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Just an observation, nothing against his talents or what he might bring, but my initial "gut" reaction to this guy? He has that Joe Philbin deer-in-the-headlights look.  I sure as hell hope I'm wrong

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On paper, this is the kind of guy I want.

He's apparently incredibly smart, which I like.  I hope he can motivate and I hope that he can break the mold of punting on 3rd down, like the NFL has become.

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The thing about head coaches in this day age, in my opinion at least, is that they need to provide an intellectual advantage over the opposition, which puts their team in greater position to win.

The "rah rah" stuff, on the other hand, needs to be provided by leaders among the players.

Dan Campbell was great with the "rah rah," but look what happened when the leadership among the players was poor -- it lasted two games.

Here's a great video clip in my opinion of how this works on an NFL team, when everything is moving the right direction.  Notice here how Cowher's message is short and sweet, and the real "umph" comes from the leaders among the players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpOG9K02F_g&noredirect=1

Now compare that to this:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/Coach-Campbells-Victory-Speech-Over-Philadelphia/2b2c877a-d46c-4ddc-9732-cbfa89cafb36

I'm looking forward to this new beginning.

Have not been sure what to make of this guy. All I will do is hope for the best regardless of this team's ineptitude in the past.

Obviously player talent is very important, but what I admire most about Belichick (and what was most surprising about the first Wildcat game) is that he prepares his team for contingencies.  Really, as a head coach, your job should be:

1) Manage the clock.  I have no idea why more coaches don't hire a specific clock coach, and it's puzzling because many HCs are VERY BAD at this.
2) Prepare your team for unusual scenarios like taking a knee instead of scoring, eligible receiver shenanigans, goofy formations, etc.
3) Manage and motivate your players to achieve their best performance on gameday (which includes when and how you practice).

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While he might not end up as the next great coach,enough football people (outside the Miami Dolphins organization),can't stop saying enough good things about him.We did  a lot of interviews,but Unlike Philbin,he was one of our 1st choices.He wasn't well everyone else is going other places,we need to hurry and hire someone,because all the top choices are off the board.

Coaches should appropriately empower the right players to lead. The problem in Miami is that anyone who wanted to lead that didn't do so exactly how Philbin wanted was jettisoned. That left the locker room with few if any leaders.


That's an anecdotal comparison. It doesn't mean this is exactly how it works all the time.

Arguably the best college football coach in history, Nick Saban, is not a rah rah guy. He does yell but that doesn't have anything to do with it. First and foremost, he is a great leader and secobdly a great teacher. You can study all you want but if your players don't buy into it then you are screwed. At times Bellichick has some of the biggest a-holes in the league believing in him and playing within the parameters he sets. It is done out of respect ... not rah rah. 

With that said you still need team leaders and that is something we sorely miss. Mostly because we haven't had a coach that handle anyone who would qualify as a leader.

And we have a quarterback who is not a leader.

There also really hasn't been any one who would qualify as a leader.  To qualify as a leader, a player must first be good, and he must show selflessness, a strong work ethic, an ability to make plays in the clutch to help the team win in those crucial situations, and an ability to inspire his teammates vocally and emotionally.

That player hasn't existed on this team in recent years.  Cameron Wake is about the closest fit, and I don't think he inspires his teammates vocally and emotionally.  He may inspire them by example, but he's not the Ray Lewis-esque leader type who inspires directly in that way.

Contrary to seemingly popular belief, Brandon Marshall, Reggie Bush, Jake Long, Karlos Dansby, and Vontae Davis were not those players, either.  They were the best the team had at the time, but they were far from the prototypical mold.

I know this is your usual Tannehill trolling, but this is certainly one area where he needs to step up. Not necessarily rah rah rah, but leadership by demanding and expecting that those around him work as hard as he does -- and tries as hard as he does. Fortunately, his chemistry with the two young receivers looks like it's great and that will go  a long ways. Now it's mainly the oline...

You have a catch-22 here though.  You can't demand better play from those around you unless yours is beyond repute.  Tannehill is nowhere near that echelon.

The qualities of a leader I mentioned above, as applied to Tannehill:

Good player:  sometimes.
Selflessness:  check.
Strong work ethic:  check.
Ability to make plays in the clutch:  woeful.
Vocal and emotional inspiration:  woeful.

