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Figured we should have one thread to discuss everything as this may go on for a while.

Mike Shanahan is scheduled to meet with the Miami Dolphins for a second time. Apparently he met December 22nd for his first interview. One interesting tidbit to this is that they have "leaked" the fact he wanted to draft Tannehill over RGIII. 


Other coaches being looked at are Dan Campbell, Adam Gase, Jim Mora Jr., Teryl Austin, Mike Smith, Doug Marrone Dirk Koetter. I for the life of me can't understand why Josh McDaniels is not on anyone's list for Miami unless he has said he won't work for a division rival.

Doug Marrone would bring Jim Schwartz with him, so..... sounds good to me. Problem is Marrone clashed with Buffalo management over drafting and power, so I don't know how he would do with Tannenbaum.

McDaniels had a bad first stint and coaches from the Belichick tree don't usually fare well, so that could be a reason.

Id like chip Kelly or give Dan Campbell one year. I don't want Shula or hue Jackson.

The list keeps growing and McDaniels is on the list. Miami requesting HC interviews with Pats OC Josh McDaniels, Pats DC Matt Patricia, Bills asst HC Anthony Lynn, per sources.

Matt Patricia would be a good hire .. he's got a rocking beard .. that  alone is good for a win or two

I don't see how anyone can think about keeping Campbell if you don't have a GM.  Who wants to work for him?  And what coordinators would he get?

You need one "football guy" to be in charge.  Who is that guy?  Are you hiring that guy?  Are you getting a cook who also buys the groceries?

No more coordinators with no previous experience.

Not sure what you mean. We just promoted Chris Grier to General Manager.  He's been with the Dolphins for 15 years and has been their director of college scouting for the past eight seasons. He was with the Patriots for 5 years prior to that.

With that said ... I'd love to know who Campbell could get as coordinators. I'm sure that will be a topic of discussion but don;t know if we will ever hear about it.

But we do have a GM...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/04/dolphins-announce-chris-grier-is-new-general-manager/ (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/01/04/dolphins-announce-chris-grier-is-new-general-manager/)

Just my meaningless 2 cents on whose names are being mentioned.

I do think it's interesting Chris Grier saying the dysfunction of the past 10 years is over.. :o

-I've always hated Mike Shanahan,and I don't know but I just do.Knowing that he's been interviewed,and being interviewed again tomorrow,I'm somewhat torn and an intrigued (because of what he said about Tannehill)

- I can't see the Patriots giving us permission to their coaches.

-Dan Campbell - My biggest issue I have with him is....ummm...It didn't seem,or feel like to me,our opponent each week mattered,the game plan was the same.We're gonna try to be more physical,tougher,and run the ball.I'm not a fan of that message,and feel especially in today's' NFL (today's young players),that message wears thing really fast.I think that message sounds great during a press conference,but I feel those things tend to be triats,you are or you aren't (for the Most Part!)

They mentioned during the broadcast Campbell said that motivating his coaching staff,and coaches was hard draining (something like that).I feel that is part of the problem with that message. I don't want him as out permanent coach.

For me it's about the traits that the coach preaches,I'd like to hear out next coach preach things like.
-Intelligence
-Understanding/taking advantage/creating match ups
-playing smart,while playing fast
-and unity as a team.

I don't have a clue who I want,more of who I don't want.

Pretty sure that sounds an awful lot like Joe Philbin. I'm not big into what they preach, I'm into results. Are they able to get guys to perform, yes or no. I don't care what you preach, it's more about what you're able to instill. Philbin talked a great game in my opinion, the problem is that it was just talk and it never really materialized on the field.

Unless there was a change to the rules, a team cannot stop a coach from interviewing for what would equate to a promotion on another team.

That's a rule? I always thought that it was an unspoken rule that if a coordinator has a chance to become a head coach, the team let's him interview out of courtesy. I didn't know they had to.

Nothing unspoken about it...that rule is written in ink.

Ok let me rephrase that,I don't see the Patriots Coordinators agreeing to the interview with the Dolphins. ( @AdamSchefter: AFC East looks: Miami requesting HC interviews with Pats OC Josh McDaniels, Pats DC Matt Patricia, Bills asst HC Anthony Lynn, per sources. When I see tweets like this makes me think some is going to deny us  :D )

Yeah it probably does sound like what Philbin wanted,but he failed for a litany of reasons.

I feel results vary too much based upon factors you can't always control.You have to have a plan,and know the process to best execute that plan.

I also feel Mike Tannenbaum' vision/plan is run the ball and play good defense coach,and I think a lot of names being thrown out there more for show.

I think I'm being unclear.  Someone needs the keys to the castle?  Is it Grier?  If it's him, let him pick the coach.  But how are we promoting a guy who has existed all this time in a broken system to run things?

Learn something new every day.

Well, I imagine McDaniels will probably hold off until the Pats are out of the playoffs or the season ends. I can't see Belichick being too happy with him if he blows off preparing for the playoffs for another job, especially with a division rival.

