziel-entered-treatment-on-wednesday/

He is in rehab. Shocking (not)


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Phishfan on February 02, 2015, 11:48:04 am
^^^ Actually it is a bit shocking to me. I never expect Manziel to "man up". Let's see if he takes this seriously or if this is just another one of those useless trips to a facility.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: masterfins on February 02, 2015, 12:15:10 pm
Translation:  The Browns told his agent he was going to be cut if he didn't shape up.  His agent talked him into going to rehab for a couple weeks so the money train didn't dry up.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Pappy13 on February 02, 2015, 12:19:26 pm
Even still this could be exactly what he needs. At some point even the most dense of people start to realize that they are screwing up their career. Cris Carter saved his career once he grew up and wised up. Let see if this is enough to get Johnny Football's attention. He keeps saying the right things. This is the first time he's actually doing something about it even if it is just window dressing. 2 Weeks in rehab would get the attention of a lot of folks.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on February 02, 2015, 12:42:40 pm
I'm wondering if he failed a drug test and is going into rehab as a PR move. Your first failed drug test and I believe the NFL keeps that one quiet, so if it was his first failed test he might have decided to go into rehab on his own as a PR move since he knows the NFL won't go public with it. But the next one they will. And doing this also looks good for if he were to ever fail a 2nd test.

Just something that ran through my mind when I saw this as a possibility


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Phishfan on February 02, 2015, 01:32:31 pm
I don't think rehab would really improve the image of a second failed test. That may just be the way my mind works though.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Dave Gray on February 02, 2015, 01:35:57 pm
Sad, but the Browns should probably cut him.

He'll never be good.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 02, 2015, 02:40:42 pm
He should talk to Jon Jones and find out the secrets of mastering rehab in just one day.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: masterfins on February 02, 2015, 04:55:50 pm
Sad, but the Browns should probably cut him.

He'll never be good.

He really is heading down the road to be the next Ryan Leaf.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Brian Fein on February 02, 2015, 05:18:52 pm
He is already the next Tim Tebow


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: dolphins4life on February 02, 2015, 05:24:19 pm
He is already the next Tim Tebow

Except Tebow won a playoff game and had a good year


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Dave Gray on February 02, 2015, 05:39:24 pm
Tebow never had a good year.  Don't rewrite history.  He played on a winning team.  But he was never good.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Spider-Dan on February 02, 2015, 05:40:26 pm
Johnny Football will never have an army of followers insisting that he play, nor will he be propped up by outside interests.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Brian Fein on February 02, 2015, 06:12:34 pm
Except Tebow won a playoff game and had a good year
Laughable.  Which year are you referring to as his "good year"?

Was it the one where he played 14 games for the Broncos? 

The one where he threw for 46% completion, 123 yards per game, and 12 TD's?  72.9 QB rating?  Oh right, that was his GOOD YEAR.  It was his ONLY year where he had more than 100 attempts.

he's out of the league for a reason, and Johnny Football will be right behind him very soon.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: dolphins4life on February 02, 2015, 11:00:34 pm
Laughable.  Which year are you referring to as his "good year"?

Was it the one where he played 14 games for the Broncos? 

The one where he threw for 46% completion, 123 yards per game, and 12 TD's?  72.9 QB rating?  Oh right, that was his GOOD YEAR.  It was his ONLY year where he had more than 100 attempts.

he's out of the league for a reason, and Johnny Football will be right behind him very soon.

I think throwing twice as many tds as ints is pretty good.

Also, 6 ints in 14 games?  That's less than half a pick per game.

Not to mention his rushing prowess

I didn't mention his won-loss record that year because I believe football is a team sport and to compare quarterbacks by their won loss records is ludicrous because it overlooks the fact that one quarterback may have received more support from his teammates than another.  Not to mention a quarterback can't control if his opponent will do dumb things.  However, it's odd how everybody always says Brady is the best all-time because of his playoff wins. 


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on February 03, 2015, 12:18:36 am
I think throwing twice as many tds as ints is pretty good.

Also, 6 ints in 14 games?  That's less than half a pick per game.

Not to mention his rushing prowess

I didn't mention his won-loss record that year because I believe football is a team sport and to compare quarterbacks by their won loss records is ludicrous because it overlooks the fact that one quarterback may have received more support from his teammates than another.  Not to mention a quarterback can't control if his opponent will do dumb things.  However, it's odd how everybody always says Brady is the best all-time because of his playoff wins. 

Yep....Low Football IQ once again on display


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Rich on February 03, 2015, 12:10:30 pm
He is already the next Tim Tebow

Yep. Two party animals who will eventually have serious off the field issues.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on February 28, 2015, 07:17:49 am
Josh McCown signed with the Browns last night.

