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Miami is currently picking 14th....predict what they will do with that pick and answer the following 3 questions..

-Trade Up/Trade Down/Stay at #14
-Who will they select
-What player do you not want to see Miami take in Rd 1 and would upset you if they took them

I truly believe at this position MIA needs to take the best player available in the draft.  I truly hope Gurley is there at 14th.  Injury aside, he is a beast and will be a difference maker in the NFL if his knee holds up long term.  I don't know if he'll be there when MIA drafts, but if he is, MIA should take him.

If Gurley is the next Adrian Peterson I have no problem with Miami taking him. I will trust the judgment on Hickey and Tannenbaum if they think he is on that level though and I won't flip out if they do take him.  I'm just not sure he is on that level which is why I have my doubts.  To me this is a smokescreen from Day 1. Miami is building up his stock and hype hoping a team trades ABOVE them to take him, hence pushing someone they might really want down to them at 14.

To me...

-I think Miami stays at #14
-I think they will select DeVante Parker at #14
-If they drafted Trey Waynes I would be upset (I don't think CB is a need this year and I think Waynes is a bit overrated)

They stay at 14.
I have no idea who they take. It will depend on the best player available so I expect a lineman or CB depending on how things go.
I do not want to see them draft Gurley. Running backs can be found anywhere and I don't think he will warrant a #14 selection.

-Stay at #14
-I think they will take:
   1) Parker
   2) Gurley
   3) Waynes
-I don't want them to draft Waynes.  I've heard a lot of chatter that he's overrated.

I'd be fine with either of these picks, and like you said, wouldn't go nuts if they didn't draft Gurley, but I've got a feeling about him.  Watched alot of SEC games and he's got good burst and power.  I know the knee surgery is a concern, but I've read that problems with this surgery is at 2-3% long term.

I am totally against drafting RB's early in drafts, its a devalued position in the NFL these days and not worth it. The one exception is if this guy is Adrian Peterson level then you take him. The injury doesn't bother me much cause we do have Miller. So even if he starts the year on PUP so be it we are fine. Miller would be gone after this year (his contract is up) and you move forward with Gurley long-term as your feature back since you took him so high in Rd 1.

My issue is if we draft Gurley then in Rd 2 you better take a GUARD, cause why have a great RB if you have no blocking for him. Build up around him and Tannehill otherwise its a wasted pick. Even the best RB's need blocking otherwise they are just 2 to 3 yard per carry guys

Miami has more needs than picks this year, imo, and their biggest needs (OG, ILB) are at positions where the value just isn't there at the 14 slot (unless Scherff is there). With that situation, I'd listen to trade down offers and try to bump down into the low-mid 20's in order to add a 2nd-3rd round pick. From there, you could still draft a stud guard like La'el Collins or a stud ILB like Eric Kendricks, and then have picks in place to grab the other position, plus a high quality CB and WR, in the next 2 rounds.

So... Trade Down

^^^I hear talk that Gurley is Adrian Peterson level.  I completely agree about taking RBs early in the draft, but he is being ranked the 2nd best prospect (behind Winston) in this entire draft.  He may be too good to pass on.

^^^ I think the hype machine has worked Gurley up even higher than he should be. Do I think he can be a stud NFL RB? Sure, in the right situation. Do I see him as being much better than Melvin Gordon? Not really. Besides, Miami has two situations that argue against Gurley. First, Miami is still building its offensive line. Second, Miami already has a very good RB that, despite a mediocre O-line, still churns out one of the best yards per carry average in the league. I think Miami should continue building that line for Lamar to run behind, and add another quality receiver to keep defenses from loading up against the run.

Miami drafts a return specialist with a good family.     >:D

^^^He might be over-hyped, but it's hard to argue against it.  He's built a lot like AP (Height: 6-1. Weight: 222) and has speed like him (40 Time: 4.45).  Just saying, I wouldn't be upset if MIA drafted him.

I agree with MikeO ... I think Gurley is a smokescreen so they can force a trade or hope someone else trades up to get him which would allow someone else to fall.

I have no idea who they'll pick.  I hope it's not RB, because like Mike, I just don't think it's a value position.

I predict that they'll stay at 14.  You just have to give up way too much to move up and we need a playmaker at too many positions to trade down.

