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During the game I did think this was a little strange but didn't bring it up right after the game because I didn't want it to look like I was piling on Cam because I don't really blame the loss on him. I think he just experienced what many of the Broncos opponents experienced which is that it's really tough to complete passes when your receivers are covered and the pass rush is bearing down on you and got frustrated. Welcome to Ryan Tannehill's year.

Anyway now that we are a few days removed and not much else is being discussed, did Cam's lack of effort on the fumble recovery bother you or did you buy his explanation that he was worried about getting injured? Personally I thought he just lost focus for a second. In my opinion Cam was really second guessing himself, his line, his receivers and everything else at the time and just kinda blanked when it happened. I don't really think it has anything to do with his character or anything else other than maybe showing that he's human afterall.

Cam is a new kind of QB. This is confusing to you becuase you've never seen anyone like him before. This is how the new QBs will roll. So shut up racist.

That's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

If he dives in and gets hurt, it's a sign of his immaturity and inability to put the team's success over his own ego.
If he doesn't, he's scared of getting hurt and not fully committed to winning.

That being said, it seems like most of the criticism coming his way has been from other players, not the usual talking heads.  I didn't criticize him for the decision at the time, so I won't now.

I disagree with the first part of your statement.  If Cam had gone after that fumble, I wouldn't have seen him as immature.  I would've seen him as a warrior who refused to give up and was trying to keep his team in the game, as it was still a one score game at that point. 

Cam's lack of action on that fumble combined with his attitude at that presser cause me to see him as a spoiled rotten "me first" type of guy who can't handle losing well.  Not the type of guy I want leading my team.

Jameis would've gone for that fumble with everything he had, injury be damned.

If he goes after that fumble and gets hurt, sure, no harm no foul.
If he goes after that fumble and gets hurt, it doesn't matter whether CAR recovers it or not; the game is over, and next season might be over too.

And then we will have the parade of talking heads talking about situational awareness and how these young urban quarterbacks like Cam and RG3 just don't understand how important they are to their franchise, and how they need to protect themselves.

It is the Superbowl. You do what you have to do.

Any other argument about getting hurt or not getting hurt or next season is superfluous.

That play revealed a lot about Cam Newton.

Exactly. This is what you are playing for. You don't save anything in this game or hold anything back. If he gets hurt trying to win then so be it. you regroup and do it again next year. If you don't try once there what was the point of even getting there. Historically many QBs have sacrificed their bodies in the big game when they never would have during the season.

John Elway comes to mind.  He was old as dirt, put his body on the line and was doing front flips into the endzone.

I personally think he should have given some sort of effort. He didn't try at all. If injury is in the back of your mind during the heat of a play, you might be in the wrong profession. I've played all types of sports and never had injuries in my mind in a situation like that. Look at the athletes who have been injured, if they keep that injury in mind they never return to full form. If they go out and play as normal, many come back just fine.

Not only did he not try... he seemed to think about it and then back off!

Immediately after it happened, I told my buddy "Did you see that? He just stood there and watched it!"

If Peyton "held together with bailing wire and duct tape" Manning can go diving after a loose fumble, the guy who fancies himself as Superman needs to do the same.

Honestly, he comes off like a giant, whiney pussy.

--Win games
--over celebrate
--Teams get mad
--Says, "stop me if you don't want me over celebrating"
--Wins MVP
--Wears gold MVP shoes to warmups at superbowl
--Denver crushes him
--fumbles the ball and completely pusses out by not jumping on it
--Loses superbowl
--acts like a little bitch at his press conference

Little bitch can dish it out but can't take it.

So does this also mean that QBs should not slide feet first in the Super Bowl, as well?  Or run out of bounds to avoid hits?

I'm just not convinced that this YOLO attitude applies to the SB as well as is being implied.

If the game is on the line, you better have a YOLO attitude in the Superbowl.  That is why you save your body as best you can throughout the season, for that moment.  By not jumping on that fumble, he just showed the entire world he gave up.

If it is for a first down to avoid punting or a turnover on downs or a touchdown (i.e. equivalent to falling on a loose ball in my mind) then yes, they should do all they can.

Cam posted a message to the fans...

This season has been an incredible journey and I want to thank PANTHERNAT1ON and all of the fans that iNSP1RED us to great achievements. iAMnøtPERFËCT and I will make mistakes but I will continue to work on improving each day trying toPERFECTallMYimPERFECT1ON. Pursuing greatness is my commitment, and I will continue to be TRÜ to myself, to my FAM1LY and to making all of YOÜ who follow me PROUD! iW1LL W1N... MY WAY... and hope to iNSP1REüALLtoW1N.... ürWAY! -1OVE
#dontBEaPUPPET #stayTRÜtoÜ

...is that English?

