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One of these guys is gonna be as happy as a kid in a candy store.  The other will go home with a crying towel. 

Being a Bucs fan, my heart says Denver.  But my head says Carolina

If I was channeling my inner Stephen King, I'd say that your heart is sitting in a chair, while your head is just hunkering down. ;)

Definitely won't be crying over a loss. Carolina put together a fantastic season, and Cam is the league MVP. To have done as much as they have after losing KB in the preseason and Luke for a few games has just been unbelievable.

I'm feeling SUPER!!!! Another game going in as the underdog. No loss here. Shattered dreams to Carolina if they gag this one away..

I'm with Denver Bronco on this one. Cant stand Cam. Go Peyton.

I don't get the hate on Cam. Is it a jealously thing or a racial thing or what?

I don't hate Cam...I actually think he's one of the best young players in the game today. If I were to guess why others hate on him, the reasons might include one or more of the following:

1)  That humongous cheesy-ass plastic smile. It's annoying, and makes me wonder what he's hiding - or if one of his ancestors possibly had sex with a shark.
2)  Highlights of his time at the University of Florida included charges of burglary, obstruction and 3 separate cases of academic cheating.
3)  Highlights of his time at Auburn included a blatant "pay for play" situation, resulting in new roofs and all sorts of prosperity for his father's 5 formerly-struggling Pentecostal churches.
3a)  Sub-point to the point above: One of the churches his Bishop* father oversees is named "Holy Zion Holiness." If that brand doesn't aggravate the hell out of you, then I suggest translating it into whichever non-English language you're most comfortable with.
4) Every single Oikos yogurt commercial he's ever been in.

* At first, I thought the title of Bishop was self-applied, but then I saw him at a press conference and every move he made was in a diagonal direction. He really is a Bishop...

Yup it's a racial thing.  I don't like Cam because he's black.  ::) ::) ::)

Out of Strokes list, it would be #1

I don't know too much about him but my hate for Cam started a while ago where he was just a hot headed fool that blamed everyone for problems on the football field.

I hate him because of the crap he pulled at Florida and Auburn.  He might be a great player but he's not a good citizen

Well, he was never accused of sexual assault. Of all the people on this board, I would think you'd be the least vocal.

Honestly, how many people do a ton of bone-headed dumb-ass stuff in college? You guys that ignore the tons of philanthropic work he does now and ignore the fact that he's matured and grown quite a bit in the decade since that stuff happened amaze me. He's never been associated with a drug issue, a domestic issue, a cheating scandal, and the guy who was pouting on the sidelines in seasons past has grown up to be a leader.

"accused of sexual assault" is a crime now? I thought it was innocent until proven guilty?

Lol ... I agree with you about Newton. it does seem like he has cleaned up his act as well as Winston. All I can say is thank God I'm not judged everyday off my youth. If Cam newton continues to do what he is doing then like Brady, people will be forced to admit is regardless of what reason they use to dislike him.

I will say I hate that people use race to accuse that's why people dislike him. That way too convenient when there are so many white people that are disliked as well for no real reason. 

Yep, need to add that to the list.

Well I'm gonna go out on a limb and say FSU didn't fork out $950,000 to the victim because Winston was innocent. He's about as innocent as Casey Anthony.

I'm actually pretty ok with a pay-for-play scheme in college football .. i think every student should be taking money any way they can get it if they play on a team ..

go for it i say

I don't care much for all of his antics on the field but he is a great QB and that should not be argued. I like Cam but I do wish he would quit with all of the theatrics on the field......act like you've been there before.

That being said I would like to see a class act like Manning get a second ring and ride off into the sunset. I do not believe that will happen though as Carolina is a juggernaut and will be extremely difficult to defeat. I just don't think Denver has enough offensive firepower to take them down.

I just hope for an interesting game and not a blow out!!!!!

I think the Denver defense is a juggernaut.  But Carolina's offense is not a pushover.  On the other side, Carolina's defense is probably just as good, while Peyton once had a problem throwing to the other team.

Because I think Carolina's offense is better than Denver's offense, I think Carolina runs away with this.

Carolina 20
Denver 14

20-14 is "running away with it?"  ;)

Well.... we are talking about the Stanley Cup... right?

Racist!

They were being sued because they didn't act quick enough and they decided to settle rather than spend 10 times that and winning. Winston being guilty wasn't even a question in their lawsuit.