Are we seriously going to draft Gurley and make an 1,100 yard rusher a backup? The BEST Running Backs in the NFL rush for 1,300 yards and with a worse YPC than Lamar Miller. Are those 200 yards worth not getting a WR or OG?

Gurley is a luxury and we are poor.

Miller is in the final year of his deal. If the Fins draft Gurley then Miler plays out this year and the Fins won't re-sign him is the message that is being sent. And I get it, Miller is an above average back but no superstar and Gurley could be a special back.  But honestly I don't care who the RB is...if the Fins don't improve the o-line it won't matter. IF Miami takes Gurley then in Rd 2 they better invest in a guard otherwise you aren't helping Gurley (or Tannehill). Dallas Thomas and Billy Turner at guard isn't' good enough. I don't know how many times they have to watch Dallas Thomas get beat until they realize he can't play

Not to mention that Miller was brought in by Jeff Ireland and Mike Tannenbaum owes him nothing.  Tannenbaum!s teams have always featured an elite ruining back

Either you and I have different definitions of the word or you are mistaken. While the Jets had good running backs, I cannot consider any of them elite.

Ladanian Tomlinson was not elite?

In his two years with the Jets, No.

Yeah, when Tomlinson was with the Jets, he was way past his prime.

That's got nothing to do with anything. With that logic Tannenbaum would get rid of the entire team since he brought none of these guys in.

Tanenbaum never had an elite RB in NY.

Sure it does.   Most new coaches/GMs tend to turn over the roster to bring in "their guys". 

He's not the GM he is the president. And the GM and Head Coach is the same as last year. Your stance makes zero sense

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LaCanfora with news on the Phins...(probably ends up being wrong) he is bound to get one right eventually  https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/593483254029746177

Continue to hear Miami very interested in moving up for DeVante Parker. St. Louis at 10th overall a natural match. Rams willing to go down

I think (hope) they stay at #14 because they can adequately address one of their needs there without having to move.  I subscribe to the approach of identify your top few position needs and then take the highest player you have rated at any of those positions when you get to your pick (unless you have one position that is just a huge, glaring weakness that you MUST fill).

Given that, and assuming that Cooper and White are both gone by the time the Fins pick, here is my Rd 1 Wish List in order (based upon who I realistically think might be available).
G Brandon Scherff
WR DeVante Parker
OLB Dante Fowler
CB Trae Waynes

If all 4 of them are gone by #14, I would consider trading back a little bit and try to pick up a 3rd rounder since they don't currently have one.


Just for the hell of it, here is my list of guys that I would jump on in Round 2 if any of them happen to fall that low.
Collins, LSU
Yeldon, Alabama
Beasley, Clemson
Perriman, UCF
Harold, Virginia
Tomlinson, Duke
Kendricks, UCLA
Cann, South Carolina
K. Johnson, Wake Forest
B. Jones, Connecticut

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. 

Fowler will be gone by #3. No chance he gets to 14

I don't know about him being gone by #3, but I'd say he is most likely gone by about #8.  But I threw him in there just because every year someone inexplicably drops and he was just my "wish upon a star" for this year.   ;D   

If the Fins can get Scherff in RD 1, I might even take a look at Jay Ajayi (RB) in Rd 2.

Fowler is a Top 5 player. He won't get out of the Top 5

Would it make you feel better if I said, "You are correct, he will definitely be gone by #5"? Christ almighty, you are as argumentative of a SOB as I am.     ;D

We have too many needs to trade up OR draft a running back. We need a WR, OG, Linebacker and CB. One of those will be available by the 14th pick. If anything, trade down and get more picks.

^^^ Yessir...trade down into the 20's and add a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

I think you could add safety to that positional needs list as well.

I agree except for the part about trading down.  Stay where they are and take the best player available in one of the three or four top positions needed.  If they draft Gurley I would be highly upset, not because he is a running back, but because he has health question marks.

And Stroke we don't need to help your 49ers anymore, we left you guys a good player or two last year when we picked ahead of you.

Make up your mind is he a Top 3 or Top 5 player.   ::)

I said Top 3, but I was trying to be nice to the other person who said he "could" be there at 14 and said no way he makes it out of the Top 5 but he most likely is a Top 3 player in my opinion. The thought of Fowler being on the board at 14 is laughable

Insert Fast Times at Ridgemont High quote...

