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I thought Wallace/Stills/Landry would be a good mix of talent.

I think Kenny Stills being your #1 WR is horrific.

Nothing against Kenny Stills, but he's a kid.  He's not a proven #1 WR.  He's a nice player with some skills but I think the Dolphins still need someone else.

What about Michael Crabtree?  Seems to be available, but not sure about his situation. 

How about Reggie Wayne?  I know he's old but he would be a good veteran presence around the young kids.

What about the draft?  I imagine we will grab a guy in the early-to-mid rounds.  Who's available?

Other free agents to note: Hakeen Micks, Wes Welker, Lance Moore, Jason Avant, Harry Douglas, Greg Jennings, Stevie Johnson, Cecil Shorts, Miles Austin, Donnie Avery, Brandon Lloyd, Dwayne Bowe.

I'm just not sold that Kenny Stills is going to be the team savior.  Who else is there?

Right now we do not have a viable option to be a #1 receiver. None of the guys you named, in my mind, are a viable #1 receiver. Some of them used to be, but no longer are. Mike Wallace was also not a viable #1 receiver.

We still need to look WR in round 1, and it does make sense to bring in a veteran, but don't expect any of them to be a viable #1 receiver.

Jennings is the one that makes the most sense to me. It depends on what kind of money he'll want and it won't remove the need to grab a quality WR in the draft.

I think having a true #1 WR is great, but it also isn't 100% necessary. Neither team in this year's Super Bowl had a #1 WR on their roster. I do consider both Stills and Landry to be quality #2's though, and if you can get a third #2 quality WR in round 2-3 of the draft, then having 3 #2 WRs, especially if you have a quality receiving TE, can constitute a solid receiving corps.

If one of the big-3 WRs in this class (White, Cooper, Parker, in that order) are available, then sure...go get your #1 WR. If not, don't reach for one there. Go for the best available talent at linebacker, or safety (if Collins is still there). Then go OG/WR/LB with your next 3 selections.

At this point, I am as concerned, if not more so, about the safety position. There is literally "nothing" worthwhile at S in the free agent pool, and there is really only one S in this draft class that looks worth a shit. Having a talented young strong safety like Landon Collins lining up with Reshad Jones would be extremely nice.

I would consider Gronk a #1 receiver. He also happens to be an incredible blocking tight end.

Shorts is in Houston today visiting
Bowe was in Cleveland yesterday visiting
Crabtree is supposedly down to SD or Washington
Wayne will Retire I am guessing
Harry Douglas SIGNED with Tenn
Stevie Johnson visited with SD and is in New England today on a visit

Get Jennings.

I see us drafting Parker.

If we were able to get Jennings or Wayne at a decent price, I would be happy. Not so much for their production, but their mentoring to our young receivers.

Fins are gonna have to move up to get one of the Top 3 WR's in Rd 1. Too many teams in need of WR's are ahead of us. Raiders, Jets, Cleveland, New Orleans (after Stills trade this is a need)..among others who might grab one if they guy they want isn't there (ie Rams.)

Cooper, White, and Parker will go quick in Rd 1. Real quick. Fins need to move up to the Top 10 to get one of these guys. And I'm all for it honestly, trade up and go big! If they stay at #14 they might end up with the next WR after Parker who they have rated the highest.

Jets have Marshall and Decker. They aren't going WR in round 1.

Nothing would surprise me. Marshall is a stop-gap for them. After this year they can cut him loose easy plus he is a head-case who can snap at any time. And when you have a garbage QB you want to surround him with all the talent you can.

Instead of bringing in some retread overpaid veteran at WR, I'd rather see Miami go out and re-sign Clay, and run a two TE set, and make due with the receivers they have on the roster (plus a later draft pick).  The added benefit being it would screw Buffalo's plans.

They all have other needs as well. Parker may not be there but may still be.

There are 6 other rounds they can use to find a WR. They aren't going to spend a #1 pick on a WR when they need a QB amongst other things.

