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Title: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on August 31, 2015, 06:04:42 pm
Miami Herald reporting Jamil Douglas has pulled ahead of Billy Turner for the starting RG position.

Thomas has locked up the starting LG spot.

Fox is cleared to play but probably will be held out this Thursday's game incase he has to play Week 1 at LT


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 31, 2015, 08:59:41 pm
New reports show that Albert may not be ready until Week 3, which is obviously bad news.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on August 31, 2015, 09:12:58 pm
New reports show that Albert may not be ready until Week 3, which is obviously bad news.

False reporter per the Fins. Looks like Albert will miss week 1 but could go by week 2. Not a given he misses Week 1 either


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on August 31, 2015, 10:42:43 pm
That would be fantastic, gotta start off 2-0 and that's a lot easier without Jason Fox starting at LT.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: CF DolFan on September 01, 2015, 11:10:11 am
Albert laughed about him missing three games and said it was news to him. He said don't believe it until you hear him say it and he doesn't know when he will be ready. Reiterated it could be the first game.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Brian Fein on September 01, 2015, 11:29:44 am
I thought Thomas actually wasn't awful at LT.  Not nearly as bad as he was last season at RT.
Maybe he will be OK.  Apparently he is better on the left side, according to analysts.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: CF DolFan on September 01, 2015, 02:38:01 pm
Quote
Hal Habib @gunnerhal
Reporter: Have you been as consistent as you want to be?
Billy Turner: At times I have. At times I haven't.

HAHAHAHA


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 07, 2015, 11:34:24 am
Jason Fox not practicing today. If Albert can't go Sunday Fins will have to use a 3rd string LT Week 1


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on September 07, 2015, 02:21:35 pm
If Fox is still not even practicing, then it must've been a pretty severe concussion and I don't think it would be crazy to say he won't be able to play for quite awhile. Hopefully, it's not needed.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: CF DolFan on September 07, 2015, 11:06:37 pm
Albert is hopeful that he is playing. He may be on a pitch count based on being in shape but I'm guessing he plays.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 09, 2015, 11:26:12 am
As of now it looks like Albert WILL start Sunday. Might be on a snap count and might not play every series at LT.

Jamar Taylor is probably going to miss the game Sunday at CB


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: CF DolFan on September 09, 2015, 01:45:03 pm
Albert is in the starting lineup for Sunday's game. I don;t think they will pull him unless they feel like they need to.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on September 09, 2015, 02:18:06 pm
The thing about pulling Albert is that he has no backup, only the emergency one which is Dallas Thomas. So, we move our LG to LT and then what? If we pull Albert because we are up big, I hope that means we pull Tanny too.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 14, 2015, 08:42:11 am
PFF Grades for the Dolphins Week 1 game vs Skins yesterday. Out of the 4 worst players yesterday 3 were on the o-line

Dead Last was Jamil Douglas (and he was dead last by a lot). One spot ahead of him was Dallas Thomas. Then 4th was Branden Albert.

Until that o-line is fixed (probably won't be this year) this offense will struggle. Even teams with a mediocre defense will have success against the Fins. A team like the Bills will eat the Dolphins alive


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: CF DolFan on September 14, 2015, 08:57:31 am
PFF Grades for the Dolphins Week 1 game vs Skins yesterday. Out of the 4 worst players yesterday 3 were on the o-line

Dead Last was Jamil Douglas (and he was dead last by a lot). One spot ahead of him was Dallas Thomas. Then 4th was Branden Albert.

Until that o-line is fixed (probably won't be this year) this offense will struggle. Even teams with a mediocre defense will have success against the Fins. A team like the Bills will eat the Dolphins alive
It was only one game and we won playing horrible which I do take as a positive.   With that said there wasn't anything to get excited about on the O-line. It is still very bad after 4 years. Doing the same thing and yet expecting different results is insanity right?   Many of the concerns we had about o-line, linebacker and tight end were confirmed yesterday. Sadly I'm pretty sure that Tannehill will be learning a new offense next year. 


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: masterfins on September 14, 2015, 12:49:27 pm

Until that o-line is fixed (probably won't be this year) this offense will struggle. Even teams with a mediocre defense will have success against the Fins. A team like the Bills will eat the Dolphins alive

I'd cut the O-line a little slack since it was the first game the group actually played together in their respective positions.  BUT, they better get their act together very quickly because I watched the Buffalo game yesterday and their defense is nasty, lots of blitzes.  In two weeks they may be scrapping Tanny off the turf.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on September 14, 2015, 01:56:45 pm
Very few teams if any can say they have 2 Pro Bowlers on their O-Line and a future one in RT James. Still, our O-Line is a wreck. It almost seems impossible.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 14, 2015, 02:00:20 pm
Very few teams if any can say they have 2 Pro Bowlers on their O-Line and a future one in RT James. Still, our O-Line is a wreck. It almost seems impossible.