Well, yes, because I expect that it will be that close due to a garbage time score and failed onside kick.

This is exactly why they settled.  State Universities struggle to break even every year.  Better to cut their losses than clear their name and spend more money because they will still be standing when all is said and done

I have no problems with Cam Newton (or any other player in any sport) being happy,excited,celebrating when they do something good.I'm not a fan of planned,rehearsed stuff,or the Panthers...

I'm hoping for the Broncos +Peyton Manning to win,just not very confident.

That smile is incredibly annoying. I also have to say that his cadence utterances makes me want to mute the TV.

Other than that, I think he's one of the most entertaining quarterbacks to watch.

Exactly what theatrics are you guys referring to? Handing a ball to a child in the stands after a touchdown? I can see why that would be irritating.  ::) Perhaps the Superman thing after a score? I would imagine you all seethe with animosity at Rodgers ridiculous discount double check move when he scores as well, though, right?

Gee, given those two examples, I can't imagine how anyone could ever ask if race plays an issue in disliking Cam.

I haven't seen too many Carolina games, but I did watch the game against the Cardinals. I did notice a lot of pre-planned, choreographed celebrations after touchdowns by Newton and his teammates.

One of the celebrations seemed to be going on two minutes after the score. I wasn't paying close attention at that point and was wondering if they scored again. Then I realized they were still celebrating the touchdown I had seen two minutes ago.


Maybe this is what people are referring to as excessive.

You asked the question, and now you're whining because people answered it? Untwist those panties, put the race card back in the deck and move along already...

I'm not whining at all. I've seen several comments along the lines of, "I hate Cam"; "I can't stand him and I hope he loses." Saying you can't stand a player based entirely on the way he smiles or his TD celebrations- when they involve giving the ball to a child in the stands- is either a cop-out bullshit answer. Since I've never seen anyone here make the same statements about Rodgers' pre-planned choreographed celebrations, the race card is very much a valid question to ask, despite how uncomfortable it might make you.

^^^The complaints I have heard are specifically about the length. No one cares that he gives a kid a ball. Really, it is cool he does that. No one has even brought that up to me as an issue so let's drop that from your argument and address the real issue that I hear complaints about, the length of the celebration.

Race? Hah. Most of the NFL is black and we all like players who are black. You seriously think race is an issue? hah

I don't know if it is or not- at least here on this board. There's a lot of talk on sports radio that race is absolutely an issue there, so I wanted to get a guage on what the opinion was here, since there seems to be a few vocal people who dislike him.

Sorry, but "I don't like his smile," and "he celebrates too long," seem like pretty shallow and piss-poor reasons to HATE a player. It certainly seems like there could be more to it than that- that's why I asked.

I'm pretty sure the use of the word hate is hyperbole. I don't imagine that if anyone here saw Cam Newton at the mall they'd get the sudden urge to run him over with a car...

This is sports. We don't need a reason to hate people other than maybe their hair looks funny. Nothing is very logical. Sometimes it's just very simple, people dislike people just because and there is nothing else behind it. It's only because you like this guy that you are getting upset about it. It happens.

I honestly don't think it is as much race as people like to say. It's more  I hated Terry Bradshaw when he played. I loved seeing his helmet get knocked off to see his bald head (he wore a toupee at the time). After seeing him in a few movies I realized he was a pretty funny guy and I cold relate to him.  I think that's a lot of the same thing with Newton. He is doing things others guys aren't or haven't and so it automatically puts people on the defensive to protect whoever they feel is the best. If he starts making tons of commercial poking fun at himself and doing comedy skits on SNL his fan club will grow. The same thing will happen if he just keeps winning. 

I'm Hispanic. I must hate Tom Brady because he's white.

I'm just loosening up my arm..

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I think it's fair to say that on this board, people may not like Cam Newton because he's the QB of the Panthers, and it's probable that they don't like the Panthers (a team which would otherwise not be on the radar of most Dolphins' fans) because that team seems to have a very outspoken and annoying bandwagon fan.

But how many of them were QBs.  I don't remember very many good black QB's before Cam, Jameis, and Russell Wilson arrived on the scene.

I knew someone would ask about that. I have no answer. Maybe it's because of EKnight we don't like Cam, maybe some people have the problem with his history, or it's just simply his yogurt commercials. I dunno.

