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Tannehill signed an extension today through 2020. No details leaked yet but I am sure they will come out soon

Breaking news on ESPN...details to come

May be about $15 million per year. More details to come.

...make that 3 threads to combine lol...good news though, glad we have him locked up.

PFT source explaining news so far

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/dolphins-extend-tannehill/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/18/dolphins-extend-tannehill/)

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter ·2 mins2 minutes ago
Dolphins are giving QB Ryan Tanehill a six-year, $96 million extension that includes $45 million guaranteed, per league source.

Fair deal!

I'm happy about this. I've been pleased with his progression and am very happy to say we have him locked in early (Luck nor Wilson have signed extensions from that draft class).

Dang that's a lot, but I guess that's what you should expect for someone on the rise, even if there were no playoff games to be had the last 4 years. Here's to hoping he lives up to that price tag.

Looking at this that falls around Eli Manning or Matt Stafford money for last year.

http://www.foxsports.com/southwest/lists/ranking-nfl-quarterback-salaries-080214#img_36

I'm still a bit fuzzy on what the deal actually is. Some sources have it a six year deal (which would be a renegotiation of the existing deal) and some say four year deal (extension past the remaining two years).

Tannehill had 2 years remaining, so this adds 4.  I believe the numbers are:

2015: $3M
2016 (fifth-year option picked up earlier this year): $16M (verified (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000489009/article/dolphins-exercise-fifthyear-option-on-ryan-tannehill))
2017-2020: $77M
 = $96M total

That's a fair deal then because that's the tier I would place him in right now

Spider nailed it. That's what it is

Thanks for confirming.

I am not sold on Tannehill, but thankfully NFL contracts aren't guaranteed.

If Tanny can post 2014 numbers while being sacked and pressured constantly, then he would throw for 5,000 yards on the Cowboys.

The best part is that Seattle is going to have to throw huge money at Wilson now, perhaps even causing cap problems for them,

This is essentially a 2 year deal then its pay as you go with the bulk of the money from 2018-2020 with lots of outs for Miami after 2 years.

I happy for the deal, it gives Tanny less to worry about, he can focus of football and make his offense better. I think His best years are ahead of him. What is going to make Tanny great is a running game. I hope Lamar Miller continues to improve as well. The offense line will have to keep it going as well.  Tanny is an athlete im excited to see what he can do if his progression keeps going up

Uh, a good portion of contracts are guaranteed... by some accounts it seems almost half his contract is guaranteed.

I'm glad to see the deal get done.  I was skeptical about Tannehill when they drafted him but he has already exceeded my expectations and I think he is still improving.  Not saying he will be in the Hall of Fame some day, but I think he has the ability to be an excellent QB for a long time.  And I'm happy that he is proving me wrong about him!

I had to leave a sub shop at lunch today because some moron in there was loudly engaging everyone in the place about this.  He went on and on about how the Dolphins will never be any good because they keep throwing tons of money at mediocre players (mentioned Mike Wallace), and Tannehill is horrible and he has never been to the playoffs and never had a winning season.....

I wanted to rip the dude, because he is an idiot, but instead I just left. 

You and I both.

^^^^

Wow, I can't believe somebody agrees with me on something here.

I can't get 2013 out of my head. 

I think this is Tannehill's year to prove that his ceiling is higher than Andy Dalton or Joe Flacco (and for the record, I see Flacco as the same as Dalton, but with one really good postseason).

You're not sold on him in what way? That he can be a top 10 QB or that he'll win multiple MVP titles? I can see not being sold on the multiple MVP titles, but top 10 QB? He was last year for the last half of the year with a lousy offensive line and he still has plenty of room to grow. That's the reason for the contract, because if he continues to improve, he's just gonna cost you more later.

Fyi, he's #6 all time in the league for passing yards in a QBs first 3 years.

He's probably also #1 in getting sacked. Perhaps #2 thanks to David Carr's horrifying rookie season for the Texans.

Keep him on his feet this season and he throws for 4,500 yards. Not a stretch of the imagination considering he threw for 4,000 on his back.

I think you are over rating Dalton. Tannehill has already matched Dalton in my opinion, still has a ways to go to reach Flacco.

Dalton has made the playoffs each of the 4 years he has been in the league (with THE BENGALS, mind you) and has been to two Pro Bowls.  That would be two more Pro Bowls than Flacco has made, even though Flacco has been in the league almost twice as long.

I honestly think you're underrating Dalton and overrating Flacco.  I am not that impressed with Flacco's one really good postseason, and I've mentioned similar feelings about Eli.

Dalton not even in the same class as Flacco and Eli.  The guy chokes in the playoffs....no fire..nothing.
Will take Tannehill over him any day. 

Dalton also been blessed with a star receiver and a solid running game those 4 years.  He was good regular season, but abissmal in the playoffs.  This for me puts him in a lower level than the other two QBs and Tannehill seemingly improving each year.