He's got two and a half of the five.

Bull. And since I was expecting that bull from either you or Run, I very specifically wrote "demanding and expecting those around him work as hard as he does".

That you went ahead with the bull anyway just proves the point that you're full of it.

More paranoia.... :D

No. You clearly have an agenda. You come in and try to sound analytical, but you've been cherry-picking, ignoring anything that doesn't suit your preconceptions. This is just another one of those situations. I clearly state that Tannehill should demand that those around him work as hard as he does. You even ADMIT that Tannehill's effort and work ethic is great. Yet you still come out with a bunch of bull about, attacking a straw man (instead of what I actually said).

The normal term for that is a troll.

You may be one of the more eloquent trolls, but the smell is certainly strong.

I wouldn't say he is selfless considering the whole practice squad thing. Tannehill is the frat boy who has had everything on s silver spoon his whole life.

I started to see a glimmer of this towards the end of the year. He was getting sacked and getting pissed at his o line about it.  I'm pissed he hasn't been more of a leader yet, but I think he has the potential to be one moving forward. He has next year to prove it. If he can't show he's the real deal, then see ya later Ryan Tannehill.

The Gase contract was constructed such that Ryan Tannehill may not be the only first-round quarterback he's coaching for the Miami Dolphins.

And anybody who watched the end of that Cardinals/Packers game yesterday -- and who isn't wearing rose-colored glasses -- has to be wondering whether Ryan Tannehill could possibly help this team be highly competitive deep into the playoffs.  That game consisted of winning plays from the quarterback position, involving escaping pressure with movement and making throws downfield, the types of plays Tannehill has been very, very rarely capable of.

I agree.  Let's change that one to "questionable," rather than "check."

Believe me- I'm the last one to start talking up RT, but in the interest of accuracy, wasn't that "whole practice squad thing," squashed as being basically made up and untrue? If you're hanging your hat on that to evaluate his selflessness, it's a pretty weak stance.

I am concerned that they made this decision too fast

Are you referring to when the QB of the winning team, in the 4th quarter:

- threw an interception in the end zone
- threw ANOTHER red zone pass directly to a DB (that was dropped)
- threw a third pass that was deflected by a DB and was miraculously caught by a WR in a sea of DBs for the go-ahead TD

And then, in OT, threw a 15-yard out that was taken 60 extra yards by his receiver, followed by handing the ball off to the same receiver for a GW rushing TD?

Rodgers played great... and lost.  Palmer played like garbage at "the end of that Cardinals/Packers game," and his team won in spite of him.

The incident actually did happen, and the comment about the practice squad trophy was said. The only untrue thing that was reported was his comments on the practice squad players' checks.  

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25330467/ryan-tannehill-calls-scout-team-report-slanderous-admits-to-trophy-comment

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13829459/dolphins-qb-ryan-tannehill-admits-ripping-scout-squad-denies-belittling-teammate-paycheck

The most impactful plays from the time the Packers were down 20-13 on 4th and 20 from their own end zone were made by quarterbacks (both Rodgers and Palmer) who evaded pressure with movement and hit receivers downfield.

Again, those kinds of plays are very, very rarely made by Ryan Tannehill.  He far more often succumbs to pressure, rather than evading it with movement and making a play in the face of it.

And that's a problem, because those are the plays that are needed from the quarterback position in the NFL -- when things break down and the QB is still able to make something of it.  Tannehill needs everything to unfold "from script."

I just don't get why you make such an important decision so quickly. 

Proves my point that you can't measure quarterbacks by a team stat. 

What about the drive that put ARI up 20-13 in the first place?
What about the drive before that in which Palmer threw an INT in the GB end zone?

Larry Fitzgerald was 15 yards from the line of scrimmage.  If that counts as "throwing downfield" then I'm sure I can find plenty of examples of Tannehill scrambling and "throwing downfield."

So is it your position that Tannehill's ability to evade pressure with movement and make plays under those conditions is exceptionally good?

Is there a statistic you feel could be used to measure quarterbacks?

I will answer that one later, first I want an answer to my question.

Why do you hire a new coach so quickly?  How can you be sure right away he is the right fit?

I think your keyboard malfunctioned.

Just out of curiosity, do you have any statistics to back that up?