Dorial Green-Beckham is going to surprise a lot of people.  He could end up being the next Randy Moss

He has a ton of off the field issues and Miami can't take him in the top half of the 1st round. Even trading down in Rd 1 he is a huge risk.

I'm very high on him, just not in the first round. Too many risks.

Shhhh...quit talking about DGB, as I am hoping my 49ers find a way to get him. ;)

Do not like Jennings one bit...lost a step and has been Mr. irrelevant the past two seasons. Would rather bring in a Reggie Wayne to mentor our young core.

I really don't see how WR is such a huge need. Sure, it's a need, but to use our first rounder on it?

Landry had a great year and should improve. Excellent #2 receiver. Stills was better than Wallace last year, plus he can actually catch the goddamn ball when it's thrown at him, so at the worst it's a push. If Clay doesn't come back, we now have Cameron who has a different skillset, but can play jumpball in the endzone for touchdowns and is a better player if healthy.

We just need a #3, so hopefully we go for Jennings who was fine last year with bad QB's, just not worth #1 money. Then you find a warm body to replace that amazing 400+ yard production and we're set.

I'm as pessimistic as they come with this team, I STILL think we are finishing 8-8, but they have made solid moves so far and WR is not nearly as needy as finding two Guards and some linebackers.

You might want them to get a defense first since most of it has retired...

Right now, Rashard Matthews is a starting WR.

You ok with that?

Right now, yes. In the season no. I have no doubts this will be rectified.

I guess that's where you and I differ.  I am very scared that it WON'T be rectified.

On defense for SF, two have retired and three have moved on in free agency...but we've also added two new players through FA. Yeah, I expect we'll draft 3-4 new defensive players, but that doesn't negate our need at WR.

I really like DBG. I know all about his off-field issues in the past, but I've seen several interviews with him in the past month or so, and am convinced that he has gotten his shit together. The guy has serious Dez Bryant/AJ Green upside, perhaps a higher upside than any of the big-3 WRs that will be drafted ahead of him. I don't mind rolling the dice when it comes to game-changing talent.

Patrick Willis, Chris Borland and Justin Smith. That's three major cogs retiring, not two.

Also, you spent big on a WR in free agency. I think that makes a WR in the 1st unlikely.

Don't get ahead of yourself...Justin Smith hasn't actually retired yet.

Another Randy Moss comparison if you ask me  ;)

Growing up and seeing and  knowing about Randy before his troubles came (I was in college when Randy's high school troubles hit) I really hope this kid has turned a corner. The biggest issue with the comparison that I see is Randy had issues in high school. DBG had issues in college. Most of them I can see as youthful indiscretions. The violence thing (push of a woman down stairs) can easily be exaggerated by the media. I've heard no report of violence other than him trying to enter an apartment to speak with his girlfriend (I bet we have all seen or done something similar). My biggest issue is the report of a pound of mj. While I don't personally view that as a societal problem, I see it as a problem for an NFL employer. He better find a way to get into the legal trade if he wants to play in that world and the NFL.

FYI, does anyone know if the NFL has any regulations as far as being the money man on some of the legal dispensaries?

Yeah ok, well do you really want a guy back who is considering not being back?

And what are the chances he comes back giving how many people are jumping that ship?

No, but I would rather start Rashard Matthews than use our 1st rounder on a WR.

Cover32 did a mock draft which has the Dolphins selecting DGB at 14.

http://cover32.com/2015/03/18/nfl-mock-draft-2015-round-one-version-1-0/

(Just don't scroll all the way down if you're at work)

It's a fan-site, can't take that seriously. Just one "fans" opinion and no real insight to back that pick up

What's the difference if its a fan site or not?  They "cover" all "32" teams, so there's not really a bias.

Mock drafts are just supposition.  All mock drafts are worthless.