Tell me, of the Ravens and Bengals, which do you consider to be superior in the following categories:

- ownership
- front office/player personnel management
- coaching

Again: Dalton has done this with the Bengals, one of the worst franchises in the league.  Criticize him all you like for failing to win in the playoffs; as far as I'm concerned, regularly making the playoffs with the Bengals is a minor miracle.

I would also like to reiterate that Dalton has made two Pro Bowls, which is some indication of individual performance.  Flacco has yet to make one, and he's been on a bunch of playoff teams, which tells you something about his level of contribution to his team's record.

Just to clarify another thing: I think Flacco is generally overrated, and I think Eli is generally overrated, but that doesn't mean I think Flacco and Eli are equal.  Based solely on the ring factor, many people rate Eli as elite (when he's just good) and Flacco as very good (when he's just above-average).

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14012/andy-dalton (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14012/andy-dalton)

Andy Dalton had the be the 7th alternative to make the Pro Bowl those years. He is the definition of average. His QBR last year was 25 out of 33, that's actually worse than average. I see flashes of brilliance with him and he is practically the 3rd best Bengals QB of all-time, but he is not a Pro Bowler legitimately.

Tanny crushed him last year in pretty much every category except creepy eyebrows.

To each his own, but pro bowls don't do much for me since they are mostly popularity contests and if you are gonna use playoffs as a guide at least look at his numbers in the playoffs and not just the fact he made it to the playoffs. 0-4. Never scored more than 13. 1-6 TD-INT ratio. Highest QB rating of 67. Flacco may have only had 1 stellar post season but these are scary bad numbers.

Opp  Result   Comp Att Pct  Yds Avg TD Int Sck SckY Rate Att Yds Avg TD FUM Lost
@HOU L 10-31  27   42  64.3 257 6.1 0  3   4   33   51.4 3   17  5.7 0  1   0
@HOU L 13-19  14   30  46.7 127 4.2 0  1   2    9   44.7 4   15  3.8 0  --  --
SD   L 10-27  29   51  56.9 334 6.5 1  2   3    8   67.0 5   26  5.2 0  2   1
@IND L 10-26  18   35  51.4 155 4.4 0  0   3   11   63.4 4   34  8.5 0  1   1

This is my point.  Flacco has been on better teams that have won lots of postseason games, and QBs always get credit for their teams' success (deserved or not).  And even with this extra credit, the Pro Bowl selection is getting down to the seventh best QB in the CONFERENCE and they're STILL like, "No thanks Joe, we're good, we won't be needing you in Hawaii this year."

Anyway, the point is less about Dalton vs. Flacco and more about the fact that neither one of them is particularly impressive.  It's clear to me that barring a transformation into a completely different player, Tannehill has no shot to be an elite QB.  I see the absolute  best case scenario at this point being a Rivers- or Romo-level QB (which is certainly good enough for me), but even that would require some substantial improvement on Tannehill's part.

You just hit my 2 "overrated" QB's - similar to your Eli/Flacco discussion.  I have never liked Rivers.  Romo, a bit better, but just seems too reckless with the ball.  I dunno - stats aside, to me, these names are all the same player.  Throw in Alex Smith for good measure while you're at it.

I'll take today's Tannehill, future potential improvement included, over all these guys right now.

Bengals offensive line pass blocking rankings:

2014 - 3rd
2013 - 9th
2012 - 4th

You're correct about the Bengals not being the model franchise. But Dalton has had some help.

They also fielded a top 3 defense in 2012, top 10 in 2013 but they were pretty bad in 2014.

That being said, the Bengals are in one of the toughest divisions in football.

I wonder what Tannehill could accomplish with a top 10 pass blocking offensive line. He's had a bottom of the league unit his entire career.

Not that I have any dog in this fight but one of Dalton's Pro Bowls was because Flacco turned it down. So if we are using that as a measuring stick of the two it should be tied.

Dalton made the team after being voted a seventh alternate during the Pro Bowl voting last month. Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco turned down his first Pro Bowl invitation because his wife, Dana, is due to deliver their third child Tuesday.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12199288/andy-dalton-cincinnati-bengals-named-pro-bowl

And to keep things on topic, I'm very pleased with Tannehill's progression and I think we have a solid starter for a while.

Well, yes, I suppose if you're ignoring stats there isn't much difference?  I mean, lots of players are very similar if you set stats aside.

LMAO!!

You can watch a player over their career and get a feel for if they are a good QB or not.  I like stats as much as the next guy but it doesn't always tell the story, as you mentioned.  Example, swap Joe Flacco and Andy Dalton's teams and which one do YOU think is more successful?  Their numbers are largely circumstantial based on their surroundings, even though they are the same players.

Granted I don't think Flacco is an elite QB, but he is better than I used to think he was.  After the Ravens' defense was almost completely turned over, Ray Rice had a terrible year playing (then suspended), yut they still competed for the playoffs.  So...I give him more credit than previously.  Comparing him with Dalton I think it's a coin toss between the two, just depends on your teams system.

