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So, Philbin will probably keep his job due to a lack of replacements, but it doesn't matter anyway. Everyone knows Philbin is gone in 12 games anyway, this just further upsets the players and makes them not give a shit.

Which teams have multiple first rounders next year that would perhaps like to trade up into the Top 3?

The Eagles have two 2nds and a 1st but they will be in contention for a top spot already. I think they and us have the lowest (or close to it) scoring teams in the NFL. Coincidence?

I just looked and I may have it backwards. I think the Rams have two in the second. The way they are playing they might end up towards picking late but they will have the Eagles 2nd.

Look for a team with a crazy owner who needs a QB and they will mortgage the future and give up multiple first rounders for years to come to get to the top of the draft to take Cook or Goff.

Enter: Cleveland, Washington, Buffalo, NY Jets

(and YES I would trade with the Bills and Jets if they are dumb enough to give us multiple first round picks for years to come to get a franchise QB at the top of the draft)

Oh yeah, have to make our team stronger first and worry about divisional opponents second. Bills have a short window anyway, by the time the franchise QB came along, they lost half their defense due to cap restrictions.

I do think the Eagles will get better though. Not great, but their division sucks with the Cowboys losing a star player every week and the Giants giving away games. So, they shouldn't be in the running for a Top 3 pick.

I've been more patient with Philbin than probably just about anybody here.  But even I'm saying that they should let him go during the bye week.  Not that I think anyone else is going to make them play better.  But someone else might at least make them play harder.  The final straw for me was what probably seemed like a very minor thing yesterday.  The Fins were in the middle of getting their asses whipped and had just committed another stupid penalty.  The camera cuts to Philbin on the sideline and he has this big stupid smile on his face like he thinks it is funny that they just committed another lack of discipline penalty.  I am sure everyone gets tired of me harping on "God Shula" all the time.....but could you in your wildest imagination see Don Shula smiling about a penalty?  And even after every game this year, as the team is falling apart, Philbin just takes a casual approach to everything  He reminds me of the very young Kevin Bacon character is Animal House when the parade goes out of control and everyone is running around screaming and chaos is breaking out and he just keeps yelling, "Remain calm, all is well!"    To listen to and watch Philbin, you would think this team is 3-1, not 1-3.   If I was Ross, I would be foaming at the mouth to have spent all this money and gotten zero return on his investment.  

It's 3pm and how has Coyle NOT been Fired yet?

Just curious!

^He's hiding with the linebackers.  Those guys have been no where to be seen since the start of the season.

Thank you for coming up with the most succinct way of putting what I've been thinking.

Is the Coyle firing confirmed yet?

To me, this was the #1 move that should have been made even if it meant keeping Philbin.

Philbin made his move. According to what I read Campbell is in charge of the staff now and has the authority to fire Coyle.

I don't know if it is coming though.

Problem is - Campbell is a TE's coach, probably knows a lot about the offense and nothing about the defense.  Which means Coyle stays.

He knows players and he knows who the players respect in that locker room. He is an alpha male who has a great relationship with the players. He even mentioned there would be some more changes coming.

I think they are just giving Coyle & Lazor time to seek another job, or quit on their own.

Beyond silly comment. No coach can seek another job in the middle of the season   ::)

Also, no coach would quit. They would write their own death sentence in the NFL as a coach. Look at Doug Marrone. He quit the Bills and nobody wanted him and he took some crappy o-line coach position in Jacksonville as it was all he was all that was offered to him. He was pretty much blacklisted for being a quitter

Bill Cowher quit.
Tony Dungy quit.
I doubt either one would have trouble finding work as a head coach.

Marrone can't find work because he overestimated his value; he apparently thought he did a great job in Buffalo, when in reality his performance was Just Good Enough Not To Get Fired (Yet).

They didn't quit they retired  ::)

mid season?

Marrone didn't quit mid season.  He had the option to end his contract if the team was sold, and he took it.

MikeO, NFL coaches only "retire" until a) they feel like coaching again or b) nobody wants them any more because they are too old.  In any case, both Bill Parcells (NE) and Bill Belichick (NYJ) straight up quit, and they had no problem finding another coaching job.

How did Parcells and Belichick get brought up? You mentioned Cowher and Dungy who both RETIRED...they didn't quit. They retired cause they both finally won a Super Bowl and they were old and accomplished everything they ever wanted to accomplish. That's the stupidest analogy you have ever made on this website.

Parcells and Belichick have fingers filled with super bowl rings. To think Lazor and Coyle (and throw in Marrone) are on their level and can get away what those 2 get away with is FOOLISH!!! Not to mention advocating quitting their job 1 month into the season!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Belichick and Parcells NEVER quit in the middle of the season , they left when the season was over....a little different! And comparing super bowl winning coaches to 2 career assistants who aren't even any good is real stretch!

You are smarter than this Spider! Do you just want to argue for the sake of arguing cause you can't honestly believe what you are typing! It's beyond silly

Absolutely correct, sir.

If you're a desirable head coach, you can quit (or "retire" and come back, as Parcells has done repeatedly) and find a job.  Quitting on the Jets didn't seem to pose a problem for Belichick who, at the time, had only a failed stint in Cleveland on his head coaching resume.

The problem is not "being a quitter."  The problem is that Marrone is not a desirable head coach.  To point as Marrone (as you did) as an example of anything but "don't leave one job unless you're good enough to get a better one" is dumb.  That's the reason why Lazor and Coyle won't quit: because they aren't good enough to get better jobs, not because of some silliness about quitting on the job.

Your making zero sense. I'm sorry Spider I like ya but you are making zero sense. You claimed Cowher and Dungy quit...they didn't. Now your bring up Parcells, who quit after the season and putting him on the same level as Coyle and Lazor which is silly. And the Belichick situation is so unique and such a one time thing where a coach had 2 job offers, took one then 24 hours later backed out and took the other is just strange and hasn't happened before or since, so to compare it to anything in this debate is silly. You are really stretching. But whatever, believe what you want. Done with this silly conversation

Is this clown fired yet?

Can't find a replacement for him. They reached out to Jim Schwartz and he said no. With that leaking though they HAVE to fire Coyle now anyway. So he will be gone soon

Mark Duffner is sitting in Davie waiting to get promoted.

Yeah, if there is any validity to the story about them offering the gig to Schwartz and it has been leaked publicly, then keeping Coyle is no longer an option.  You can't keep the guy after it has been made known that you offered his job to someone else. 

like the time we did that to Sparano?

Spider you are bringing up irrelevant examples.  Contention if a coach quits midseason he will have troube ever getting another job.

your counter examples of bb and bp makes no sense cause 1 it was the end of the season 2. They already had jobs lined up when they quit ---document fact with bp; and pretty obvious with bb

Exactly.  That was a terrible situation all around.  If I remember correctly, one of the prospective coaches (was it Cowher?) supposedly even said that he didn't want to talk to Ross and crew while they had a coach in place. 

The only people who will have trouble getting another job, based on how they left the last one, are people who would have trouble getting another job no matter what.  I'll leave it at that.

And now with this Schwartz/Coyle stuff, we are seeing classic Stephen Ross in action: float names for replacements before you fire the incumbent.  Miami will now be to desirable NFL coaches what Seattle is to NBA franchises: a bargaining chip to be used for leverage in real negotiations, but never a legitimate destination.