Missed my point. Some kid sitting in his parents basement did that mock draft. They don't cover all 32 teams, they employ FANS of those teams to run the team page. Not a paid reporter or someone with a press pass or who was at the combine. It is a site run by fans. Hardly anything to put any credence in. I mean god bless anyone who runs a fan site out of passion for their favorite team. But they aren't "paid reporters" with "inside or inside info" putting together those mocks. It's no different than anyone of us making a "Mock Draft" and trying to pass it off as something that is legit.

So kinda like 90% of your opinionated posts, no reason to put any credence into what you are saying.  Got it.

yeah but I am not passing a mock draft off or my thoughts off as anything official or anything more than one fans thoughts. I am just voicing an opinion. I'm not putting my thoughts up there next to Jay Glazer's or Adam Schefter's and pretending my opinions have equal value to theris  ::)

If a "fan" puts out a mock draft, that's fine. But Mike Mayock's and Mel Kiper's actually have some merit to them. Didn't think I really had to explain that

Maybe I am not understanding, but if the members of this web forum did a mock draft, is it not still a mock draft?

I don't understand why it has to be members of the media to be considered "valid"

It's still a mock draft, but not one you can take seriously. That's all.

If you want to read into it and think its something legit, go for it.

That's all I'm saying and honestly this is a silly topic

MikeO is pretty spot on when it comes to mock drafts...

I'm probably about as much a junkie for the mock draft glitterati as anyone, and anyone who knows me well will tell you that is a gross understatement. Since the end of the regular season, I have mock drafted either the 49ers or Dolphins "at least" a hundred times (using http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/). The vast majority of mock drafts, especially those done by fans of a particular team, can best be subtitled "These are the players I really want" and nothing more. However, there are "real" mock drafts, those done by impartial analysts and so-called experts, that can be looked at as more than just pigskin pipe dreaming. The Kipers, McShays, Mayocks, Brandts and Cherepinskys of the world actually look at pertinent information like the following to make a sincere effort to predict which teams will take which players.:

* What systems each team runs, and how individual prospects fit within each system. Just because a team needs a defensive tackle, it doesn't mean that the best DT on the board is a good fit for that team.

* Contract status of individual players currently on each team's rosters. Teams aren't just drafting to fill their needs for this year, but to fill needs for players likely to leave the next year and the year after that.

* Displayed interest. Which prospects are individual teams talking to at showcase events like the Senior Bowl, Shrine Game and Combine, and which front office personnel are going to which prospects' Pro Days.

Once you factor ALL of that type of information into the equation, you can start to get a feel for which players might actually be selected by which teams. In the end though, it is still a crapshoot, and even the most "sure thing" prediction of a team grabbing a specific player at a specific draft slot isn't ever really a sure thing until their name actually gets called at the podium.

It was just a point of interest, since you guys were discussing that particular player.

Sorry, I'll never post anything ever again.  Jesus.

Jesus does a decent mock draft...

Maybe their receiving corps will be fine after all

Look at the receiving stats from 2008:  The top receivers were Ginn, Camarillo, and Bess.  None had more than 56 catches that year and the Dolphins still won the division.

Maybe having some solid players will be the best thing after all, rather than a single well known player

If Tom Brady is out for 15 games, I have no doubt MIA can win the division with the current receiving corps.
I mean, if that was your point.

Landry was great last year and should improve like all talented rookies. Wallace was swapped for Stills and if you go by stats and not by salary, we either stayed the same or slightly upgraded. Hartline and Gibson were useless and can be replaced by 6th rounders. Clay's 600 yards are gone and replaced by a very high upside/low downside player in Cameron. If he stays healthy, we improved.

Not saying it's Clayton and Duper, but I am still not seeing the urgency with the WR situation.

I think it was more that it was possible to have a good team without superstar receiving corps. 

I wouldn't mind seeing the wildcat come back next year

Those are 2 very dangerous statements...

1 Wallace had 10 TD's Stills had 3. It's definitely not an upgrade, you hope its a wash but Wallace is a more polished player at the end of the day.

2  You aren't replacing Hartline and Gibson with 6th rounders that's just silly. They were sure handed and strong route runners, those type of WR's don't grow on trees. They will be difficult to replace.

