Title: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on January 20, 2019, 10:25:17 pm I don't know if I will watch this one.
Brady proves once again on Sunday that he is the luckiest person on the face of the Earth. His team has won the toss in all three of his overtime playoff games. The Chiefs had the game won, but a stupid offsides penalty gave the trophy to NE. The refs were fine in this game. If anything they benefited KC. It's just so difficult to watch. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Cathal on January 20, 2019, 10:44:30 pm Yeah, it'll probably be another Superbowl I won't watch.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: DenverFinFan on January 20, 2019, 10:51:31 pm Sometimes you just have to wonder. That Saints game was messed up. NFL has a lot riding on LA teams succeeding, just saying.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 20, 2019, 11:22:02 pm I don't know if I will watch this one. Brady proves once again on Sunday that he is the luckiest person on the face of the Earth. His team has won the toss in all three of his overtime playoff games. The Chiefs had the game won, but a stupid offsides penalty gave the trophy to NE. The refs were fine in this game. If anything they benefited KC. It's just so difficult to watch. No way they benefited KC. They blew a bunch of calls in favor of NE. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dolphster on January 20, 2019, 11:25:00 pm After today's events, the ref stealing a victory from the Saints and the Pats winning again, I have zero interest in watching the Super Bowl. I give the Patriots their due, but I'm gonna pass on the game this year.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: stinkfish on January 21, 2019, 12:05:27 am So now I’m a Rams fan. I’m really running out of teams to cheer for. I’ll be watching the super bowl because, we’ll, it’s the SuperBowl. Come on people. It’s the freaking Super Bowl. How can you not watch?
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on January 21, 2019, 06:19:18 am I don't know if I will watch this one. Brady proves once again on Sunday that he is the luckiest person on the face of the Earth. His team has won the toss in all three of his overtime playoff games. The Chiefs had the game won, but a stupid offsides penalty gave the trophy to NE. The refs were fine in this game. If anything they benefited KC. It's just so difficult to watch. 1. Roughing the passer against the Chiefs when he didn't hit Brady's helmet, kept their drive alive, otherwise KC wins with the lead. 2. Edelmen clearly dropped a pass that was challenged, but they called it a catch. 3. In the same breath that muffled punt fumble of Edelmen was way to close to say it didn't hit him. 4. Pats holding on almost every play like they've always done, but it wasn't called. We must have been watching different games. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: stinkfish on January 21, 2019, 09:22:28 am That phantom roughing call for Brady was atrocious. Total game changer.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Phishfan on January 21, 2019, 12:56:29 pm I'll be watching. It would take something major to keep me away from the Super Bowl
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: stinkfish on January 21, 2019, 04:01:05 pm I hope that Brady is ok after that vicious roughing the passer hit that he took. Actually, given the windchill, the breeze that the defender’s hand must have created as it went by Brady’s face could have caused a significant windburn injury to his beautiful face. I guess it was justified.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Spider-Dan on January 21, 2019, 04:07:21 pm The Chiefs had the game won, but a stupid offsides penalty gave the trophy to NE. This happened after the game was already lost, but a stupid defensive holding penalty away from the ball reversed Kelce's fumble.Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on January 21, 2019, 08:39:50 pm Spider: A defensive holding call is not insignificant, because it takes a receiver out of the play.