^^^^^ they have a bye week so this is the week you would interview those guys.

This is just my personal theory, he is a figure head at the position. Tannebaum is the guy in charge and the Dolphins "promoted" from within and filled the Rooney rule in one shot.

I agree, and that's what I meant when I said you couldn't hire Campbell.  Where would the power come from?

That is what makes a Campbell type hire more possible as they obviously aren't looking for someone who wants the GM too or even final say on who is brought in.

Tannenbaum definitely has the keys.  Which is why I'm surprised Hickey was let go, or perhaps they just wanted to use him as a fall guy.

I just want a HC that the players RESPECT, and fear a little bit.  Heck I'd be alright with hiring Coughlin as a temp for two years until the roster improves.

We need a smart football mind, the respect will come with winning. We need great coaching all around and it's shown the past....umm, 20 years or so that it's hard to win without great coaching.

Philbin was incredibly bad at the single most important job of a head coach: managing your players and getting them to deliver their best performance.

During Philbin's reign, on three separate occasions Miami shipped off their best player at a position because Philbin refused (or was unable) to coach them.  That is what I remember most from the Philbin era.

Say what you want about Cam Cameron, but at least he didn't engineer trades to get Miami's best players out of town.

Shanahan would work wonders with the Dolphins offense, with Lamar Miller as his one-cut runner, Tannehill as his play-action bootleg QB, and the mobile linemen who are already in place providing the cut blocks.

If you want to make the most out of what you already got, you hire Shanahan and re-sign Lamar Miller.

They are conducting the interviews in Dolphin Headquarters of New York City. Who knew?

Miami Dolphins
60 Columbus Circle
New York, NY, 10023


Armando - The club is currently in the process of interviewing Detroit Lions defensive coordinator Teryl Austin. The Austin interview is logical because he interviewed for multiple jobs last year and will interview for others this year. He is, by most accounts, an impressive individual.

What that means is this is a legit thing, folks.

Having said that, Austin is black. So once this interview is over, the Dolphins will have met the Rooney Rule requirement that must be met before hiring a new coach.

After today, the Dolphins will have interviewed three candidates -- Mike Smith on Monday, Shanahan this morning and Austin this afternoon.

I don't get all this love for Sean Payton.  The Saints have sucked the past two seasons, losing many games they should have won easily.  Payton was just lucky to get Brees when he was at the top of his game.

They can have Kenny Stills back.  >:D

God, I hate the Rooney Rule. It's such awful pandering and insulting. I would feel terrible as a black man being interviewed, thinking it's only because of my skin color.

The Saints missed the playoffs in 2014 while playing in one of the worst divisions in football. A 7-8-1 record by Carolina won the division.

You have an all time great QB and you can't win a division in which all the other teams were under .500?

The saints have been in salary cap hell for a while haven't they?

That can happen when you have the absolute worst defense in the league.

Again, see here for how all of these variables combine to contribute to winning:

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2007/07/what-makes-teams-win-part-1.html

Quarterback play is definitely driving the bus, but pass defense isn't far behind -- you also have to contend with the other team's quarterback.

And in terms of opposing teams' QB rating and yards per pass attempt, the Saints were worst in the league, and by a fairly significant margin.

For example, opposing teams' QB rating against the Saints was 116.  The next-worst pass defense in the league in that regard surrendered a QB rating of 102, and the average team surrendered a QB rating of only 88.

Drew Brees, although playing largely like his customary self throughout the year, was certainly up against it.

How much say does Payton have in personnel?

Doesn't matter. He should be able to squeak out 8 wins in that division....

Well, Payton doesn't matter anymore...he's staying in NO.

Thankfully. I wasn't high on the guy.

He already won a Superbowl and since no coach has ever won a Superbowl with two different teams...

He had a scandal with Bountygate. There are rumors that he's a pill popper. And he couldn't win the weakest division in football despite having a future Hall of Famer playing QB at an elite level.

The only problem is that this class of coaches is pretty weak. I think the likelihood of us getting a good one is low. Hope I am wrong.

I find it more insulting that the rich white owners in the NFL would never even consider interviewing a black person.  The rule is needed for a certain period of time to give qualified black people a chance to get positions as OC, DC, & HC positions, and eventually it will have served out its purpose.

I think that time is now.  There are many successful black coaches.  I would like to think that the owners wouldn't hire someone  just because they're black in this day and age.

And if there are owners who exist that wouldn't hire a black man, forcing them to interview a black man won't change that. They are not going to have an awakening and change their racist ways just because they met Hue Jackson.

Even if Payton wasn't coming here, it's good to have lots of options for leverage purposes, not to mention you won't have 8 teams fighting over one guy. If the trade price for Payton was too high, then we leak some talks with other coaches in hopes of driving it down.

That's gone now though. Right now, I would prefer Doug Marrone if he brings along Jim Schwartz. Marrone was apparently an egomaniac, but I hope this season humbled him.

So ... the rumor is Lovie Smith was fired becuase of the Dolpins.