People should really be banned from user social media.

And he graduated college? Ahhh, the state of edjewcashun in this country is astounding.

My kids constantly send me texts asking for 20$ or so. Drives me nuts. They really think that's how you say it so you should write it the same.

I feel it's a character flaw,perhaps makes me questions this natural instincts for the game.

As fans we expect fumble,get the ball!

I admit he's a different cat,the quote about being an entertainer,and Football being entertainment. While he's right,as fans we don't want to hear it,a lot of fans see it like a battle.

It was a football, not Erica Kinsman.

You guys are unbelievable. You demand a take charge team leader, whose passion for the game is so intense, he will jump into a pile, risking injury for a loose ball, because his drive and love for the game and for winning is so great. But good Lord, no, you don't want him expressing that same emotion and passion and drive if he scores or if the team wins. No thank you. Well you don't get it both ways. Make up your minds.

No, he doesn't get it both ways.  If you gloat when you win and act like a little bitch when you lose, then expect a negative impact on your image.

And how, exactly did he act like that? Because he didn't dive on a ball? Because he walked out on a press conference? Really? Maybe the NFL shouldn't have put Chris Harris right beside him answering questions about the win. Harris even acknowledged that the NFL was to blame for that. I think if you're answering questions about your loss, you shouldn't have to hear a player from the other team saying, "force ya’ll to throw the ball. Can you throw the ball?" While you're trying to answer reporters. Ever consider that?

He owes the media exactly squat. He privately paid his respects to the other team- that's what matters, not the media circus.

You Miami fans haven't seen a winner in so long, it's no wonder you're all so bewildered by Cam.

Just stop, please.

Here ya go. How about a fellow Auburn alumni's position on cam? http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25481967/charles-barkley-crushes-100-percent-wrong-cam-newton-unprofessional

When you play for all the marbles, you risk injury and go after that ball.   I don't care who you are or how you celebrate touchdowns.   Jameis would've not only gone after that ball, but if he doesn't get it, he wouldn't show up to the press conference dressed like a street thug and acting like a punk.  He would've apologized to the fans, acknowledged his mistakes and spent the offseason getting better.

And don't bring Kinsman into this.  That lying bitch is gonna get exposed when he faces her in court

On the contrary, I can't think of anyone more qualified to spot a poor loser than a bunch of Miami fans.

Well it was the 4th Quarter of the Super Bowl in a 1 score game. If you aren't gonna dive on a fumble/loose ball in that situation when will ya ever? A good leader wouldn't give up in a Super Bowl in a 1 score game. They would go all out.

The 49 Super Bowls before this one the losing QB all stayed an answered every question and did it like a professional. Russell Wilson last year threw a game losing INT at the 1 yard line and he took it like a man and answered every question for over an hour. Didn't pout. Didn't cry. Didn't wear a hoodie trying to hide from the cameras. But Cam acted like a 4 year old and now wants a free pass for it and trying to blame everyone but himself.

Cam is the guy who said...."There is no band-aid for hurt feelings". Yet he is the one acting like this and trying to justify it?

Interestingly, the 49 Super Bowls before this one, the losing QB graciously shook the hands of the winners, congratulated them and were gracious in defeat (as was Cam).

Oh, wait- did I say 49? Sorry, meant 48. I'm sure that everyone bitching about Cam's press conference was also crushing Manning for skipping out on the midfield handshake and congrats to Brees and the Saints in '09, since this seems to be a much more egregious offense, you know- disrespecting an entire team vs disrespecting the media.

Let's not have a double standard here, one will do just fine.


To answer the original question, Cam didn't need to dive for the ball. Miller illegally batted it and the refs missed it. Miller has even admitted as much. The correct call would have been Panthers' ball, no need for Cam to pointlessly risk anything if the right call gets made. End of story. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/15/miller-could-have-been-called-for-illegal-bat-on-newton-fumble/
 

^You are delusional...take those black, blue and silver colored glasses off.  You're making poor excuses for your QB being a sore loser, and not giving 100% in the most important game in his career.

Criticizing people for the use of improper English is racist.

The double standard is Cam all year showboated, acted like a jerk, and rubbed it in his opponents faces and told everyone hey, you gotta live with it Im having fun and if you don't like it stop me. Well, someone finally stopped him and the one time all year he lost and had to take it, he couldn't. No double standard at all. Cam just got a taste of his own medicine! And Cam couldn't take it and came off as a phony and a hypocrite.

Again, in Cam's own words...."there are no band aid's for hurt feelings." Cam should take his own advice. Don't be a pissy little loser and instead act like a professional and show some class instead of walking out of a press conference. So Manning didn't get a chance to shake his hand after the game on the field, big deal. So be it, it was a zoo after the game with media and players.  Doesn't excuse Cam for being a jerk and walking out of the press conference.

