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Coming from another thread, someone mentioned that Wilson was in the top 5 QBs.

I'm on the other end of that and find Wilson to not be a very good player, especially in the long term, once Seattle has to pay him.  I'm going to get my theory tested, because he's going to get paid and we'll see how good he really is.

How good do you think Wilson is?

I definitely do not rank him top 5. Off the top of my head I probably put him in the top 10 but really haven't sat down to consider it.

Not the Top 5. That final pass in the super bowl proved that...lol

Good player. Not a great player. 

I wouldn't trade him for Tannehill straight up.  Maybe I need my head examined.

I think the guy is undersized and benefits from having a world class defense and RB, because he doesn't get paid.  But when he does, he will be Doug Flutie.  He'll be decent as a game manager, but he has a very clear ceiling.

Now that it is put this way, I tend to agree as well.

I didn't say he was a top 5 QB, just that I'd take him over Brady.  I like his ability to escape pressure and extend plays, he throws very few INTs (even though everyone only remembers the Superbowl pick), very efficient, and not a complete lying cheating dick.

If I honestly had to rank QBs, present day...

1.  Aaron Rodgers
2.  Andrew Luck
3.  Peyton Manning
4.  Drew Brees
5.  Tony Romo (seriously, look at his stats from last year...off the charts)

I wouldn't put either Tannehill or Wilson in the top-5, but think they both squeak into the top-10. Both are young and promising, but I might put Tanny a notch above Wilson at this point. Put Tannehill on Seattle's team and they are at least as good as they are now. Put Wilson on Miami, and I think Miami takes a tiny, almost imperceptible, step back.

Wilson reminds me a great deal of 2001-era Tom Brady.  And for the same reason, it's hard to criticize Wilson too much about his lack of passing stats; like early Brady, Wilson is running out there with a bunch of #3s as his WR corps.

How many of his receivers would start on Miami?

I think the threat of mobility is something that amplifies Wilson's game.  We saw a bit of that from Tannehill last year, but still not on Wilson's level.

I, too, would not trade Tannehill for Wilson straight up. 

I consider Wilson a decent player, probably top 10 QB's.  But I think if you take his legs away from him he drops significantly.  I figure him to be a niche player in the Vick/Cunningham/Steve Young mold, which is fine.  All quality players.  But in comparison to Brady, Rodgers, etc, he's not even close.

While I certainly share your opinion of Steve Young, the football media felt he was a first-ballot HOFer, which is hardly a niche player.

I think Wilson is closer to Trent Dilfer than Steve Young.

One of those guys (Hint: it's the 49er) is in the Hall if Fame (you were there when he was enshrined) and is one of the most accurate passers in NFL history.

Putting Young in that group is akin to me lumping Dan Marino in with Joe Flacco as being QBs who threw a lot of deep passes.

Fair enough, not saying Russell Wilson = Steve Young.  I really only put Steve Young in there to avoid the semantics police from telling me "what, because he's a black QB?"  Guess that backfired.

The intent was to illustrate Wilson's running aptitude, which Steve Young was also pretty good at.

Yeah, Steve had some pretty decent skills all the way around. He also went to a college that was named after his great-great-great grandfather (Brigham Young), which probably didn't hurt with getting the ladies. ;D

Wilson and Tannehill were pretty even last season, but Wilson has performed at a reasonably high level all 3 years of his career. Tannehill has improved every year, but started considerably lower than Wilson.

I'm not convinced Tannehill is a top 10 quarterback at this point. To make it into that top tier, he has to show that he can continue to perform at a high level and while improvement is always good, it's just not enough if your starting point is sufficiently low.

And that's looking at them as pure passers. Wilson is better with his feet (although Tannehill is very good).

Overall I'd slot Wilson in at around #8 (the top 5 is insane right now and cracking that takes a lot). Tannehill I'd rate a couple of places outside the top 10.

Hard to say, really.

I think the Seahawks are truly blessed with the best homefield advantage in the NFL, and he benefits a lot from that. 

He also benefits from his teammates doing things for him.

Watching him has reminded me of Brady.  He wins, but he gets so lucky, and to quote from somebody on this board, (I think it was Spider-Dan) it seems like other teams just roll over and hand wins to him.

It's unfair to try and compare Wilson or Tannehill to guys that have already played out their careers (Young, Marino, Etc.).  If you go by the throw all the current QB's into a new draft, I'm not sure Wilson would crack the top 10, it would be close though.  Wilson shows signs he could have a HOF career, then again he could become the next Sanchez.

OK, I'm gonna do it, for S&G...

My top 32 QB ranking, based on nothing but off-the-cuff conjecture...

1.   Aaron Rodgers
2.   Peyton Manning
3.   Drew Brees
4.   Andrew Luck
5.   Tom Brady
6.   Matt Ryan
7.   Matthew Stafford
8.   Joe Flacco
9.   Russell Wilson
10.   Cam Newton
11.   Ben Roethlisberger
12.   Nick Foles
13.   Ryan Tannehill
14.   Eli Manning
15.   Tony Romo
16.   Andy Dalton
17.   Phillip Rivers
18.   Alex Smith
19.   Matt Cassel
20.   Sam Bradford
21.   Colin Kaepernick
22.   Teddy Bridgewater
23.   Robert Griffin
24.   Josh McCown
25.   Carson Palmer
26.   Jay Cutler
27.   Brian Hoyer
28.   Marcus Mariota
29.   Geno Smith
30.   Jameis Winston
31.   Blake Bortles
32.   Derek Carr

I find that it is hard to place the rookies that are projected to be starters...