Looks like Brian Hoyer to the Texans as his time in Cleveland is now over. He will reunite with O'Brien

And the Jets/Bills are offering whatever they can to Tampa Bay now in a trade for Mike Glennon


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: bsmooth on February 28, 2015, 05:06:33 pm
I think throwing twice as many tds as ints is pretty good.

Also, 6 ints in 14 games?  That's less than half a pick per game.

Not to mention his rushing prowess

I didn't mention his won-loss record that year because I believe football is a team sport and to compare quarterbacks by their won loss records is ludicrous because it overlooks the fact that one quarterback may have received more support from his teammates than another.  Not to mention a quarterback can't control if his opponent will do dumb things.  However, it's odd how everybody always says Brady is the best all-time because of his playoff wins. 


You are ignoring the fact the Broncos won against the weak part of their schedule, and the defense came alive at that time frame. Prater had as much or more for those victories than Tebow did.
Let us not forget that the Steelers limped into the playoffs, and Tebow dumped off a pass to Thomas, who then made a fantastic 80yd run, including breaking tackles, for the win.
Revisionism will not change the fact Tebow could not beat out Sanchez. If he could legitimately QB in the NFL, he would still have a job.

p.s. His college coach said that Tebow won at Florida because he was surrounded by top talent.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on March 23, 2015, 02:32:01 am
Browns are gonna be on HARD KNOCKS this year


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: CF DolFan on March 23, 2015, 08:08:33 am

p.s. His college coach said that Tebow won at Florida because he was surrounded by top talent.
So now Tebow wasn't even a good college player? C'mon smooth ... you're better than that.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 23, 2015, 10:13:55 am

Revisionism will not change the fact Tebow could not beat out Sanchez.

That would be relevant if the Jets were not a completely dysfunctional organization.  Sanchez beat out Tebow b/c Sanchez was an overpaid first round draft pick.  Benching Sanchez for Tebow would be an admission that they traded up for the 6th pick was a mistake.

Much the same way the Jets kept Joe "throw up" McKnight and cut Danny "UDFA" Woodhead.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: bsmooth on March 23, 2015, 03:08:55 pm
So now Tebow wasn't even a good college player? C'mon smooth ... you're better than that.

I did not say that. Urban Meyer said Tebow shined because he was surrounded by talent at Florida. Perhaps his former coach, and the NFL teams have realized something that his fans have not? Maybe Tebow needs other talent to perform at a high level consistently.
I think Tebow has the athletic skill to be a starting TE or FB in the NFL..


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Dave Gray on March 23, 2015, 04:20:09 pm
^ I hear that about TE or FB, but you don't just become a TE at the highest level in the world after never playing the position before.  It's his body type, but do we know if he can catch, run routes, etc?  Tebow was an option QB that was just bigger and better and faster than his opponents.  He's a great college-type player, but in the NFL, the same things don't work and you have to rely on your ability to drop back, make reads, and deliver the ball.  Tebow isnt' capable of that part of the job -- the biggest part.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: CF DolFan on March 23, 2015, 04:25:16 pm
I did not say that. Urban Meyer said Tebow shined because he was surrounded by talent at Florida. Perhaps his former coach, and the NFL teams have realized something that his fans have not? Maybe Tebow needs other talent to perform at a high level consistently.
I think Tebow has the athletic skill to be a starting TE or FB in the NFL..
I think you are reading too much into Meyer's comments. He didn't say he shined "because" of it. In the same interview he says he doesn't understand why he's not in the NFL, that he is "the second-most efficient passer ever to play college football" and that he is "he's such a good player".

I still don't get that part of it," Meyer said Tuesday at Big Ten Media Days. "He's the second-most efficient passer ever to play college football."....

"He had really good personnel around him (at Florida) and we utilized his skill very well," Meyer said. "I think in a traditional setting, it is difficult, but there's a lot of non-traditional offenses now in the NFL."...

"He'll be successful in whatever he does, but he's such a good player," Meyer said. "I just wish it would work out for him."


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Spider-Dan on March 23, 2015, 05:04:44 pm
^ I hear that about TE or FB, but you don't just become a TE at the highest level in the world after never playing the position before. 
Not to play the race card, but there are an awful lot of black college QBs who are asked to switch to WR upon being drafted (and a few white ones, like Julian Edelman).

I think it would be a hell of a lot easier to switch to TE than WR.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Phishfan on March 23, 2015, 07:23:58 pm
I think it would be a hell of a lot easier to switch to TE than WR.