LOL LOL...man you top yourself with every post

The Wild Cat consisted of two main components: Snapping to someone capable of running the ball well and an unbalanced offensive line. Both concepts are widely used around the NFL. One huge limiting factor with the Ronnie Brown Wild Cat was that there was very little threat of throwing the ball. That limited its use in the NFL considerably.

What we've seen in the seasons since the Wild Cat is that teams have taken the concepts and used them. Bigger, stronger quarter backs capable of executing a read option are all the rage. The unbalanced line is used as well, although not necessarily in combination with a read option.

The Wild Cat has evolved. Going back to the prehistoric version of it makes no sense.

I certainly would. There is a pretty good reason the entire league has quit using it anymore.

If RG3 and Colin Kaepernick can't even successfully run a Wildcat-style offense, who would MIA run it with?

The wildcat was successful in the short term because it was so very different that it took people by surprise and it took teams a while to figure out how to defend it.  Gimmick plays like that are great in the short term, bad in the long term. 

Sometimes you are just trolling people by saying crazy stuff to see what kind of reaction you can get out of them, right?   ???

We should bring Fiedler and Wanny back. Cam Cameron too.

I miss Cleo Lemon and Ray Lucas.

What harm would it be to see if they can catch everybody by surprise.

The Titans did it with the music city miracle.  Maybe not use it all season like in 2008, but maybe try to pull off a couple big plays to pull out those close games that make the difference between making the playoffs and going home. 

Anyway, back to subject of receivers.


The 2008 team proved that you can have a good team with non-superstar receivers.

I think who they have, based on what I've read from you guys, could be a perfectly adequate corps, like Ginn, Bess, and Camarillo were in 2008.

That WR corp in 2008 wasn't adequate

Greg Jennings taking an official visit with Miami this week

"Hey Greg, do you have a pulse?".
"Umm....yeah?".
"Good, because we don't have many wide receivers with that right now, so you're in".

There is a report out this morning by Armando that said odds are the Fins won't sign a Vet WR till after the draft. 

Well lets give Armando a Mensa Award for that gem of a report.  ::)  Nobody is signing Jennings, Wayne, or Crabtree because there is so much talent in the Draft that they are all thinking why pay the old vets when I may be able to get a young guy cheaper.  Plus there were also a bunch of other WR's already moved around in FA.  Just the opposite of when Miami had to overpay for Wallace a couple years ago because no one was available.

Thread cleaned up.  Stay on topic, please.

Thread drift warning...

One of the major reasons the Miami wildcat succeeded in 2008 but failed afterwards: Chad Pennington stayed on the field which still allowed the threat of throwing the ball and brought out the element of surprise, the wildcat could be sprung at any time with the existing personnel on the field. It worked, but it also got criticism that the risk of getting your Quarterback killed was too great...

During the Henne era he was subbed out before a wildcat play, tipping off the defenses and allowing them to prepare for it. The only time it worked like a charm was during the Tennessee game when both Chads were off injured before three quarter time, and the team had to do it before they could activate Thigpen for the fourth quarter. I still remember that series with the Zombie Wildcat, the run sell-out and the incomplete Brandon Marshall deep throw down the field that really shook the Tennessee defense up, they seriously didn't know what the hell was happening until we marched into field goal range. The element of surprise was the key to it working, once the defenses are prepared it just isn't effective.

I have to admit I am a little worried Tannehill is going to have to work with what is nearly an entirely new receiving core this year - Marino never went through this sort of massive upheaval in an offseason for the best part of his career. I guess we are going to find out how good Tannehill really is, that or there will be a whole lot of growing pains as he gets used to his new targets.

Did they play the Titans in 2010?  I thought they played them in 2009.  They got robbed blind in that game, though I remember I actually tried to defend the refs lol

2010. It was Chad Pennington's comback game and he lasted what, one play? Then Henne went down before three quarter time. The Zombie Wildcat was used until the start of the fourth quarter when Thigpen came in and managed to get us home.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=301114015

Aha, they played them both years