I wouldn't say James is a "future pro bowler"....far from it. Nice player. Good player. Dependable player but nothing special. And if Albert doesn't return to the form with this knee injury (some guys are never the same) then he isn't a pro bowler anymore either. Time will tell with him for sure, but with James I don't see him as anything more than an above average right tackle.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 21, 2015, 11:43:02 am
Who didn't see this coming. Saw this issue in April

Per the Miami Herald:
The play of young guards also has been disappointing. According to Pro Football Focus, rookie right guard Jamil Douglas ranks 72nd and left guard Dallas Thomas ranks 74th among 84 guards. Douglas, through two games, has allowed seven quarterback hurries, fourth-most among guards.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Dolphster on September 21, 2015, 11:59:10 am
Meanwhile, La'el Collins is getting more and more meaningful snaps at Guard for the Cowgirls. 


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 21, 2015, 07:49:29 pm
Talk of moving Pouncey back to guard making the rounds tonight and putting in the back-up center again cause Douglas and Thomas are so bad!


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Finz4eva on September 21, 2015, 08:00:06 pm
They should've signed a Guard and Tackle after all the other teams cutdown to 53. There had to be better Tackles available than Fox.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on September 21, 2015, 08:26:49 pm
Pouncey didn't do a great job at Guard last year, so this would be one step forward, one step back.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 24, 2015, 12:29:37 pm
doesn't look like Albert is playing Sunday. Rex is gonna destroy this o-line

Miller looks to be out as well


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Dolphster on September 24, 2015, 02:09:03 pm
doesn't look like Albert is playing Sunday. Rex is gonna destroy this o-line

Miller looks to be out as well

Yeah, for Tannehill's own safety, I almost wish he wasn't playing this week either. 


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: fyo on September 25, 2015, 09:32:03 am
Rex is gonna destroy this o-line

The Bills' d-line has been horrible so far this year. We're only two games in, so there's a huge "limited sample size" caveat, but they've stopped exactly 0% of all short yardage conversions (2 yards or less). They are 30th in the league in getting tackles for no gain or a loss. Clearly, their line hasn't gotten ANY push. They also aren't doing well in the pass rushing department, although of course pretty much anything is better than Miami.

The Bills would seem to be the PERFECT team to play with a weak offensive line.

Fearing the Jets, that I can understand. They've been absolutely dominant. 50% more sacks than the Bills on significantly fewer drop-backs and  they lead the league in runs stuffed.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 25, 2015, 09:35:20 am
The Bills' d-line has been horrible so far this year. We're only two games in, so there's a huge "limited sample size" caveat, but they've stopped exactly 0% of all short yardage conversions (2 yards or less). They are 30th in the league in getting tackles for no gain or a loss. Clearly, their line hasn't gotten ANY push. They also aren't doing well in the pass rushing department, although of course pretty much anything is better than Miami.

The Bills would seem to be the PERFECT team to play with a weak offensive line.

Fearing the Jets, that I can understand. They've been absolutely dominant. 50% more sacks than the Bills on significantly fewer drop-backs and  they lead the league in runs stuffed.

With no Branden Albert I think most SEC and Big 10 teams would have success against the Fins o-line. Less about the Bills d-line. More to do with starting 3 garbage players in Fox, Thomas, Douglas. And another guy in James who has been horrible the first 2 games.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Fau Teixeira on September 25, 2015, 09:44:17 am
With no Branden Albert I think most SEC and Big 10 teams would have success against the Fins o-line. Less about the Bills d-line. More to do with starting 3 garbage players in Fox, Thomas, Douglas. And another guy in James who has been horrible the first 2 games.

Fox, Thomas, Douglas, James and a backup center would be a dominant O-line in the college game .. they would very literally be unstoppable .. even against a team of SEC all-star d-lineman


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 25, 2015, 10:57:16 am
Fox, Thomas, Douglas, James and a backup center would be a dominant O-line in the college game .. they would very literally be unstoppable .. even against a team of SEC all-star d-lineman

Too bad in the NFL they all suck


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Rich on September 25, 2015, 11:09:24 am
Tannehill was pressured 44% of plays against Jax, expect that number to go up against Buffalo.... amazing because 44% is extremely high.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 27, 2015, 03:20:25 pm
Albert OUT today

Turner isn't active....cause he sucks! Says a lot that he isn't active anymore. Time to.cut him and move on


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Tenshot13 on September 27, 2015, 03:36:59 pm
Albert OUT today

Turner isn't active....cause he sucks! Says a lot that he isn't active anymore. Time to.cut him and move on
Well...shit.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 27, 2015, 03:58:15 pm
Jordan Phillips also inactive.  We have to he the worst drafting team in the league


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 30, 2015, 10:28:58 am
Jamil Douglas ranked 74 out of 75 guards. Never played the right side before until the Fins moved him to RG in the middle of training camp. He completely missed guys on Sunday and let defenders who were right in front of him come in untouched and hit Tannehill. With all of that said....the coaches feel he is better than Billy Turner and are sticking with Douglas per Philbin yesterday.

