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Wow.  Talk about a short leash.  That seems like quite an overreaction.

I wouldn't call it a short leash.

He was on a short leash, but after two years of relative success, they took him off the leash entirely.  And his first action was to trash the entire front yard.

He had one bad year after two 10 win seasons?  He made a move to try to get a qb that didn't work out.  Was he supposed to stick with Sanchez? Foles is awful, what other free agent qbs could he have gotten.

He didn't make "one move"; he made many moves and ran all of their offensive skill players out of town.

He was fired because his first action after assuming GM duties was to blow up the team.

Desean Jackson has 528 yards receiving this year.  Kiko alonso was supposed to be a good linebacker.

If Kelly had kept DJax, McCoy, Foles, and Maclin, and was still 6-9 right now, he'd still have a job and could ship them off this offseason.

Kelly's problem is precisely that he chose to sell high on all of his skill players, and he got bums in return.  Basically, if you are going to blow up a (again, relatively) successful team because you are just that much smarter than the previous GM, you'd better show immediate results.

Kelly went way over the top trying to prove how smart he was, and he's not that smart.

edit: Blowing up the team was only part of the problem.  The other part was the transparently idiotic moves he made to rebuild it.

You want to get rid of Nick Foles?  Fine.  But why trade Nick Foles and draft picks (!!!) to the Rams for Sam Bradford and his ridiculous contract?
You want to get rid of LeSean McCoy?  OK, I guess, but then why give a monster contract to DeMarco Murray, who is clearly worse?

No, hes not that smart and but compared to a lot of other coaches he isn't stupid. Who are the eagles going to replace him with?  They just fired a coach who took over a 4-12 team and led them to a 26-21 record. 

They obviously can't keep him as the GM, because he's horrible at it.  So what should the Eagles do... demote him back down to coach only?  Kelly has no reason to agree to a pay cut with that demotion, as he will get the money even if he's fired.

Let him learn from his mistakes? He was GM for one year, there is no reason to take that away regardless of how bad it was. I would welcome him with open arms in Miami.

He doesn't seem to think he made any mistakes, so it's hard to see how he's learned from them.  According to Kelly, they barely made any changes at all. (https://twitter.com/gregauman/status/666993225341775872)

I'm also not sure how making the playoffs once (and immediately losing) makes Kelly some sort of genius, and I certainly don't see why anyone would want him over Sean Payton.  Not only were the pre-Payton Saints worse than the pre-Kelly Eagles, Payton did more with them.

Tell me why Chip Kelly after 3 years has been better than Tony Sparano after 3 years.

Sparqno was one game over 500 and Kelly is 5 games over. Seems like a pretty simple answer. And if there records were close, which they aren't, Kelly was a proven winning college coach. The same reason a 1st rd qb gets 4 years but a 4th rd pick gets one.

Having back to back ten win seasons is pretty good.

I'm all for the Dolphins hiring Chip Kelly.  It won't cost any draft picks, he has NFL head coaching experience, and he's not a bad coach.  Just don't make him the GM.  Miami needs to grab him up before other teams fire their coaches and go after him.

Sparano inherited a significantly worse team, which you specifically mentioned as a relevant factor.  Also, Sparano was 25-23 (.521), while Kelly is 26-21 (.553).  If Kelly is any better than Sparano, it certainly isn't by much... and I don't know that "barely better than Tony Sparano after 3 years!" is any sort of ringing endorsement.

In any case, Kelly shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath as Sean Payton.

Yes. That makes sense. Just kidding.  Sparano had a healthy Chad Pennington for his only winning season. Sean Payton had Drew Brees. Chip Kelly had mark Sanchez nick foles and Sam Bradford. In a qb driven league he had nobody.

Chip Kelly the GM got Chip Kelly the coach fired.

You say that as if Chad Pennington made a single Pro Bowl in his career.

More than that, give any coach a QB that throws 27 TDs and 2 INTs and they will do pretty well, so it's hard to lay the blame at the foot of poor QB play.

Yes, Chip Kelly turned a shit QB hot for 10 games. How has he done in his other 25 NFL starts? Maybe you should go back to explaining how a coach who averages 1.3 more wins/season is "barely" better than a different coach.

Foles' passer rating with the Eagles before Kelly arrived was 79.1.
His passer rating with the Eagles as a starter in 2014 (with Chip Kelly) was 81.4.
So I guess Kelly gets the credit for Foles' good games, but none of the blame for his bad ones?

To put this in perspective: how did Kelly's handpicked replacements for Foles do?

The casual observer might fail to notice that in order to arrive at that "1.3 more wins/season" number, you can't compare Kelly's first three seasons to Sparano's first three seasons (as we have been doing this whole thread); such a comparison would tell you that Kelly won 0.33 more games per season.  To come up with that number, you had to add in his last 4-9 season.

So again, as I just said: tell me why Chip Kelly after 3 years has been better than Tony Sparano after 3 years.  If your answer is, "He won an extra one-third of a game per season and his winning percentage was .032 better," you have made my argument for me.

I don't want another Tony Sparano but with one extra win every 3 years.

What was Foles qb rating in St. Louis where he got benched?  and was your argument that Foles is a good qb or a bad qb.  You flip flop so much is it hard to tell.  And his handpicked qbs???  Who Mike Vick, Mark Sanchez.  It isn't like franchise QBs go in free agency every year.  Sam bradford is better than foles. 

Sparano was 25-23 with back to back losing seasons.  Kelly was 26-21 with one losing season and having a great college coaching career.  so his record was .5wins a season better than Sparano. 

It doesn't matter what team Kelly goes to, I bet they will have a better record than the Eagles next year.  TBH i don't even like Chip Kelly, but they eagles made a mistake getting rid of him.  WGAF what Demarco Murray says about him.  He is probably going to be out of the league in 2years. 

Chip Kelly wasn't coaching STL, so I'm not sure how that matters.  Nor did Chip Kelly handpick who stays and goes in St. Louis.

See, the major problem you can't avoid is that every single player on the Eagles in 2015 was on the team because Chip Kelly, and he alone, decided not to get rid of him.  When you're the one buying the groceries, you don't get to use your roster as an excuse for why you sucked.  Especially when your team was dramatically better when you weren't in control of the roster.

Even if I agreed with that, Sam Bradford is clearly NOT better than Nick Foles + a second-round draft pick + $12 million of cap space... which is what Kelly gave up when he traded Foles for Bradford.

Your math needs work.

26 wins - 25 wins = 1 win
Divide 1 win by three seasons and you get one-third of a win per season, not one-half.
But once more, the fact that you think that saying, "No!  Chip Kelly had an additional ONE-HALF WIN per season compared to Sparano!" counts as a solid rebuttal makes my argument for me.

Keep in mind that Sparano inherited a much worse team than Kelly did (and again, you're the one who brought up quality of inherited team as a significant factor).

Chip Kelly had a great college coaching career?  Then maybe he should go back to college (https://twitter.com/FanSince09/status/650136472331292672).

Yes. We can just ignore the one game chip doesn't get to coach Amirite. So 23 losses -21 losses is 2 so 2/3 is .66. Or we can take his winning percentage to get to .5. Nobody can turn a roster over in one year. Lol at ever player on the roster was there because of chip Kelly when he just took over personnel that year.