I would think it would be more difficult because of having to learn blocking techniques as well as the receiver aspect.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: bsmooth on March 23, 2015, 07:51:53 pm
^ I hear that about TE or FB, but you don't just become a TE at the highest level in the world after never playing the position before.  It's his body type, but do we know if he can catch, run routes, etc?  Tebow was an option QB that was just bigger and better and faster than his opponents.  He's a great college-type player, but in the NFL, the same things don't work and you have to rely on your ability to drop back, make reads, and deliver the ball.  Tebow isnt' capable of that part of the job -- the biggest part.

As a running QB, he could probably transition into FB easier.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 23, 2015, 07:52:51 pm
Not to play the race card, but there are an awful lot of black college QBs who are asked to switch to WR upon being drafted (and a few white ones, like Julian Edelman).

I think it would be a hell of a lot easier to switch to TE than WR.

I don't think it is racial at all.  Typically the best athlete on the team plays qb and pitcher even if that wouldn't be his most natural position.  So guys who are a natural rb, te or wr windup playing qb even though they would be even better somewhere else, bc along with being the teams best wr they are also the team's best qb


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: bsmooth on March 23, 2015, 07:53:11 pm
I would think it would be more difficult because of having to learn blocking techniques as well as the receiver aspect.

Not all TE's are good at blocking. Some are just glorified WR's.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Spider-Dan on March 24, 2015, 02:33:29 am
I would think it would be more difficult because of having to learn blocking techniques as well as the receiver aspect.
I doubt TEs are expected to spend as much time on precise route running and timing routes as WRs.  Plus, TEs are generally not expected to be able to juke DBs and get open downfield.

I don't think it is racial at all.  Typically the best athlete on the team plays qb and pitcher even if that wouldn't be his most natural position.  So guys who are a natural rb, te or wr windup playing qb even though they would be even better somewhere else, bc along with being the teams best wr they are also the team's best qb
That's not the point.

Brad Smith, Antwaan Randle-El, and Josh Cribbs went from QB to WR without a problem.  So why can't Saint Timothy go from QB to TE?


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on June 17, 2015, 07:41:46 pm
Johnny Football retired the "MONEY SIGN" he does after big plays today. Said he won't do it anymore.

I give it till the 3rd quarter of the 1st preseason game before he breaks it out


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Sunstroke on June 18, 2015, 01:08:44 am

The fact that he felt like he had to announce that he won't be making a weird hand signal any more leads me to believe that he still doesn't quite get it...



Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Dolphster on June 18, 2015, 08:13:20 am
The fact that he felt like he had to announce that he won't be making a weird hand signal any more leads me to believe that he still doesn't quite get it...



Exactly.  He is a first rate attention huer. 


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: dolphins4life on June 18, 2015, 09:57:07 am
I doubt he will be starting come opening day. 


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on June 18, 2015, 11:26:10 am
I doubt he will be starting come opening day. 

He has a fight to even make the team. I wouldn't be shocked if he was one of the last cuts before Week 1.

He isn't very good, is a distraction, and the coaches don't like him


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: masterfins on June 18, 2015, 11:51:53 am
I'd bet this was a response to an idiot reporter's question.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on November 24, 2015, 05:38:15 pm
And after seemingly turning the corner and starting to show some signs that he can play in this league, Johnny Manziel screws it all up again.  Out partying with a bottle of liquor in his hand.  Caught on video.  Browns have demoted him to third string now.  What an idiot.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on November 24, 2015, 06:21:54 pm
Manziel demoted to 3rd string the rest of the year. His NFL career will probably be over after this season


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Tenshot13 on November 24, 2015, 09:25:00 pm
Manziel demoted to 3rd string the rest of the year. His NFL career will probably be over after this season
Broncos are trying out Ponder this week. If hes still getting tryouts, Manzel will too. He'll be done in Cleveland, but someone will give him a shot. 


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on November 24, 2015, 09:46:00 pm
Broncos are trying out Ponder this week. If hes still getting tryouts, Manzel will too. He'll be done in Cleveland, but someone will give him a shot. 

Ponder isn't an undersized player who is a drunk who shows a total lack of maturity, Manziel is


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Spider-Dan on November 25, 2015, 12:26:53 am
Ponder isn't an undersized player who is a drunk who shows a total lack of maturity, Manziel is
You're right, Ponder is not those things.  He's something worse: a bad player.

You can be a domestic abuser or a child beater or a rapist or a dog killer or an accomplice to murder... as long as you are a good player.  Ponder is not a good player, but Manziel might be.  So Manziel will get another chance.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Dolphster on November 25, 2015, 09:13:06 am
Jerry Jones will sign him and immediately tell the media that "Johnny is a leader on this football team."


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Phishfan on November 25, 2015, 09:22:32 am
You're right, Ponder is not those things.  He's something worse: a bad player.

You can be a domestic abuser or a child beater or a rapist or a dog killer or an accomplice to murder... as long as you are a good player.  Ponder is not a good player, but Manziel might be.  So Manziel will get another chance.