McNabb was underrated in his prime. Vick might have been overrated, but was hugely popular. At least until the dog thing surfaced.

Going through Philly isn't going to make anyone not popular, of course ;-).

McNabb was underrated.  Vick was overrated.  The only others I can think of are Doug Williams, Randall Cunningham, Warren Moon and Steve Mcnair. 

All of which were pretty damned good QBs...

There is a long list of "pretty damned good QBs" from the past and we came up with only six that were black. 

Now you have Cam Newton who played the best season of his life and is a lock for MVP, Russell Wilson who has a ring and came within an ass hair of another one, and Jameis Winston who is a rising star that made the Pro Bowl as a rookie.  That's 50% more in just one generation. 

Then you have Dak Prescott who won MOP at today's Senior Bowl, Jacoby Brisett who has all the tools, and Vernon Adams who is undersized but dangerous entering the draft this year.  While all three of those guys have flawed games, I'm sure at least one of them will turn out to be "pretty damned good"

The point is, the NFL has never had such a glut of talented black QBs before. 

I'm not defending anything. I really don't like that smug smile of his. Deal with it.

Nick Saban thought this guy was better than Drew Brees:

(http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20070717&t=2&i=1141262&w=644&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=1141262)

No he didn't

^^^Ya, he says that conveniently now.  The guy is a known liar, so I would take anything he says with a grain of salt.

The story has always been the same. The Dolphin doctors picked Culpepper over Brees.

If you believe that, then you also believe that had Brees' and Culpepper's post-2005 career trajectory been swapped, Nick Saban would claim no credit, and would instead say, "It was actually the medical staff that made that choice, not me."

Sorry, Nick... not buying your weak excuse.  You personally passed on two Hall of Fame quarterbacks: one who was playing while you were coaching in college, and the other who you could have signed as a free agent (instead of giving up a draft pick in a trade).  That's on you.

I'm probably in the minority, but I still think Culpepper could have done something if given more time to rehab.  (Or maybe it's just because I'm a fan of the movie It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad, World)

If you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you


Then explain why he has stints with the Raiders and the Lions and didn't do squat?  Culpepper was nothing without Randy Moss to throw to

Um... maybe because it was the Raiders and the Lions.

Daunte Culpepper was incapable of reading defenses. He was a 1 read and run player. And once he could no longer run... he became a one read and take a sack or throw a pick player.

Or one read, run it himself in the end zone and point to his knee...

hmmm 4 pages,and two members that their teams are in the Superbowl,and No Poop Blasphemy...I say Blasphemy. :D

I'm more curious,I wish there were two polls,1. How many of us think this is Peyton's last game,2.) who everything thinks is going to win.


*1.) Rumors that the Rams are internally talking about trying to go after Peyton on twitter

I think if the Broncos win, Peyton pulls a John Elway and retires.  If they lose, then it's unpredictable.  One thing is for sure, he's teetering on china legs and gossamer wings, raging against the dying of the light.

I would like to see Peyton win and retire on top. He is one of the best QB's in the history of the game and a class act to boot. With that being said I am not sure the Broncos have enough offense to keep up with the Juggernaut that is Carolina and Cam Newton. This is one of the few Superbowl where I don't have a real hate for either team so I am just hoping for a great game no matter who wins.

I gotta say after reading about how bad Joe Montana is physically in a recent interview,Just as a human being,I'm hoping Peyton hangs it up.I get Joe's got 20 years on Peyton,but Peyton's already had neck fusion once,and a few leg problems the past couple of years.I agree quite a bit with what Marino said on the Dan Patrick show about Peyton Manning,Win or lose,he's still going to be one of the best Qb's to play the game.

The Montana interview I'm referring too


This changed my view greatly....

I am rooting for the Broncos and Peyton.

I think this'll be Peyton's last game regardless of outcome.

You may be right.  If Denver wins he's definitely done.  If Denver loses then Manning would have to find a SB contender that would want to take him on, because Denver will be moving on from him just like Indy did.

This would be his second gift Super Bowl if he wins.

Gift Super Bowl??  Again, what are you smoking?

Sigh.... Other than the first challenge of the game, it seemed to be called just fine. I could be wrong, though.

The racist Superbowl game let the white guy win...