Billy Turner must be the worst offensive linemen of all time!!


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: masterfins on September 30, 2015, 12:16:22 pm
^^^Just out of curiosity, who was 75th??

Also, 32 teams times 2 guards per team = 64.  Wow, that makes him really bad.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on September 30, 2015, 12:20:07 pm
^^^Just out of curiosity, who was 75th??

Also, 32 teams times 2 guards per team = 64.  Wow, that makes him really bad.

No idea who 75th is....I would bet a $1 its Dallas Thomas...lol

Actually I think Dallas is ranked 72nd I read on Monday


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on September 30, 2015, 02:42:19 pm
Albert is supposedly day to day with a hamstring but it's not looking good. Team would probably be best served to not play him so he has 2 weeks to rest. Read in a few places that Jason Fox wasn't terrible, so.....yah?


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on October 01, 2015, 11:10:34 am
Miami Herald Reporting that Billy Turner isn't starting over Douglas because Turner doesn't use the "technique" that offensive line coach John Benton likes.  Turner said its very different than what he used in college and in college he just used straight up power.

Not shocking a Div IAA player can't pick up NFL techniques and is a total project if not a a total bust. Another wasted 3rd round pick


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: CF DolFan on October 01, 2015, 12:05:28 pm
Albert is supposedly day to day with a hamstring but it's not looking good. Team would probably be best served to not play him so he has 2 weeks to rest. Read in a few places that Jason Fox wasn't terrible, so.....yah?
Albert is practicing today in full pads so it looks like he will be playing.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: masterfins on October 01, 2015, 12:11:05 pm
Miami Herald Reporting that Billy Turner isn't starting over Douglas because Turner doesn't use the "technique" that offensive line coach John Benton likes.  Turner said its very different than what he used in college and in college he just used straight up power.

Not shocking a Div IAA player can't pick up NFL techniques and is a total project if not a a total bust. Another wasted 3rd round pick

The O-Line coaching has sucked!!  Normally I'd probably go along with Benton, but this just comes across as a coaches' ego getting in the way, same as Philbin has been for over three years.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on October 02, 2015, 12:03:35 pm
Albert not playing Sunday.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: masterfins on October 02, 2015, 12:26:30 pm
Albert not playing Sunday.


GOOD.  No point in having him stay injured just to try and save a coach's job; like Long & Sparano.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Dolphster on October 02, 2015, 12:50:43 pm
I'm glad they are sitting him too.  With a bye next week, let him heal up.  I'd much rather have him healthy the rest of the year than risk making the injury worse by putting him out there this week. 


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on October 02, 2015, 04:55:43 pm
I will be driving back from Connecticut for a wedding. I consider myself fortunate.


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: MikeO on October 03, 2015, 03:48:15 am
I'm glad they are sitting him too.  With a bye next week, let him heal up.  I'd much rather have him healthy the rest of the year than risk making the injury worse by putting him out there this week. 

Rest of the year might not matter. If they get to 1-5 or 1-6 or so and have an interim coach should just put Albert on IR and end his season. I mean what's the point of playing him when the outcome of the games are meaningless in a lost season


Title: Re: o-line news
Post by: Pappy13 on October 03, 2015, 10:39:43 pm
Miami Herald Reporting that Billy Turner isn't starting over Douglas because Turner doesn't use the "technique" that offensive line coach John Benton likes.  Turner said its very different than what he used in college and in college he just used straight up power.

Not shocking a Div IAA player can't pick up NFL techniques and is a total project if not a a total bust. Another wasted 3rd round pick
Find a way to coach the kid up. Maybe you have to let a little bit of his "technique" slide and continue work on it. This is the problem with the coaching staff. They don't have any idea how to coach. You can't simply say well he doesn't do it right so he's out, you have to figure out a way to blend what he does well with what you want him to do and keep working on it. Maybe it's not perfect technique right now, so you continue to work on it and in the mean time you find a way to make use of what he does well and knows. Dolphins have LOUSY teachers.