I think if you had Flacco in Cincy he would have won at least 1 playoff game in 4 years, probably more. Put Dalton in Baltimore and no way the Ravens win a Super Bowl or multiple playoff games in that time-span

To me Flacco is a better player and its not even close. Doesn't make Flacco elite or a Top 5 NFL QB, he is just much better than Dalton

How many times have Flacco or Dalton received votes for NFL MVP?  Because Rivers and Romo have both received votes.

That, to me, is the difference.  Rivers and Romo are QBs that can play up to an MVP level for stretches.  Dalton and Flacco are not.

Watching a player and getting a feel is subjective. Stats are objective.

Rivers and Romo are both Top 10 NFL QB's. Rivers has carried his team in playoff games, especially when LT was riding the pine injured and not playing. Rivers played on one leg in an AFC Championship game and showed guts, heart, and had his team almost win it!  Romo's numbers can't be overlooked. All jokes aside about him, he is a legit talent and a Top NFL QB in this league. Both are better than Flacco and Dalton.

I'd love to see your Top 10 QB list.  In the Russell Wilson thread you were quick to hammer Brian over his listing all 32 teams, but too busy to make one yourself.  Perhaps you have time for 10, because I don't see these guys as Top 10 material, Top 20 sure, but not Top 10.

I'll give you mine (separated by tier).

Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Peyton

Luck
Rivers
Romo
Wilson
Big Ben

Newton
(Ryan, Stafford, Eli)

edit: slight changes near the bottom.

I didn't do it because a few people derailed the thread and stopped talking about football. Maybe if this thread stays on topic I will do one. But if you don't think Rivers and Romo are Top 10....I don't know what scrubs you have above them

Rivers is close to Top 10, maybe 12, Romo not so much.  I don't think the 22+ QB's outside the Top 10 are all scrubs.

I named 11 starting QBs (excluding Romo and Rivers).  So you're basically saying you have ALL of those players ahead of both of them, plus a few more (in Romo's case)?
Sorry man, that's crazy talk.

I'll make one post and one post only about this so this thread isn't completely derailed...

Really dude?  It had nothing to do with your rude, insulting, mocking response to Brian's post that got the whole thing off topic?  Okay bud, you keep living in that fantasy world where you're the victim for no reason other than we're a bunch of meanies.

Other than some very minor ranking changes (I think Romo is better than Rivers), I'm pretty much in agreement with you. I think Romo is majorly unappreciated in this thread. 

again, this thread is derailed! Exactly why I didnt post a list last time  ::)

Romo is elite. It's ridiculous that a lot of people base their opinions of him on one or two plays.

Romo is elite, but he still throws at least 1 or 2 passes EVERY game that you just scratch your head and wonder what the hell he was thinking. That is what prevents him from being put on the same level with the greatest in the game.

The only current QB's I can say are truly elite are Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers.

Romo is in that second tier along with Ben Rothlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan and Russell Wilson. 

Have to assume that leaving Andrew Luck out of that first group was an unintended slip?

If leaving him out of both groups was intended, my head-scratching would be loud enough to hear over the internet...

I was wondering what that sound was...

You assumed correctly in that I left him out of both groups unintentionally.   Now that I've had time to think about it, I'd have to place him in between both groups, as his body of work isn't big enough to put him in the first group.  However, if he has another season like the last one, that should be enough to label him as elite.  Anything less than an AFC Championship appearance would be a failure on the part of the Colts. 

As for Ryan Tannehill, I'd say he's in between the second group and the next lower one, as he hasn't had a body of work big enough to read much into either.  Although a playoff appearance for the Dolphins would land him in the second group.

I think that if you were grouping by total body of work so far, then OK, I can understand that. If you are ranking by straight talent, how good they are "right now," then I think you might have to bump him into that first group.

I see where you're coming from.  I remember there being another thread where if you had to have a new "expansion draft" with current players and your team had the top pick, you would take Luck because he's got a better future ahead of him because of his youth. 

But the reason why I'm factoring in total body of work is because what if something happens like he gets seriously injured and the injury has a profound effect on his production/capability going forward?  Then you can't really label him as elite. 

A perfect example of this is Carson Palmer.  Who knows what would've happened with that guy had he not gotten hurt in that playoff game agianst Pittsburgh early in his career.

It's not even so much "his potential for the future" as it is the "right now, 1 game, do I think he has elite talent and capabilities."  The only way I could leave him off any listing of elite QBs is if elite is directly tied to total body of work in the past, and even then, only because he hasn't been around as long.

Still, if I am playing a game tomorrow, and I can have any QB in the NFL for that game, Luck doesn't slip outside my top-5, which I feel makes him an elite QB.

I think this contract reflects more what the Dolphins hope Tannehill will become than what he has done so far. 

Tannehill is a good solid quarterback but not great.  His greatest asset is consistency.  His is consistently okay.   

Very rarely will Tannehill win a game for you, but rarely will he lose a game for you either.  In comparison a guy like Romo or Eli, will at times look like Peyton Manning and at other times look like Ryan Leaf.  Your guy is never that good nor ever that bad.