Tenshot: We watched the same game. You just watch games with Patriots hater goggles. You say the Patriots get away with holding after every game, like in the Super Bowl against the Falcons. The replay CLEARLY showed that the ball did not make contact with either of Edelman's thumbs. You are not alone. For example, somebody after the Falcons Super Bowl, posted an article saying the Patriots got away with a facemask. One problem: The replay clearly shows the Falcons player grabbing the Patriots players facemask. Or in the AFC title game against the Broncos when somebody said it was not clear if a backwards pass was backward, even though the replay clearly showed it was. Stinkfish, that roughing the passer call was indeed bogus, but it would have been third down and seven for the Patriots. They converted three third down and longs in their overtime drive, I think they would have converted that one too. Ironically the missed call on the pick play may have hurt the Chiefs. It may have forced them to score too quickly. In the past five seasons Tom Brady has had four multi-interception playoff games. His teams are 3-1 in those games. This is why I do not consider him the GOAT. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Spider-Dan on January 21, 2019, 11:10:47 pm Spider: A defensive holding call is not insignificant, because it takes a receiver out of the play. The ball did not go to that receiver.But I suppose your point is that a defender getting to line up on the offensive side of the ball doesn't matter? Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Sunstroke on January 22, 2019, 08:59:59 am I'll be watching. It would take something major to keep me away from the Super Bowl Yep...exactly. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dave Gray on January 22, 2019, 09:46:20 am The Patriots got several calls all in a row down the stretch. The roughing call on Brady was awful. But even the overturn of the muffed punt. Do you think the Dolphins get that call OVERTURNED against the Patriots? Not in a million years.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on January 22, 2019, 10:24:59 am Superbowl should be KC vs NO, both teams got screwed.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: CF DolFan on January 22, 2019, 10:27:51 am Superbowl should be KC vs NO, both teams got screwed. I saw a plan for them to play each other in NO for a Gumbo Bowl. I think it would be a huge hit although I'm pretty sure the NFL would never allow it. hahahaTitle: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: stinkfish on January 22, 2019, 11:52:06 am Superbowl should be KC vs NO, both teams got screwed. Preach Brotha! I've been saying that to coworkers today. Can't get a patsies fan to see it that way. Everyone is going on about the obvious problem with the Rams winning, but gee, it's all crickets around here about the other gift win in the AFC contest.Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: masterfins on January 22, 2019, 02:22:46 pm Looking ahead to SB #54 - back in the somewhat glory years I used to get excited when the SB was scheduled for Miami, hoping perhaps that the Dolphins would have a home game for the SB. Sadly, I don't see any chance of that happening next year unless Brady & Belicheat retire this February, and Miami miraculously drafts the QB of the future.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: pondwater on January 22, 2019, 02:46:47 pm Preach Brotha! I've been saying that to coworkers today. Can't get a patsies fan to see it that way. Everyone is going on about the obvious problem with the Rams winning, but gee, it's all crickets around here about the other gift win in the AFC contest. There is absolutely no problem with the Rams winning. Yeah, they missed the call. However, they missed several calls against the Saints that would have benefited the Rams and could have indeed changed the course of the game. Just because the Saints had a missed call at the very end of regulation doesn't mean that they got robbed or should have won. Those other missed calls could have very easily gave the Rams enough points to render the last missed call moot. Bad calls and no calls happen every week, you have to play through them. Brees and the Saints had plenty of opportunities to win the game during regulation AND got the ball 1st in overtime. Then what happened? Brees chokes and throws one of his world famous interceptions. Just the Saints being the Saints and shitting the bed at the finish line. Just like last year when they played the Vikings. Or maybe the Saints last 2 playoff losses is some type of cosmic karma for Bountygate and what they did to Farve.Anyhow, Saints fans know that Brees has almost reached his expiration date. And once he's gone, unless they hit lightning in a bottle at QB. They will revert into the Saints of old. Just like the Dolphins have been for 20 years. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 22, 2019, 03:00:03 pm Bob Sutton (Chiefs DC) has been given the boot. Rex Ryan is the leading candidate for the new DC in KC
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on January 22, 2019, 03:30:25 pm Bob Sutton (Chiefs DC) has been given the boot. Rex Ryan is the leading candidate for the new DC in KC Guess we know who the Superbowl favorites for next year are. He's great as a coordinator.Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on January 23, 2019, 02:03:51 am This thread is going way off track.