"My brother's gonna kill us!"
"My brother's gonna shit!"

"Make up your mind, dude, is he gonna shit or is he gonna kill us?"

"First he's gonna shit, then he's gonna kill us!"


Hey, we flip-flop with you guys between #14/#15 in rounds 1-2-5-6 this year, so we have as good a chance to help you as you do to help us. ;D

The bottom line is that I sincerely want both San Francisco and Miami to do well in the draft. The 49ers obviously are priority 1 for me, but I cheer for both teams...

I can only tolerate drafting Gurley if we trade Miller before the draft for a 1st rounder. Taking him and then letting Miller walk in a year seems like a terrible idea.

No team in their right mind would part with a 1st rounder for Miller. Plus Gurley may not be ready till Week 6 or 7, they need Miller

Fins just exercised the 5th year option on Tannehill tonight

Too bad Miller didn't go to Oregon, Kelly would've given up the whole draft for him.

Hot Rumor going around this morning is the Fins give up their 1st (14) and 2nd (47) to the Rams in return for their 1st (10) and 3rd (72) so the Fins can draft Parker.  Trade wouldn't happen till the Rams are on the clock obviously and the Fins are assured Parker is there

In my opinion, I think this draft is too deep with WRs to warrant trading up for one.  And I'm not completely convinced that Parker won't still be there at #14 anyway.  If the Fins hadn't picked up Kenny Stills and Jennings, then they would be desperate enough to trade up to ensure getting one of the top 3 WRs in this draft.  But with their off season signings, they aren't as desperate at WR.  It is still a need that needs to be addressed, but I wouldn't call it their most pressing need now.  I'm just hoping that Scherff is available at #14 but I fear he will be gone by then, most likely to the Giants. 

Word out tonight Gurley will miss at least 1 month of the regular season

My prediction for Miami... Brandon Scherff slides further than expected and Miami can't pass on the best OG in the class.

If Fins can't get Parker, watch out for Nelson Agholor to Fins

Well, so much for Scherff...he goes #5 to Washington.

Not shocked. Safe. No off the field issues. High caliber player. In the NEW NFL you better draft high character people

THANK GOD!!!

If the Saints don't go WR, we got DeVante Parker. Not the biggest position of need, but now this is an elite Receiving corps.

Could be a CB.

Have to go guard now and hope our offense wins games for us and Philbin doesn't have to use his brain during close games.

If one of those 3 MLB's are there at 47 I would grab one. Otherwise trade down and then take a guard maybe

If I were Miami, I'd go MLB in round 2 and then OG in round 3. I think they could get better talent that way.

Just please leave the 49ers either Stephone Anthony or Paul Dawson...

Fins dont' have a 3rd round pick

I'd pick defense and offensive line the rest of the way and I really don't care where on the defense, they need players at every position.

They will take O-line and a RB. Maybe a TE. Linebacker and Safety are only real needs on defense

Hardly. Cam Wake isn't getting any younger. They only have 1 reliable CB. Suh still needs someone next to him. They aren't set at any position.

True...forgot about that while I was wallowing in my misery here.

Still, they can get a decent OG in round 4...

They just signed 2 CB's this offseason both starters for other teams last year. Suh has Mitchell, Johnson, Francis next to him.

They like their DE's with Vernon, Wake, Shelby, Fede. They are really high on Shelby.

You have a view of their defense they don't have. Fins need a LB and a Safety, they aren't looking d-line early. Come Round 5 all best are off take the best guy on the board but rounds 2 and 4 I wouldn't expect a DE or DT, CB is a longshot

But didn't play well enough for either of them to be kept by those teams.

My point exactly.

I like Shelby too, but he still hasn't proven anything.

Which is why they will continue to be let down by it.

What's wrong with Miller and Williams at RB? I mean you can always use another but you have Gillislee and James too. Seems like they have plenty of guys at that position. I could see if you were getting Gurly, but beyond him, they don't really need a RB.

So every free agent that leaves their team sucks? Nice way to look at it SMH!