I won't be defending the choices, since they are based on nothing.

I agree that because of his size, he does have a limited ceiling.  However, he makes clutch plays when it matters.  I don't fault him for that pass in the Super Bowl as it should've never been called in the first place.

Big Ben couldn't crack the top 10?

List is so flawed. Can't put Newton ahead of Romo, Big Ben, or Rivers.  AND you damn sure can't have Foles at #11. He has done nothing in the NFL. Foles isn't even in the Top 20 (hence that's why he was traded away for virtually nothing). And having Foles ahead of a guy who won multiple super bowls (Eli ) is downright laughable on every level.

And RGIII ahead of Carson Palmer...give me a break! Dalton ahead of Rivers...please. Rivers has won playoff games, Dalton has been beyond awful and LOST every playoff game he has ever played in. Matt Ryan ahead of Joe Flacco...based on what? Flacco has shined during the playoffs and Ryan has shrunk in playoff games and been bad.

I wonder how long it took him to do that.

Given that he did that completely cold, I think he did a very good job.

It's a poor list that makes no sense. Totally flawed

I don't agree with the list either, but that isn't really the point.

I want to give a shout out to Brian for manning up and putting together a list off the cuff.  It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn good considering it's just based on his immediate gut.

LOL why would you guys criticize Brian for a list he made off cuff, and came out and said "This is list is based on nothing, just my opinion?"

Personally, I think Foles should be somewhere in the 20's, and Romo should be ranked higher.  Other than that, it's pretty spot on.

Agreed. No way in hell Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning or Drew Brees should be sniffing the top 60...

Big Ben at #11 with 2 Super Bowls and Matt Ryan and Stafford at 6 and 7? Rivers at #17 behind Tannehill, Foles, and Dalton? Please

Aside from a few head-scratchers (Foles ahead of Romo, Tanny, Rivers, etc...? Big Ben outside of top-10?), the list isn't that bad. It will obviously require a major edit once Brian sees the new Kaepernick this season<g>, but doing a full QB ranking without researching the stats is a fuzzy bitch anyway.

Typical MikeO response.  Everyone else gets it. 

MikeO does nothing but criticize regardless of the multiple disclaimers, but doesn't maybe post his own list.

Get over yourself.

MikeO, make your list.

Just voicing my opinion. Sorry if you disagree

I will, later today I will post it

Funny - I could say the same to you, but you chose to write 3 paragraphs to tell me how wrong my opinion was.

This is a message board. It's a discussion. I give my opinion, you are free to say you disagree and rip it apart any and all the time if you want. The purpose of a message board is to interact and share thoughts an opinions. Agree. Disagree. Rip it apart. Defend your stance. Support your stance. That's what we all do here every day.

Ya, but you don't have to be a dick about it.  I usually agree with most of the stuff you say, just not the way you say it.

End of discussion.

Being a dick by disagreeing with a list and pointing out where I see flaws and where I disagree? WOW. Some sensitive people around here

MikeO,

If it was just one person saying that you come off as an obnoxious know-it-all who enjoys shitting on other people's opinions, I could see ignoring it. That's not the case here. When an overwhelmingly large number of people all start telling you the same thing, then instead of trying to justify your attitude, perhaps it's time to look in the mirror and ask yourself "How can I tone down my obnoxious know-it-all shitter side and get along with folks a little better?"

Just sayin'...

LOL, whatever! Coming from one of the biggest jerks on this site, I have a tough time taking this post seriously.  I voice an opinion, you can agree or disagree and give it right back to me. If I am so bad and so obnoxious Dave has the power to ban me and get rid of me forever. I would take your grievance up with him in private. As hashing this out here will just resort in a long thread that will not end well.

I put the quotes in bold that might (are) construed as "dickish".  I don't think anyone will disagree with me.

You could have made your points (which are very valid) without all the backhanded insults.  If your goal is to discuss topics, it would go a long way convincing people your stance without insulting them...otherwise you might as well be talking to a wall because no one will take you seriously, i.e. right now, we aren't even discussing your opinion, we're discussing you're disrespect for others.

This thread has gone off the rails and is no longer about QB's and rankings.  The offseason and dead period of the NFL is officially here!!! So what "you consider" dickish is gospel and hard fact...lol

Sorry Dave, I was going to post my list but I don't see the point to now as this thread has turned into a whole different animal and is no longer about the NFL, QB's or sports .

Okay, take your ball and go home, sport.

IF the thread gets back on the topic I will talk about it. If its going to just be about attacking me and my style of writing, well then I will just respond to that.

Im not gonna try and save this thread and get it back on topic. Nobody seems to care...lol. Why should I

I believe enough has been said on this topic.