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The Dolphins just traded with the Saints for WR Kenny Stills

Fins are giving up a 3rd round pick and Ellerbee

That's a steal for the Dolphins.

No shocker Jeff Irleand works in New Orleans these days as a scout and special adviser. THANKS JEFF!!

Fins open up cap space and get a legit WR who makes no real money! Total steal by the Fins

we just need a crosby and a nash and we're all set !

I don't how this is a steal if they gave up a 3rd round pick. It's a good trade, but it's not a steal.

Shocked that New Orleans would get rid of Stills. Young (22), has great hands, the speed to be a deep threat, and he has two years left on his rookie contract. If Miami does, indeed, cut ties with Mike Wallace after this coming season, they have his replacement already in the fold.

Jarvis Landry
Mike Wallace
Kenny Stills
Jordan Cameron
(hopefully) Charles Clay.

That definitely removes any urgency to draft a WR early, so Miami can focus on the LB/OG positions in the first two rounds.

Color me impressed with the Dolphins front office this offseason. They go get the big dog (Suh) for the defense, and then add two young talented receivers in Cameron and Stills for the offense.

^^Rumor is Brees and Stills couldn't get on the same page and Brees wanted him gone

Look at Stills production. Almost 1000 yards receiving in his second year, he's a 4.38 guy. But he also catches almost 80% of his targets. He's 23. He's cheap.

And you have to factor in that we threw in a player we were going to cut anyway and opened up a bunch more cap room.

So, I was reading on a Saints Fan Forum just to see how they are looking at the trade.  A lot of them think that the Saints got robbed in giving up Stills and think the trade was only made because Brees didn't care for Stills.  They also seem oddly excited about getting Ellerbe so I'm not sure I'd put a lot of stock in what they are thinking. 

They play hockey. I'm not sure they would be good additions for us.  ;D

A lot of Miami fans seemed oddly excited about getting Ellerbe 2 years ago, so... ;)

NFL Network reporting Miami is OFFICIALLY putting Wallace on the trade block this afternoon. Letting everyone know he is available.

that was me, sir.  I seem to be the only one that thinks Ellerbe was a decent player.  I think he got linked to Wheeler, who was awful, and people just wanted them both gone.  I think Ellerbe is a good enough player, but Stills is good compensation for him.

Ellerbe was ranked dead last at his position in 2013. He then proceeded to miss the entire season in 2014.

Yeah, but the year before, when he finally got the chance to start during the second half of the season, he had put up some decent numbers, notching double-digit tackles in a bunch of games. That's why Miami thought he was worth signing.

Of course, then came 2013, and as noted, he stunk like the south side of a northbound mule.

Good riddance, Mr. Ellerbe...don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

I see what you did there.   Where do you come up with this stuff?

Agreed. He wasn't a good scheme fit for the Phins.

This is an excellent trade for us. We got a young, cheap receiver who puts up Mike Wallace numbers as a depe threat, but not as one dimensional. In return, we give up a 3rd rounder and Ellerbe which allows us to have about $6 Million in cap space.

A trade so lopsided that Saints fans should be picketing outside their headquarters and demanding the GM is fired. Stills for a 3rd rounder straight up is bad for Nawlins, but throwing in Ellerbe? Wow, kudos to Miami in every way.

I just fling fingers at the keyboard and hope some of it makes sense once the digital dust settles. ;)

Now factor in that Miami gave a 3rd round pick and that evens things out pretty dramatically. I never said it was a bad trade, I like the trade, I just don't think it's a steal by any means.

A 3rd rounder for a proven NFL WR who is under cheap control for 2 years is a steal and a trade every team in the NFL would make.

Except the Saints apparently.

Now factor in that the Saints had a cheap deep threat for two seasons and noe have a way overpaid linebacker for two seasons and the trade was a steal.

Recent Fins 3rd round picks....Michael Egnew, Billy Turner, Jon Jerry. Yeah I got no problem giving up a 3rd round pick for a PROVEN WR on his rookie contract playing for no money with a lot of upside

A 3rd rounder plus a proven LB. That makes it a pretty even trade.

So the problem isn't the 3rd round pick but rather who Miami has chosen with the pick? Can't agree with you more there. But that doesn't make 3rd round picks any less valuable, it just means that you have to pick the right guy with the pick.

Again I want to stress that I'm not saying that I don't like the trade, I do. But trades like this always look good at this time of year, how about we see if Stills actually is a decent WR for the Dolphins before we start singing his praises. Wallace was thought to be a steal too and now a couple years later everyone is glad he's gone. Before that it was Brandon Marshall.