Saying Cam didn't need to dive on the ball of a 1 score game in the 4th quarter of a super bowl is delusional. It's the Super Bowl, you better go all out. I don't care who batted the ball, try and get it and dive on it and try to!  No heart, no class. Cam will never live this down in the eyes of objective Non-Panthers fans across America.  Sorry, just keeping it real.

Yes, I am well aware. Criticizing any minority is racist these days. Even if they are 100% wrong, they are beyond reproach. Everyone's picking on the QB of the Panthers because he's black.

Even blacks who criticize anything about other AA are called racist. Fortunately its losing its affect in the whole scheme of things although the San Bernandino shootings succeeded because of it.

I'm friends on Facebook with Jeff Blake as he was my high school QB. He posted a video today celebrating the history of the Black Panthers for black history month. I started to respond and thought screw it. There's just no way to not get called a racist by someone on his page who does not know me. The funny thing was I hung with more blacks in HS than he did. I have some AA friends that will tell you he didn't become "black" until he got into the NFL.   

BTW ... how long until it gets changed to African American History Month?

^^^I thought "African American" was changed to "Black" as the accepted term a couple of years back...

Any chance he just had a complete brainfart and wasn't thinking about saving himself form injury but rather his legs just froze on him?

I know he looks at it and pulls up, but that would take a whole lot of processing in a short time for him to think that he needs to save himself from injury to make future endorsement dollars.

I've never heard it any different than black. No matter how you say it ... it is a separatist term.

I think it's more likely he saw the ball was batted, realized he didn't need to dive for it because it should have been a penalty and Carolina ball, so he just stopped.

All of you guys who still think race isn't involved in these things are delusional. Peyton refused to shake Brees' hand after he lost to the Saints, but Cam is a sore loser for leaving a press conference. Now Peyton is accused of putting his genitals on a female trainer, but no mention of that on these boards. Nope, rather talk more shit about Newton- over a week after the game- than say anything about Manning when the rest of the sports world has it as a headline story. Yep. Real objectivity at work here.

When you screw up in the Super Bowl it gets talked about forever, stories don't die in a week. They don't die ever!  Norwood, Lett...etc. The Super Bowl is the biggest stage in sports with the world watching. Messing up there (like Cam did during the game and after) and those stories don't ever die, ever. And the great ones never give up on a play. To say he knew the ball was batted as the play was going on and to assume the play was over (you know what they say about people who assume) is stupid as a defense fans like you are using and stupid as a player as a reason to not jump on a fumble. Giving up on a play in the 4th quarter of a close Super Bowl shows his lack of character and lack of heart.

And playing the race card is lame. Peyton didn't shake the hands of Brees on the field, who cares they are BFF's. They hang out together in the offseason. They petitioned the league together to get rules changed. They are buddies and nobody aside from Cam-homers who are grasping at straws to defend him is bringing this up from years ago. Peyton lost 2 Super Bowls and he didn't run from the media after the game. He took his medicine and answered every question after the game. That's all that matters.

Again, Cam needs to follow his own catch-phrase...."There is no band-aid for hurt feelings." If anything comes from all of this maybe Cam will learn a lesson. Next year he won't showboat, over-celebrate meaningless plays, and rub his opponents faces in it when things are going his way. Maybe Cam will act like a professional and just play the game and not go into over excessive celebrations.  I doubt any of that will come from this, but hopefully he proves me wrong. Until he can do that though Cam's reputation is that of a pampered, spoiled, cry-baby loser.

If you are going to put on your gold shoes and your custom made superman shirt bringing un-needed attention to yourself prior to the game and trying to market yourself and not the team in the biggest game of your life,  making it all about you, then when the game ends man up and don't run away from the reporters! 

So he choked in a big spot is essentially what you are saying. Possible, very possible. He either choked or he wimped out and didn't want to get hit, there really is no 3rd option.

Only one problem with your theory, it's not true. Cam himself has already said that the reason he didn't go for the ball was the fact that he was in a bad position to go after it. He never mentioned the ball being batted backwards because that story didn't even break until after Cam had already been asked why he didn't go after the ball. Cam didn't know the ball had been batted illegally by Miller. I don't think really anyone knew until Miller himself admitted as much just a day or 2 ago.

So yeah, that would be a brainfart, since no penalty was called.


Congratulations on being part of the problem, rather than part of the solution. I know you're all boo-hooey over the Panthers tanking in the Super Bowl, but that's no reason to go braindead and just start spouting stupid race card garbage all over the place.

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OMG, I just used a white guy stretching. How racist of me...