I can save everyone some time, he isn't a good player.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on November 25, 2015, 09:06:52 pm
You're right, Ponder is not those things.  He's something worse: a bad player.

You can be a domestic abuser or a child beater or a rapist or a dog killer or an accomplice to murder... as long as you are a good player.  Ponder is not a good player, but Manziel might be.  So Manziel will get another chance.

Where has Manziel shown he "might" be a good player in the NFL? He isn't. He is on par with Ponder or maybe worse, he is on that level with Ponder.  Manziel has Doug Flutie's height and size without Doug Flutie's talent.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 26, 2015, 08:27:12 am
He is more talented thanFluitie, fluitie had heart that is the difference


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on November 26, 2015, 10:30:08 am
He is more talented thanFluitie, fluitie had heart that is the difference

Thank you for supporting me and making my point. Manziel's lack of heart and lack of maturity will run him out of the league very soon.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Spider-Dan on November 27, 2015, 12:27:25 am
Where has Manziel shown he "might" be a good player in the NFL?
He hasn't really shown anything because he has only started 5 games, which is the point.

Ponder has had ample opportunity (over 30 starts, in fact) to prove that he is not good.  Manziel has not.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: fyo on November 27, 2015, 04:57:46 am
Manziel has Doug Flutie's height and size without Doug Flutie's talent.

Floutie is 5'10". Manziel is 6 feet. Like Drew Brees. Taller than Russel Wilson.

Height is not Manziel's problem.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on November 27, 2015, 07:02:37 am
Floutie is 5'10". Manziel is 6 feet. Like Drew Brees. Taller than Russel Wilson.

Height is not Manziel's problem.

I know, as I said 100 times...its his immaturity that's the problem.   ::)



Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on November 27, 2015, 07:03:23 am
He hasn't really shown anything because he has only started 5 games, which is the point.

Ponder has had ample opportunity (over 30 starts, in fact) to prove that he is not good.  Manziel has not.

The reason he hasn't gotten more starts is because he is in rehab! He has had the opportunities but he has squandered them for being an immature loser


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Phishfan on November 27, 2015, 02:15:46 pm
He hasn't really shown anything because he has only started 5 games, which is the point.

Ponder has had ample opportunity (over 30 starts, in fact) to prove that he is not good.  Manziel has not.

Are you really going to use the argument people use to defend Tebow? He isn't starting for reasons. The guy is a second year player, he has had plenty of time to show the appropriate people if he can be a starter in the league.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on November 27, 2015, 02:19:41 pm
I agree with MikeO and Hoodie that he's immature.  He tweeted that he doesn't have a drinking problem but the Browns have a problem with him drinking.  Turns out he's a liar as well.  Reports are coming out that he lied to the Browns about the video.   Told them it was old.  Also told his friends to lie about it too.  They say the coverup is worse than the crime.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: MikeO on November 27, 2015, 02:54:38 pm
Are you really going to use the argument people use to defend Tebow? He isn't starting for reasons. The guy is a second year player, he has had plenty of time to show the appropriate people if he can be a starter in the league.

Exactly. And it's not like he is stuck on the bench behind Aaron Rodgers or Andrew Luck. He can't beat out Josh McCown and Brian Hoyer


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Spider-Dan on November 27, 2015, 05:46:09 pm
Are you really going to use the argument people use to defend Tebow?
It's not the same thing.  Tebow's problem was his ability to throw a football, which was obvious and apparent before he even took an NFL snap, and was only confirmed after he did take them.  Are you saying that Manziel's arm is too weak or inaccurate to be an NFL QB?

Most, if not all, young QBs need time to adjust to the speed of the NFL game before they get it.  For now, Manziel's football problems are things that can be resolved through increased experience.  The majority of the arguments being made against him have nothing to do with football; Tebow's situation was precisely the opposite, in which lots of people loved him off the field and were willing to ignore the fact that he couldn't freaking pass the football.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 03, 2016, 08:08:52 pm
Manziel was told he would be inactive today after being concussed last week.    He did not show up for his 9 am checkup with the medic today and could not be reached by phone.  Rumor was that he was in Vegas last night.   At this point, the Browns are saying they are done with Manziel.



Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on August 03, 2018, 09:24:36 pm
BUMP

Manziel made his debut in the CFL tonight and threw four picks.... in the first half.  YIKES!!!!!


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: masterfins on August 08, 2018, 02:30:15 pm
He was traded to a bad team, Montreal, and was only there for a couple practices; but still it was pretty ugly.  I'm curious as to why he was traded though.


Title: Re: Johnny Football
Post by: Dolphster on August 09, 2018, 11:56:10 am
He is like the Kardashians of football.  Famous for no apparent reason other than consistently embarrassing himself in public.