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Title: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: Dolphin-UK on July 05, 2015, 06:31:52 am
There's a rumour going around in the UK (admittedly within the fan community of the club involved) that there will be an announcement next week relating to the move of an NFL to the UK.

The thing which is fuelling the rumours is that the Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur are undergoing a stadium redevelopment and there are rumoured to be some strange elements in the redesign which will come out in the revised planning application on Wednesday such as NFL size locker rooms and some other stuff.

This is very much rumours but I thought it was interesting enough to throw it over here, personally I suspect it's more to do with setting up the stadium to cater for the teams which come over on International Series games so they can use it as a practice facility and that the fans are getting a bit ahead of themselves.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: raptorsfan29 on July 05, 2015, 06:48:17 am
One thing I would want to know about this is, How exactly would the division alignment would work out for a UK based team?


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: MikeO on July 05, 2015, 07:31:50 am
There's a rumour going around in the UK (admittedly within the fan community of the club involved) that there will be an announcement next week relating to the move of an NFL to the UK.

The thing which is fuelling the rumours is that the Premier League club Tottenham Hotspur are undergoing a stadium redevelopment and there are rumoured to be some strange elements in the redesign which will come out in the revised planning application on Wednesday such as NFL size locker rooms and some other stuff.

This is very much rumours but I thought it was interesting enough to throw it over here, personally I suspect it's more to do with setting up the stadium to cater for the teams which come over on International Series games so they can use it as a practice facility and that the fans are getting a bit ahead of themselves.

I see an NFL team in the UK by the end of the decade early part of next decade,not sure if it happens in a year or two. So if a stadium is being renovated and they are making preparations with locker-room size and such and making it "NFL Compatible" now it makes perfect sense.

Not a matter of IF the NFL puts a team in the UK, just a matter of WHEN! Logistic wise its a few years off and they still have to work out some details but if the stadium is beginning the process of making it self NFL Ready that is smart on there part.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: MikeO on July 05, 2015, 07:34:00 am
One thing I would want to know about this is, How exactly would the division alignment would work out for a UK based team?

Honestly wouldn't matter what division they are in. I always believed if you put 1 team in Europe it makes more sense to put 2 teams there. Therefore you could work the scheduling to have a team traveling over the pond to spend a couple weeks and play 2 road games back to back. Makes travel easier when you fly over to get 2 games out of the deal instead of 1


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on July 05, 2015, 02:49:18 pm
Since the team we send over would no doubt be shitty, it makes sense that they play on the same pitch as Tottenham.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on July 05, 2015, 03:30:07 pm
I really don't see this happening.  If you're going to fly a team from the west coast across the pond, that's a huge time difference to adjust to.  It's a five hour difference between London and the east coast.  Eight for the west coast.  That's a long flight with serious jet lag for the team in London and the teams that have to go over there to play them. 

I can see a team in Toronto or Vancouver but not in Europe or the Far East.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: Dolphin-UK on July 05, 2015, 04:18:12 pm
Since the team we send over would no doubt be shitty, it makes sense that they play on the same pitch as Tottenham.

That is just harsh and untrue  :)


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: MikeO on July 05, 2015, 06:37:02 pm
I really don't see this happening.  If you're going to fly a team from the west coast across the pond, that's a huge time difference to adjust to.  It's a five hour difference between London and the east coast.  Eight for the west coast.  That's a long flight with serious jet lag for the team in London and the teams that have to go over there to play them. 

I can see a team in Toronto or Vancouver but not in Europe or the Far East.

It's called "home field advantage"....not fair for the west coast teams to come east and play at 1pm. Not fair for the teams in Florida to play games in the snow. The "time difference" reasoning isn't a good excuse to prevent a team from going there


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: Phishfan on July 06, 2015, 01:37:26 pm
Stupid idea


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: Spider-Dan on July 06, 2015, 06:22:11 pm
MikeO, a 3-hour time difference (after a 5-hour flight) is not remotely the same thing as an 8-hour time difference (after a 10-hour flight).  Playing in the heat, in the snow, or in a loud stadium are things that are considered worthwhile tests of football skill (ability to play in adverse weather).  If being able to play on limited/no sleep was one of these skills, we wouldn't go a week between games.