Whatever, nobody thinks the Fins need a DT or DE in rounds 2 or 4 or early in this draft. They are set at those positions (in everyone's eyes but yours.) Come late you take fliers on guys, fine. But the focus of these next few rounds will be O-line, RB, S, LB (in no special order)

I didn't say they suck, I said they weren't reliable. And I didn't say they needed a DT or DE in round 2 or 4, I said they needed defensive players and they need them at every position. They absolutely should take a LB either in the 2nd or 4th round, but then keep going on the defensive side of the ball. Mix in a guard somewhere along the line. Forget RB. Forget TE. They drafted enough of them in the last 3 years to fill 3 teams.

WHO? They got nothing to show for it. Would rather have a RB or a TE over another DE who won't play or get playing time

The problem with Miami's draft picks for years were they only looked ahead 1 year and never looked down the road. You need to find a guy to replace Cam Wake now, not after he's done playing. I don't mind giving Shelby a shot at it, but nothing wrong with taking another DE to compete too.

They did, it was Dion Jordan. And Vernon the year before. Jordan is gone obvioulsy but Round 2 or 4 isn't the time to think about Wake's replacement when we need starters.  Plus the coaches LOVE Fede and we can take a flier on a DE late in this draft or wait till next year

Well Vernon can't replace Wake unless you then replace Vernon. With Jordan gone for 2015 and lets be real, his career is probably over, you got 2 backups at DE and you play 2 at a time. Dolphins only use 1 RB and they already have 3 backups. Unless they are gonna run the wishbone we don't need another backup.

They are higher on Shelby and Fede more than you think or want to believe.

I don't know who these Dolphins RB's you think we have. They have Miller and then Williams who isn't even a #2 RB in this league, so they really just have Miller

James and Gillislee.

Being high really doesn't convince me. I heard a lot about Shelby in the last 2 preseasons and then didn't see much of him in the regular season. Same with Fede but only last year. When they prove something in the regular season then I'll get high on them, till then find someone else to compete with them.

James and Gillislee is no answer...lol. Sorry to burst your bubble

Shelby is a very good player. You don't watch many games if you don't think he has earned it in the regular season. He is always making plays

Depends on the question. If the question is who is your 3rd and 4th string RBs, those are fine answers.

You've drank the Kool-Aid on this defense. Next year the Dolphins will be in the bottom half of the league on the defensive side of the ball if they don't find some players and they will just get worse as Wake and Grimes get old. I correctly predicted last year Mike that as the Offense got better the defense would get worse. I predict that will happen again this year, unless somebody not on the team right now is a difference maker.

^^^ While I agree that they could use some more meat on the defensive side of the ball, I think you might be underestimating the impact that Ndamukong Suh will have on Miami's front-7. Outside of JJ Watt, I can't think of another defensive player who has more of a positive effect on a defensive unit. He really was the single most important reason that Detroit had the #1 rush defense in the league last year.

That said, if Miami is looking late in the draft for some young "high upside" D-line prospects to groom, there are a couple of small school guys that I really like: Lynden Trail from Norfolk State, and Xavier Williams from Northern Iowa.

Tonight in Rd 2 (assuming Miami doesn't trade out or down) there are only 3 positions they could possibly draft I feel

OG, LB, CB. I would put Linebacker and OG as the bigger needs but if they took Ronald Darby the CB out of FSU I would be fine with that.

MikeO, I'm ready to humbly eat crow and admit you nailed it.  Fowler did indeed go #3 last night.  I figured it would take a miracle for him to be there at #14, but I didn't think he would go #3.  I was thinking around #8.  You were right and I was wrong. 

He was one of the handful of elite players in this draft and all the reports had Tenn and Jax drooling over him. There was never a chance he was going to fall.

What do you guys think about La’el Collins?  Might be worth a 4th rounder for a guy that was supposed to be a 1st rounder.  I think if he was a part of this girl's murder, he would have been arrested by now.

Nope. Without the entire story you can't risk it in the early to mid rounds. In the 6th if the Fins took him I wouldn't be pissed but I hope they don't and honestly I hope they avoid at all costs. Not worth the media circus and headache. I hope he is innocent but I wouldn't take him and I think probably half the teams wouldn't draft him at all

The teams have almost certainly done their own private investigations into the matter. Without having to worry about proper police procedure and ACTUAL guilt, they often have a pretty good idea of whether its worth it to draft a player like that.