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Title: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Pappy13 on September 21, 2015, 12:57:50 am
Maybe Brees had good reason to want him gone. Not saying he's a bust just yet, but he's been extremely disappointing so far. He's getting totally outplayed by Mathews.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 21, 2015, 03:46:22 am
Stills has 3 receptions for 20 yards through 2 games.

The idea that he could replace Wallace has basically collapsed.  The receiving corps was extremely promising entering the season, but so far it has not been impressive at all.  Jennings has also been a disappointment.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: mecadonzilla on September 21, 2015, 04:05:14 am
I can't declare any of the new additions bad decisions yet.  However, I'd bet Tannehill would have a better chance of completing passes to the new guys if he had more than 3 seconds to throw a pass.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: MikeO on September 21, 2015, 06:02:01 am
This is getting silly. Still a good trade cause they got a young WR on a rookie contract who makes almost no money.

Considering the way this franchise drafts Stills is better than anyone they would have taken in Rd 3. The WR corps is fine and not an issue through 2 games.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Phishfan on September 21, 2015, 09:38:59 am
Stills has 3 receptions for 20 yards through 2 games.

The idea that he could replace Wallace has basically collapsed. 

Seems pretty Wallace like during his time here.  :'(


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: CF DolFan on September 21, 2015, 09:41:40 am
Wallace was 3 receptions for 38 yards so $ for $ we are way ahead!!


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 21, 2015, 12:03:32 pm
You'll forgive me if I'm not overjoyed at all the money Stephen Ross is saving.  :P


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: MikeO on September 21, 2015, 12:20:03 pm
You'll forgive me if I'm not overjoyed at all the money Stephen Ross is saving.  :P

More to do with cap space savings and how they can manage the cap than saving Stephen Ross a couple bucks in his bank account


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 21, 2015, 12:24:29 pm
Is this the "look at all the cap space they saved by not signing Evan Mathis" argument?

The salary cap exists to be used.  What quality move did Miami make with the cap space that they freed up by trading Wallace?  Keep in mind that Suh was signed before Wallace was traded.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: MikeO on September 21, 2015, 12:40:19 pm
Is this the "look at all the cap space they saved by not signing Evan Mathis" argument?

The salary cap exists to be used.  What quality move did Miami make with the cap space that they freed up by trading Wallace?  Keep in mind that Suh was signed before Wallace was traded.

IF you believe that Stills and Wallace are the same player essentially then why not take the younger one who plays for far less than Wallace. Plus Wallace clearly didn't get along with the staff and teammates after he quit on them and had to be moved. The Dolphins are deep at WR, and Stills is fine. Not like he is out there running bad routs and dropping balls. Stills isn't the problem

The Evan Mathis situation is different. It was a piss poor GM and head coach thinking they didn't need him and what they had  at guard was good enough.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 21, 2015, 01:12:59 pm
IF you believe that Stills and Wallace are the same player
I don't.

Through the first two games of last year, Wallace had 12 receptions for 137 yards and 2 TDs.  Now, you can argue about Stills' numbers through the first two games of last year, or Wallace's numbers through the first two games of this year, but Tannehill is no Brees and Bridgewater is no Tannehill.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: MikeO on September 21, 2015, 01:44:53 pm
I don't.

Through the first two games of last year, Wallace had 12 receptions for 137 yards and 2 TDs.  Now, you can argue about Stills' numbers through the first two games of last year, or Wallace's numbers through the first two games of this year, but Tannehill is no Brees and Bridgewater is no Tannehill.

Until Still QUITS on his team and walks off the field in the middle of a game this argument is silly. Wallace had to go for many reasons


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on September 21, 2015, 01:52:57 pm
Wallace was considered a number 1 here so he got the bulk of the targets. Stills is not a number 1 so I am failing to see why we have such an issue with him today. The receivers are the least of this teams problems.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 21, 2015, 02:20:14 pm
Until Still QUITS on his team and walks off the field in the middle of a game this argument is silly. Wallace had to go for many reasons
In that case, I hope you are preparing for the inevitable trade of Suh for pennies on the dollar, after he ignored Coyle's playcalling (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-ndamukong-suh-dolphins-20150921-story.html).


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: CF DolFan on September 21, 2015, 03:26:10 pm
In that case, I hope you are preparing for the inevitable trade of Suh for pennies on the dollar, after he ignored Coyle's playcalling (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-ndamukong-suh-dolphins-20150921-story.html).
Unlike the stories of Wallace ... according to coach he did not.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: MikeO on September 21, 2015, 03:51:50 pm
In that case, I hope you are preparing for the inevitable trade of Suh for pennies on the dollar, after he ignored Coyle's playcalling (http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-ndamukong-suh-dolphins-20150921-story.html).

I know I posted that story here earlier today regarding Suh. And the coaches are saying it didn't happen and its a false story.


Title: Re: That trade for Kenny Stills not looking so hot anymore.
Post by: Dolphster on September 21, 2015, 04:29:04 pm
I'm sure hoping it is a false story.  Because if it is true, it represents a huge problem on multiple levels.  It would show that even the players have given up on Coyle (wasn't there some kind of small mutiny last year on defense?) and even if they don't have any faith in Coyle, you can't have players going rogue and making up their own freaking plays and assignments in the middle of a game.