Dave: Why do you think the Dolphins would not have gotten that call overturned against the Patriots? The video CLEARLY shows the ball did not touch either of Edelman's thumbs. The Patriots got one call in that game, and that was the roughing the passer call. And that happened on second down. Even if that was not called, the Patriots still likely score anyway. Tenshot: Twice in this thread you have stated the Patriots got robbed, but have not stated how except for one roughing the passer call, which you misrepresented anyway. I checked the play by play. The Patriots never had an completion to Edelman that was overturned. They had one to Hogan which was challenged and correctly allowed to stand. Spider: Yes, the ball did not go to that receiver, but if he wasn't held it might have. Dee Ford's play was just pure stupidity It's one thing to hate a team, but you shouldn't let your hate get in the way of your objectivity. Getting the calls means that the calls have to be incorrect. It was actually the Chiefs who got the calls the rest of the way: 1) No call next play on Gronkowski 2) No call on the pick play that set up the Watkins play. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on January 23, 2019, 06:08:55 am Just admit you're a Patriots fan and move on.
I'll answer Dave's question: you're crazy if you think that was clear, calls don't get closer than that. When calls are that close, refs don't overturn the call 10/10. I stated KC got robbed, because they did. Edelman or Hogan had a catch that should have been overturned to an incompletion ball was moving clearly when he hit the ground, but I'll admit it was close. That wasn't as close as the muffed fumble, yet they overturned that one. It's one thing for you to love your team the Patriots, but you shouldn't let your love for them get in the way of your objectivity. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 23, 2019, 03:49:12 pm SB 53 trivia
Number of Superbowls Tom Brady has played in: 8 Number of Superbowls the entire roster of the Rams as played in : 5 Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Spider-Dan on January 23, 2019, 07:55:48 pm The Chiefs had the game won, but a stupid offsides penalty gave the trophy to NE. It's one thing to hate a team, but you shouldn't let your hate get in the way of your objectivity. Getting the calls means that the calls have to be incorrect. OK, then: https://twitter.com/MikeMedhurst/status/1087797403254706182 The offsides penalty was correct. KC lost because they deserved to lose. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dolphster on January 23, 2019, 08:18:15 pm OK, then: https://twitter.com/MikeMedhurst/status/1087797403254706182 The offsides penalty was correct. KC lost because they deserved to lose. Agreed. Calls typically at least somewhat even out in the long run. If we are going to talk about a game where the a ref's call literally changed the winner of a game, we would be talking about the Rams/Saints game. Not the Patriots/Chiefs game. And even in the Saints game, they played lousy in the second half and never should have put them in a position where a ref's call lost them the game. In almost every game, for each bad referee call, you can find at least a dozen bad plays (dropped ball, stupid penalty, etc.) that affected the outcome of the game. Blaming the ref is typically just a lazy way to find an excuse for losing a game. Except in the Saints game. ;D Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: pondwater on January 24, 2019, 04:03:36 am Agreed. Calls typically at least somewhat even out in the long run. If we are going to talk about a game where the a ref's call literally changed the winner of a game, we would be talking about the Rams/Saints game. Not the Patriots/Chiefs game. And even in the Saints game, they played lousy in the second half and never should have put them in a position where a ref's call lost them the game. In almost every game, for each bad referee call, you can find at least a dozen bad plays (dropped ball, stupid penalty, etc.) that affected the outcome of the game. Blaming the ref is typically just a lazy way to find an excuse for losing a game. Except in the Saints game. ;D Nope, even in the Saints game it's a lazy excuse. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dave Gray on January 24, 2019, 10:27:22 am Dave: Why do you think the Dolphins would not have gotten that call overturned against the Patriots? The video CLEARLY shows the ball did not touch either of Edelman's thumbs. I disagree wholeheartedly. There is no indisputable video evidence to change that call. You would have to have an angle that shows space between the football and thumb and there is none. I mean...I think it probably touched his thumb, but I can't say definitively. You have to go with the call on the field. And in my opinion, that kind of call is worse than the missed Saints call. There, you have to make a judgment call in the moment with the angle you have. Whereas with the Pats, you have as much time as you need AND you can always fall back on lack of evidence to not change a call. There's no way the Dolphins get the benefit of the doubt on that kind of thing. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 24, 2019, 12:49:46 pm This super bowl either the record for oldest head coach to win a super bowl or youngest head coach to win a super bowl will fall...
