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Xtra points moved to the 15 yard line. Two point conversions still from the 2 yard line

So basically nothing will change teams will still kick the 1 and not be enticed to go for 2 unless they have to

Stupid, but sure will make things interesting.

Hurts the Dolphins for sure

Defense can score (2) on the 2 pt attempt.

how does it hurt the Dolphins?  ::)

I'll assume he'll say it's cause Sturgis can't make a 30 yard FG (or whatever it actually calculates out to).

A weird wrinkle on the new rule is that a penalty on an extra point kick with the line of scrimmage on the 15 can be carried over to a two-point conversion attempt. So if the D jumps offsides on the extra point try, the offense can elect to go for 2 from the 1 yard line (half the distance) -- or kick with a line of scrimmage on the 10.

Please. His numbers on short kicks aren't bad

That's interesting.

What about personal fouls?  If you get penalized 15 on the XP, do they move it out to the 30?  That becomes a big kick at that point.

Some people are just never happy.  I wonder if there are any players on the Dolphins that he likes...

I feel like this is a rule change just for the sake of changing something.  Its not like the percentage of success from the 32 yard line is appreciably different than that from the 19 yard line.

I agree. I thought he was pretty much money on field goals under 40, it's the longer ones he has had issues with.

A little research numbers:

Kickers were 97.66% from 0-29 yards last season, league wide.  (they don't seperate stats byt the 32 yard line readily)

6 missed FG's, 257 attempts:  Patrick Murray, Blair Walsh, Greg Zuerlein, Josh Brown, Randy Bullock, Shaun Suisham

Extra points: 99.35% last season, 1230 attempts.  8 missed XP's

Jay Feely, Robbie Gould, Kai Forbath, Greg Zeurlein, Shayne Graham, Dan Carpenter, Mason Crosby (2x)

The percentages are 1.7% different, assuming the trend persists, we can expect to roughly 21 additional missed XP this season as a result of this rule change.

Whoopideedoo!!!

Sturgis missed only 1 FG inside 40 yards last season, making him 95.24 % accurate in that range (20/21).  This puts him 14th in the league, behind - you guessed it - Dan Carpenter (95.45%).  Only 11 kickers were perfect from that range, including 2 that only had 2-3 attempts.

Now celebration penalties after touchdowns will be huge.

Also, it hurts the Dolphins, even if ever so slightly because Ghostowski is better than Sturgis. 

That makes zero sense

Because Caleb Sturgis been sucking  ::)

^^ yeah but comparing him to just 1 kicker out of the 31 other kickers, makes no sense. Whatever.

And this rule just dramatically shaped the Superbowl.

And this is why it needs to stick. 

Agreed... Extra points were actually interesting this season. Don't change a thing.

I love the effect the change is having. My only concern is that we will need to revisit the rule again in 5-10 years.

For reference, extra points were successful only 94.1% of time this season, down from 99.3% in 2014. The extra point success rate was around the 97% mark when the NFL last changed things -- in '74 when the goal posts were moved to the back of the endzone. That elicited a drop much like the one we've seen this time around (> 5%) and recovery actually took almost 20 years.

I think we'll see a much faster rebound this time around just going by the massive improvements seen on kicks if less than 40 yards over the past. The 94% seen this year was also quite a bit lower than one might have expected, since field goals of that distance were made 96% of the time both of the seasons prior to that ('13 and '14).

Just going by the general upward trend in short kicks, the extra point success rate will be above 98% in about 5 years.

Not as much as Miami beating New England to end the season. There's little doubt that game cost New England the chance to play in the Super Bowl and I couldn't be happier. Hopefully all the people saying who weren't happy about us winning see that they were wrong.

As far as screwing over the Pats......yeah, you're right. Still not happy we lost a few draft spots, but fuck the Pats.

+1

I didn't think it would make much difference but I'm happy with the change now.

Isn't it ironic that Bill Bellichick was the one pushing for this rule, and now it cost him a shot at a Super Bowl?

I hated the change at the beginning of the season, but now, I like it. 

I don;t think he's one to worry too much abou that. I keep hearing how people say he was stupid for not kicking the FG yesterday but the truth is his decision making has won him far more than it has cost him. I'm sure this will as well seeing as he has one of the best kickers in the league.

I didn't have a problem with going for it on those 4th downs.  There was no way to predict if you get the ball back.  You want to punch it in when you have it, giving the Broncos the ball back with 3 minutes after a FG is typically certain doom.  You won't see the ball again.

That said, I think passing to Edelman short of the sticks on 4th and 1 is a terrible play call.  But its a consequence of a great pass rush and Brady getting hurried all day.

Thought the same thing. I lol'd at the end of the game.