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Title: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: masterfins on January 02, 2017, 07:05:26 pm
I'm sure this will disappoint Stroke, but the 49ers fired GM Trent Baalke.

Also fired was Chargers coach Mike McCoy.

Gary Kubiak stepped down from Denver HC duties for health reasons.

The Jets announced GM Mike Maccagnan and HC Todd Bowles would return in 2017.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 02, 2017, 11:15:20 pm
Chip Kelly followed Trent Baalke out the door in San Francisco.  Rumors are in Indy that Chuck Pagano may get the ax as well. 

McCoy was no surprise but Kubiak was.  Apparently he's got a heart condition he was unaware of.   I hope he's ok.

Even more surprising was Marvin Lewis being retained. 


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Sunstroke on January 03, 2017, 05:24:28 pm
I'm sure this will disappoint Stroke, but the 49ers fired GM Trent Baalke.

Oh yeah, I am so broken up about this, I may pop a bottle of champagne tonight...you know, because that's just how I mourn.

My only real disappointment is that Jed York is still around...



Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Dave Gray on January 04, 2017, 02:40:51 pm
I'm not surprised about Marvin Lewis.  I think he's a good coach.  Cincy was a toilet before he came in there and made them relevant.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 04, 2017, 07:58:11 pm
I'm not surprised about Marvin Lewis.  I think he's a good coach.  Cincy was a toilet before he came in there and made them relevant.

He's taken them as far as he could apparently.  He hasn't won a single playoff game since he's been there.   Now he can't even make the playoffs


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 04, 2017, 10:13:27 pm
Marvin Lewis took over one of the worst franchises in the league and has 5 straight playoff appearances.  He misses the playoffs once and suddenly he's not up to the lofty standards of the Bengals?

Mike Brown may not be a genius, but he's no Jed York.  He knows where his bread is buttered.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Dolphster on January 05, 2017, 11:37:22 am
I hate the Jets like any good Dolphins fan should, but I was happily surprised to see Bowles keep his job.  Coaching skills, not withstanding, I remember Bowles from his Dolphin days as a really good guy.  Of course coaches are paid to be good at their jobs, not to be good guys.  It REALLY seemed like he had lost control of the team the last few weeks as the Jets looked like a team that had quit and were barely going through the motions.  I know I'm too old school, but it really burns my ass to see guys joking and goofing around on the sidelines when they are losing by 20+ points. 


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 05, 2017, 11:48:59 am
I thought he should have lost his job for losing the team.  I have no love for Rex Ryan but at least he can keep his team fighting even when it is a lost cause.  Bowles team just folds.  Might be a nice guy and a good tactician, but if you can't motivate the team to play 60 mins 16 times a year you shouldn't be a head coach.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Dolphster on January 05, 2017, 12:10:19 pm
I thought he should have lost his job for losing the team.  I have no love for Rex Ryan but at least he can keep his team fighting even when it is a lost cause.  Bowles team just folds.  Might be a nice guy and a good tactician, but if you can't motivate the team to play 60 mins 16 times a year you shouldn't be a head coach.

Yep, agreed.  That was pretty much what I was getting at as well.  Since I like him, I'm glad he kept his job, but he really didn't "deserve" to keep his job for the exact reason  you stated. 


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 05, 2017, 07:21:35 pm
I thought he should have lost his job for losing the team.  I have no love for Rex Ryan but at least he can keep his team fighting even when it is a lost cause.  Bowles team just folds.  Might be a nice guy and a good tactician, but if you can't motivate the team to play 60 mins 16 times a year you shouldn't be a head coach.

They knew they were already going to lose because they had no QB.  Rumors are they tanked to get the third pick so they could get one of the big three in the draft.   


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Sunstroke on January 06, 2017, 11:56:13 am

^^^ I'm not so sure that any of the QBs in this class is tank-worthy, but that certainly doesn't mean that the Jets don't think so.

As far as my 49ers go, I want one of the top 2 defenders with our #2 pick, Jonathan Allen or Myles Garrett (didn't he die in Roadhouse?). No disrespect to Trubisky, Kizer or any of the other QBs, but I would just as soon address that position in round 2-3, and get a true impact player for our horrendous defense.



Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 09, 2017, 03:50:42 pm
Jacksonville just hired Doug Marrone


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: masterfins on January 09, 2017, 03:56:04 pm
Jacksonville just hired Doug Marrone

I think this is a good move.  Marrone seems to be a good HC.  He did a good job starting to turn around Syracuse's football program before leaving for the Bills.  Then he seemed to be doing well with the Bills until the Pegula's bought the team, and their seemed to be some tension between the parties and Marrone opted out of his contract.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 09, 2017, 05:56:12 pm
I think this is a good move.  Marrone seems to be a good HC.  He did a good job starting to turn around Syracuse's football program before leaving for the Bills.  Then he seemed to be doing well with the Bills until the Pegula's bought the team, and their seemed to be some tension between the parties and Marrone opted out of his contract.

His reputation is he lies to management, he quits on jobs, and the players don't like him. One day he is telling the media Syracuse is my "dream job and I never want to leave" next day he is taking the Bills job. Bills get a new owner and Doug is still under contract and he takes an opt out clause and quits to then be an offensive line coach for Jacksonville? Not to mention when he left Buffalo all of the players said the guy was impossible to deal with and (much like Philbin) was worried about gum wrappers on the floor and if they wore NFL sanctioned socks to 9am meetings on a Tuesday. And there was no tension between him and the Pegula's. The Pegula's bought the team, Doug asked them for an extension, they said no you have a contract, so he quit. LOL, that ain't tension.

Plus, didn't Jax just fire their head coach in large part due to their QB, who they have so much invested in,  regressing? So you promote from within and someone from the offensive side of the ball who was part of the problem?

Hire makes little sense!



Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: CF DolFan on January 09, 2017, 06:31:43 pm
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 Not to mention when he left Buffalo all of the players said the guy was impossible to deal with and (much like Philbin) was worried about gum wrappers on the floor and if they wore NFL sanctioned socks to 9am meetings on a Tuesday. And there was no tension between him and the Pegula's. The Pegula's bought the team, Doug asked them for an extension, they said no you have a contract, so he quit. LOL, that ain't tension.

Plus, didn't Jax just fire their head coach in large part due to their QB, who they have so much invested in,  regressing? So you promote from within and someone from the offensive side of the ball who was part of the problem?

Hire makes little sense!
Which is it? Do they want a tough old school coach or not? You just described Marrone as a Tom Coughlin type but that's who you said would get the job.
He (Marrone) won't get that job. That offense has been a mess and he was a coach on the offensive side of the ball. Sounds like Coughlin has the job if he wants it in Jacksonville


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 09, 2017, 06:45:46 pm
Which is it? Do they want a tough old school coach or not? You just described Marrone as a Tom Coughlin type but that's who you said would get the job.

Coughlin hasn't ever quit on a job and has 2 Super Bowl rings, he can act that way. Not to mention Jax hired Coughlin today as their VP. They hired both.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 09, 2017, 07:16:06 pm
Looks like Marrone will be reporting to none other than Tom Coughlin


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: dolphins4life on January 11, 2017, 12:18:44 am
The Raiders cut ties with OC Bill Musgrave, who if there was not a minimum number of pass attempts required, shares the 49ers and league record for completion percentage in the Super Bowl. 


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: CF DolFan on January 11, 2017, 07:18:05 am
Coughlin hasn't ever quit on a job and has 2 Super Bowl rings, he can act that way. Not to mention Jax hired Coughlin today as their VP. They hired both.
The Giants almost performed a mutiny on Coughlin before he won anything. It was pretty ugly for his first couple of years. He's about as strict as it gets.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 11, 2017, 09:36:34 am
The Giants almost performed a mutiny on Coughlin before he won anything. It was pretty ugly for his first couple of years. He's about as strict as it gets.

I know the history. Not sure what this has to do with anything in regards to Jax hiring him as their VP


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 11, 2017, 10:56:36 am
Vance Joseph to be offered the Broncos job today per many reports out there


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 11, 2017, 01:19:58 pm
Should make Denver @ Mia more interesting.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 11, 2017, 01:31:39 pm
Should make Denver @ Mia more interesting.