How about we take a look at the real score line:

Losses
Brandon Gibson
Brian Hartline
Mike Wallace
Jared Odrick
Jimmy Wilson
Dannell Ellerbe
3rd and 7th round picks

Additions:
Kenny Stills
Jordan Cameron
Brice McCain
Ndamukong Suh
5th round pick.

If we lose Clay too, even being optimistic about these moves this is probably an upgrade but not a major upgrade in my mind. Suh is a great player and will help the defense tremendously, but we paid a lot to get him and lost Odrick in the process. Odrick is no Suh, but he was a decent player. Looking at Stills compared to Wallace, Hartline and Gibson and our WR corp took a hit and definite downgrade. Sure getting their salaries off the books helped, but really only so that we could sign Suh, didn't help the WR talent. Cameron for Clay is a good trade, but only if Cameron stays healthy and while health is always a crapshoot, the problem with Cameron is concussions and those things tend to be pretty predictable rather than simply bad luck. I have no idea what McCain will bring. I think some of you are looking at this with rose colored glasses and that's certainly one way to look at things, but I'd prefer to wait till these guys take the field in 2015 before declaring this a successful off-season.

What, exactly, has that LB proven? In 2013, he proved he could be among the worst inside linebackers in the game. In 2014, he proved he could sit on the bench with an injury.

It really wasn't an even trade.

a linebacker (who isn't proven) who is coming off major hip surgery

I didn't say it was an even trade, I said it wasn't a steal, which it wasn't.

Please look at the words that I quoted. You said, and I again quote:


Unless you want to argue the semantics between an "even trade" and a "pretty even" trade, then yeah, you did say it was an even trade.

I've seen a lot of Saints fans ecstatic about this deal.  They love they get a 3rd rounder and a serviceable LB (who is expected to restructure his contract or get cut) for a head case/locker room cancer who was disliked by Brees. They also mentioned it was not uncommon to see Stills partying in the French Quarter deep into the morning on game day.  Mainly, they're just happy Stills is somebody else's problem now.

Not 1 report from a legit source called him a "head case" or a "locker-room cancer"....that is overstating it a bit. Provide one example of such behavior in New Orleans.

He and Brees weren't on the same page, that's all I have seen reported. Don't make stuff up

I found this curious, as I had never heard anything like that before. So, I went digging...at one of the larger Saints message boards. I figured there would be some sort of talk about what reasons were behind New Orleans wanting to deal Stills. I read through 32 pages of comments about the trade, and while there were a few comments about his personality, there wasn't anything specific, only people who figured that his personality was the only possible reason that the Saints would trade him. That said, I saw at least an equal number of Saints fans asking what the hell those other fans were talking about, as they always saw Stills as a good character guy and a total professional.

Here is a link to the thread I read through:

http://saintsreport.com/forums/f2/saints-trade-stills-miami-recd-3rd-round-pick-lb-dannell-ellerbe-338991/ (http://saintsreport.com/forums/f2/saints-trade-stills-miami-recd-3rd-round-pick-lb-dannell-ellerbe-338991/)

The only off-field problems I could find was a single DUI when he was at Oklahoma, and I can forgive a college kid one alcohol-based transgression. Besides, he sounded pretty contrite about it and hasn't had any more issues.  In short, until I see something concrete that supports a random fan claim of him being a problem child, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Not saying anything I saw was fact or even my opinion. However, that's what I did see coming from the various comments sections following the articles I read about the trade.  I just thought it was worth noting those opinions here. I normally don't take much stock in the validity of any comments section anyway.  I was just curious what the New Orleans reaction might be.  What I posted were common threads that echoed repeatedly.

^^^ One of the things that I thought was the most interesting when reading through the Saints fans' comments in that trade thread was how many of them thought that Ellerbe was a good linebacker.

Yes I would like to argue semantics.

These were my first words on the topic:


And then I followed that up with:


You have to go down to my third post where I said it was "Pretty even". Not even. "Pretty even". Combine that with my first 2 posts and it's CLEAR what I said and what I meant.

I found that interesting as well.

Ellerbee made the game winning tackle near the goal-line in a super bowl. People will remember that play. So for those who hadn't thought about him or seen him since that game (probably all Saints fans) that is their last memory of him. And they figure he was just hurt last year and its no big deal.

Ellerbee played out of position his first year in Miami. I think last year had he not got hurt, him playing at OLB he would have been good and much better So if the Saints use him right, he will be fine. An above average LB but not a game changer. Miami won't miss him by any means but he is a nice player. Saints are probably overly excited which is ok. Most fans are overly excited about guys they sign in March

Exactly. I would add that most fans under appreciate guys that aren't superstars.