Pro Football Focus has Tannehill as the third best quarterback in the league under pressure (for 2015, anyway):

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/05/20/qbs-in-focus-under-pressure/

I found a different page on PFF where they break down the 2014 numbers. Here they have Tannehill as the fourth best on scrambles and third best on rollouts.

Basically, I'm struggling to find any statistic that substantiates your claim. Looks like Tannehill is almost elite on those plays, just going by PFF. (That's not necessarily my own impression, but whatever).

Nope, no statistics.  Merely observational.  I could be as prone to confirmation bias in this area as anyone else is when making observations that aren't checked with objective data.

Be warned once again. This thread is not an analytical thread about Ryan Tannehill (nor Rodgers and Palmer especially). Keep it on topic guys or it's getting shut down. I'm tired of seeing every thread come back to the same discussion. Start the appropriate threads for the appropriate topics and you won't hear this anymore.

When various threads tend to gravitate to the same topic, it gives you some idea of where the fans believe the fortunes of the team largely hinge.

I'll do my part to fix this in a moment.

When various threads tend to gravitate to the same topic, it means that the same few people like to argue about the exact same thing, no matter where they happen to be at the time.

On a thread-related note: I have always been a big fan of hiring up-and-coming young coaches to be the team's head coach. Gase definitely fits the mold I'm looking for, so I am glad Miami got him. Hopefully, the front office won't sabotage him tooooo much.

Not necessarily, because if the topic they were arguing about was irrelevant to the team's success, no one would respond.

If someone continually brought up John Denney's expertise in punt coverage, for example, I doubt much of a back-and-forth would ensue.  Bring up the team's ambiguous quarterback on the other hand, and due to its relationship with the team's future success, as well as its relationship with the new head coach (Gase's apparently having been hired in large part to improve the quarterback), you'll get strong sentiments.

Anyway, there is now a Ryan Tannehill thread.  Participate in or avoid it at will. :)

There was. Just creating a topic with nothing in it is a waste of space. You need to have some input to create a topic. Otherwise we just have a ton of topics listed with no insight.

Ah, well, sorry.  I guess no good deed goes unpunished.

More like: No meaningless scribble goes unerased. ;)

Yeah, well, there's probably a nicer way to do it.  But since we're all anonymous here, I guess consideration for others' feelings goes out the window.

What's your definition of quickly??  Every team that had a coaching vacancy has filled the spot; and some of those teams hadn't decided to let their HC go until the last week or two of the season.  Miami fired Philbin 3 months ago.  Do you think they were twiddling their fingers until the end of the season before they started their coaching search???

You should start a message board and choose that nicer way. You could call it www.thestatisticsmakemesleepy .com


Hardly anonymous at all. A large number of the members live here in South Florida and see each other from time to time. A lot of the non-local members have come down for TDMMC tailgate parties and events as well. Of the people you see posting up here, I've probably met around 20-30 of them.

I have met one person on this site, who is no longer a poster here.  I wish I could meet more but I live in MA. 

Ah, well then I stand corrected.  Many people know each other, and some are assholes nonetheless. :D

If if they aren't, they at least have one.

But the only important thing of the story is that Tannehill was upset because the defensive backs were not doing what they were suppose to be doing. They were freelancing when the offense was working on a particular play or look or whatever. Tom Brady wouldn't need to be upset because if a defensive back on the Patriots was freelancing when the offense was trying to work on something that player would have been escorted to the locker room and then to his car without his playbook. If the Dolphins had a decent head coach the same thing would have happened in Miami, but alas the head coach in Miami at the time didn't want Tannehill as his QB. No wonder the defense could give a rats ass about what they were suppose to be doing and were fucking around and no wonder Tannehill was pissed about it. If those same players that were screwing around in practice ever did actually make an INT when it counts then maybe Tannehill wouldn't have made the comment on practice squad trophy in the first place.

I don't remember seeing this earlier in the thread, and if it is...my humble apologies for the redundancy. I just heard that Adam Gase is now the youngest head coach in the NFL at 37 years old.


I suppose that's true with any large group of people. Is there a specific statistic you like in this area of social dynamics? There is a 62% chance that I will either mock or ignore it, and a 97.2% chance that Spidey will have an opposing opinion on the subject.  ;)

Seems low.

Valid point...I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt.  ;)