There are also a host of other issues in fielding a team based in London, not least of which are residential visas, player taxes, labor laws, etc.  This is not a simple or easy undertaking.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: ArtieChokePhin on July 06, 2015, 06:59:43 pm
It's called "home field advantage"....not fair for the west coast teams to come east and play at 1pm. Not fair for the teams in Florida to play games in the snow. The "time difference" reasoning isn't a good excuse to prevent a team from going there

Have you ever done a Transatlantic or Transpacific flight before?   Take a vacation in London or Tokyo, then get back to me



Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: MikeO on July 06, 2015, 10:57:48 pm
MikeO, a 3-hour time difference (after a 5-hour flight) is not remotely the same thing as an 8-hour time difference (after a 10-hour flight).  Playing in the heat, in the snow, or in a loud stadium are things that are considered worthwhile tests of football skill (ability to play in adverse weather).  If being able to play on limited/no sleep was one of these skills, we wouldn't go a week between games.

There are also a host of other issues in fielding a team based in London, not least of which are residential visas, player taxes, labor laws, etc.  This is not a simple or easy undertaking.

That's why it isn't going to happen in a year or two and its going to take till the end of this decade or longer to work out all of the details. But it will happen in time.  They are putting a team there. It's all but been determined now its about figuring out how to make it work. They are gradually putting more games over there each year. They are now gonna gradually remove the BYE week the week after for teams that do play over there to see how they react and hold up. It's a slow process but they are working towards the end goal which is putting a team (or two) in the UK


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: DZA on July 07, 2015, 12:31:30 am
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: MikeO on July 07, 2015, 10:55:00 am
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

I would bet a large sum of money that it does. It has been in the works for a long time now. They don't keep holding more and more games overseas each year for the fun of it. There is a long-term plan they are working on. Shahid Kahn is just tied into one of the worst leases with the a city any sports owner has ever been handcuffed with. Once that lease is up he's gone (unless the state of florida opens the checkbook for him to stay which he can ask Mr. Ross will not happen)


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: Pappy13 on July 07, 2015, 07:59:32 pm
I'm with MikeO here, it's not a question of if it's a question of when. I don't think that the NFL will be putting 2 teams from 1 division over there though. That would be crazy.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: Dolphin-UK on July 08, 2015, 09:34:03 am
http://www.espnfc.com/tottenham-hotspur/story/2515941/tottenham-hotspur-to-stage-nfl-games-at-new-stadium

And here's the news, games to be staged at the new stadium for the next 10 years, 2 peer season but looks like no permanent franchise (yet!)


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: masterfins on July 08, 2015, 11:36:06 am
"retractable grass field" - what the heck is that??


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: fyo on July 09, 2015, 03:16:31 am
It's a grass field which slides out one end of the stadium, in this case revealing an artificial turf field beneath.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: Dolphin-UK on July 09, 2015, 03:52:35 am
It's a grass field which slides out one end of the stadium, in this case revealing an artificial turf field beneath.

I think University of Phoenix stadium has something similar? Look it up on YouTube there's a cool time lapse video.

It give the club the ability to play it's premier league season on grass but moving it for NFL matches and other events to use the artificial grass. Remember the debacle when the grass was ripped up at Wembley when the NFL first went there? This will solve that problem.


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: fyo on July 09, 2015, 07:49:11 am
^^ It should also help for events like concerts where they would traditionally just cover the grass (often ribbed aluminum sheeting).


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on July 20, 2015, 12:06:12 pm
Here is one way to do it.  Sorta. 

Just like the Bills have two stadiums.   Bucs play half their games in Florida half in London.  Any west coast teams would play in Tampa only East Coast teams would play in London. 

East Coast to London is not significantly different than east coast to Sea. 


Title: Re: UK based NFL franchise
Post by: MikeO on July 20, 2015, 12:10:47 pm
Here is one way to do it.  Sorta. 

Just like the Bills have two stadiums.   Bucs play half their games in Florida half in London.  Any west coast teams would play in Tampa only East Coast teams would play in London. 

East Coast to London is not significantly different than east coast to Sea. 

The Bills don't have two stadiums. They played 1 game a year in Toronto for a few years and have now stopped it. Hardly having "2 stadiums" when you give up just 1 home game a year.

Jacksonville is working on getting a deal like  you mentioned above though. Half their home games or 1 more than half need to be played in Jacksonville to fulfill their lease agreement. But the rest of their "home games" will be played in London. Shahid Kahn has been pushing for that for a couple years now, hasn't been able to make it work .....yet.