Wouldn't shock me if that is a early season Thursday night game or a Thanksgiving night game now.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 11, 2017, 03:25:02 pm
Wouldn't shock me if that is a early season Thursday night game or a Thanksgiving night game now.

Wouldn't shock me if it was a minor prime time game.  (Thursday/Sunday night) doubt it would a big enough deal for MNF. 


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 11, 2017, 04:13:04 pm
Wouldn't shock me if it was a minor prime time game.  (Thursday/Sunday night) doubt it would a big enough deal for MNF. 

Monday Night game is the minor one of the bunch but every team MUST play on Thursday Night too at least once.

I don't think it gets a Sunday night game, which is why I didn't mention a Sunday night game (NBC saves them for big markets like Chicago, Dallas, Philly, NY...etc) but Thursday or Monday makes sense


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 11, 2017, 05:01:22 pm
I didn't realize every team gets a Thursday night. Is that a new rule?


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 11, 2017, 05:33:10 pm
I didn't realize every team gets a Thursday night. Is that a new rule?

nope it's been the rule, well technically the rule is every team must get a Thursday or Monday night primetime game, most of the garbage teams are kicked to Thursday though in the weeks NBC or CBS don't air a Thursday game and its an NFL Network exclusive. But they try to get every team a Thursday night game to keep it fair and give every team a mini-bye on top of the regular bye.



Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 12, 2017, 12:39:18 am
4 teams did not play on Thursday night this season: PIT, IND, WSH, and DET.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 12, 2017, 05:57:07 am
4 teams did not play on Thursday night this season: PIT, IND, WSH, and DET.

Thanksgiving all 4 of those teams played. Thanksgiving is on a THURSDAY!


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 12, 2017, 11:32:15 am
The NFL's website is stupid.  For Thursday Night Football (http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2016/TNF), there are no games listed on Thanksgiving.  The Thanksgiving PIT-IND game is listed on the Sunday Night Football (http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2016/SNF) schedule.  The WSH-DAL and MIN-DET games aren't listed on either.

I suppose it comes down to whether you're saying every team is required to appear on "Thursday Night Football," or whether each team is required to play on a Thursday night.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Baba Booey on January 12, 2017, 11:47:21 am
The NFL's website is stupid.  For Thursday Night Football (http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2016/TNF), there are no games listed on Thanksgiving.  The Thanksgiving PIT-IND game is listed on the http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2016/Sunday Night Football (http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2016/SNF) schedule.  The WSH-DAL and MIN-DET games aren't listed on either.

I suppose it comes down to whether you're saying every team is required to appear on "Thursday Night Football," or whether each team is required to play on a Thursday night.

I really didn't put that much thought into it nor do I care that much, but every team must get 1 primetime game that is a rule I know for a fact. And I believe the rule was with the Thursday night thing each team gets 1 Thursday game (can't say for fact but that is what I remember being the new rule.) So if you put a bad team on a Thursday it kills 2 birds with one stone (1 primetime game/1 Thursday game) and I would think they would consider an afternoon Thanksgiving day with no other game as a competition a "primetime game" and it would qualify.

Thinking only 2 Thursday afternoon games are played all year (thanksgiving) common sense is that would qualify as a "Thursday night" game.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: masterfins on January 13, 2017, 01:47:34 pm
The Charges have hired a new HC, it is Anthony Lynn the Bills' OC (and interim HC after Rex's firing).  The Bills hired Panthers DC Sean McDermott as their HC.  Not sure why the Bills would go with another defensive guy to head up the team.


Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 13, 2017, 02:05:08 pm
Not sure why the Bills would go with another defensive guy to head up the team.

I don't follow that logic.  Judge the man, not choose the opposite of the last guy.  Just because the last D.C you hired didn't work out doesn't mean you should pick an oc this time.

Some retreads work, some don't.

Some Oc work some don't.

Some college coaches work, some don't.



Title: Re: Coaching/GM Changes
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on January 15, 2017, 12:55:46 am
Vance Joseph to be offered the Broncos job today per many reports out there

With the Joseph signing and Wade Phillips contract up, he has moved to the Rams as their defensive coordinator - potentially a great move for LA given the job he has done with Denver, plus with his experience I can see him supporting their young head coach without being a serious threat to taking over his job.