Report: Dolphins interest in Dirk Koetter led to upheaval in Tampa Bay
Andrew Abramson

http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2016/01/07/report-dolphins-interest-in-dirk-koetter-led-to-upheaval-in-tampa-bay/

Just when it seemed all of the Dolphins coaching candidates had been revealed, another has popped up. And it might have to led to some major upheaval in Tampa Bay.

The Buccaneers surprising fired coach Lovie Smith late Wednesday night after just two seasons in Tampa Bay.

It’s already being speculated that the Bucs made the moves so they could promote offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter, who is popular in the Tampa Bay locker room and helped develop rookie quarterback Jameis Winston.

But did the Dolphins help spur the moves?

The Tampa Bay Times’ Rick Stroud reports that “Koetter is in play as a candidate for the Dolphins.”

As the Dolphins interest peaked, the Buccaneers ownership and general manager Jason Licht “felt they had to move quickly,” according to the Times.

And now NFL Network reports that the Dolphins have requested to interview Koetter.

Koetter has also been linked to the Eagles opening, but he hasn’t interviewed for the job.

He was previously offensive coordinator of the Jaguars and Falcons and head coach at Boise State and Arizona.

Dolphins head executive Mike Tannenbaum, who was an agent in between his time with the Jets and Dolphins, was Koetter’s agent.

Tannenbaum also represented Cincinnati offensive coordinator Hue Jackson, who is scheduled to meet with the Dolphins on Sunday.

You’d have to think Koetter is most likely to remain in Tampa Bay as the Buccaneers coach after the Bucs cleared the way for his hire by firing Smith.

Tampa Bay still has to go through an interview process and follow the Rooney Rule.

It if the owner is blatantly racist, then sure they aren't going to hire a black person regardless.  But racism or prejudice exists on many levels, sometimes subconsciously.  So doing the interviews breaks down some of that barrier, and although they may not be considered for that particular HC job, they may be considered for other jobs.

Part of the reason the Rooney Rule exists is to give coaches the opportunity to impress management.

It should be obvious that the NFL is highly incestuous when it comes to the hiring of head coaches and coordinators; teams love to hire retreads.  So the Rooney Rule gives minority coaches the chance to at least interview for a position and make a case.  Even in the instances where it's purely a formality and the new head coach is essentially already determined, if a candidate interviews really well, it can get out and raise his stock (or, in the case of someone like Ted Cottrell, lower it).

Good points.  It's basically designed to counter the tendency for people to avoid interviewing minority coaches, if that's their inclination.  The rule prevents people from engaging in that avoidance.

Without commenting directly on the Rooney Rule and its effects, I would like to make the point that the number one issue for a prospective job applicant is to actually get an interview. Studies have shown that when people whose applications were initially rejected are "injected" into the interview process, their odds of landing the job are similar to those who passed the screening process.

Just a rumor and a wish from fans but the idea of Coughlin with asst' head Coach Campbell is being floated around a few outlets.

that would be cool

Sources from inside the Dolphins are saying Adam Gase is the Dolphions favorite at this point. According to a poll on the Miami Herald 70% of fans (over 7,500 votes at the time of this post) are NOT ok with hiring him.

Herald says he would be the 8th consecutive coach we hired with no previous head coaching experience.

My motto with this team is "Whatever". Nothing they do surprises or excites me. So, this guy deserves a fair shot and he will be given one. Hope he does great if he is picked.

Edgecrusher.


If gase  was such a good leader and potential head coach why would Denver let him go?  I hope gase doesn't get it.

Also seems kind of stupid for the herald to include interim coaches in their number.

Looking more and more like its Gase. ESPN reporting they are close to finalizing the terms of the contract.  I can't say I see what he has done to be the most sought after guy. I'm guessing that is why Ross wants him. Thank you, we have already counted your vote.

Would you be OK with the Dolphins hiring highly regarded Adam Gase despite his lack of head-coaching experience?

Yes  40.27%  (3,885 votes)
 
No  59.73%  (5,762 votes)
 
Total Votes: 9,647

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article53798170.html#storylink=cpy

The latest poll results.

Dan Campbell signed with New Orleans as Tight Ends/Asst Head Coach.

Joe Philbin hired by the Colts to be their O-Line Coach. I know that Joe was originally an O-Line coach, but having seen him in Miami for over 3 years, either he has "lost his touch" or never even tried making the Line better as a head coach. Either way, Colts are a trainwreck with a great QB. If the AFC South wasn't so terrible, I would actually say Miami is in a better position to compete.

^ Turns out having a great quarterback isn't ALL you need...

I'm a bit surprised Philbin didn't try for a college head coaching gig. I don't recall all that many head coaches who went back to being a position coach, especially one who also went through the coordinator job.

Disappointing, I was hoping he would be kept around as Asst HC for the Phins.

This amazes me.  The Dolphins O-line was horrendous under Philbin.  Why on earth would the Colts, with maybe a worse O-line than Miami, sign Philbin???