At 66 Bill Belichick can break Tom Caughlins record of 65. Or at 33 McVay can break Tomlin’s record of 36. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on January 24, 2019, 12:56:01 pm They both break the record for wrong team in the Superbowl.
LOL, okay I'm done, time to move on. GO RAMS! Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 24, 2019, 01:01:11 pm If you are going to waste your time complaining about blown calls in NE/KC game at least pick the right one.....the roughing the passer was as obviously wrong. Reasonable minds can differ on the punt.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dave Gray on January 24, 2019, 01:17:21 pm Reasonable minds can differ on the punt. Which is exactly why you don't overturn the call. At least with the Roughing the Passer call, it was bad -- but it was just a blown call that can't be reviewed. ...so just a human mistake. The punt overturn is an error in judgment, which is way worse, in my opinion. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dolphster on January 24, 2019, 01:20:41 pm This super bowl either the record for oldest head coach to win a super bowl or youngest head coach to win a super bowl will fall... At 66 Bill Belichick can break Tom Caughlins record of 65. Or at 33 McVay can break Tomlin’s record of 36. That is an interesting tidbit of information. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Phishfan on January 24, 2019, 01:22:29 pm The muffed punt had great angles..The camera guys should get a bonus. One angle clearly shows it didn't hit his forearm or bicep and the other angle shows it clearly didn't hit the thumb Combined they show he never touched it. He didn't even attempt to recover it.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 24, 2019, 01:35:28 pm Which is exactly why you don't overturn the call. At least with the Roughing the Passer call, it was bad -- but it was just a blown call that can't be reviewed. ...so just a human mistake. The punt overturn is an error in judgment, which is way worse, in my opinion. Reasonable minds can disagree if there was enough evidence to overturn. Multiple camara angles and in none of then does he appear to touch it. That was the right call, but I can understand why some might not agree. The roughing the passer call was just bad. Not quite as bad as the missed PI in the NFC, but that one is obviously wrong. If you are going to get upset over a call that is the one to get upset over. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: masterfins on January 24, 2019, 02:29:17 pm If the Patriots LOSE the Super Bowl Tom Brady will tie Jim Kelly as the QB with the most loses in SB History.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dave Gray on January 24, 2019, 02:41:41 pm Reasonable minds can disagree if there was enough evidence to overturn. Multiple camara angles and in none of then does he appear to touch it. I disagree. The burden of proof is on overturning the call. The metric to overturn is "indisputable video evidence". You seem to admit that it's reasonably disputable. That's why I have an issue. The blown roughing call was just that -- probably more important of a call and it was just wrong. But that's a human error judging something with only one crack at it. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 24, 2019, 03:08:41 pm If the Patriots LOSE the Super Bowl Tom Brady will tie Jim Kelly as the QB with the most loses in SB History. He will also tie Brett Farve for second place of most postseason losses at 11. He is currently tied with Marino for 3rd place. Peytons record 13 post season loss record is safe for at least a few years. While Brady doesn’t own too many regular season records, he absolutely dominates in almost every imaginable post season or super bowl record. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 25, 2019, 12:03:37 pm One long time Rams fan is jumping ship to the Patriots.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/25/rams-hall-of-famer-jackie-slater-will-root-for-his-son-and-the-patriots/ Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 25, 2019, 12:58:43 pm If the Patriots LOSE the Super Bowl Tom Brady will tie Jim Kelly as the QB with the most loses in SB History. Kelly’s record of most consecutive super bowl loses is safe. So he has that going for him. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: masterfins on January 25, 2019, 09:35:06 pm Kelly’s record of most consecutive super bowl loses is safe. So he has that going for him. Well for at least another two years. lol Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 25, 2019, 09:52:01 pm Well for at least another two years. lol That would mean Patriots become the first team with 5 consecutive super bowl appearances. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on January 26, 2019, 02:57:37 pm In playoff games in which he has thrown at least two interceptions, Brady's record is now 6-4.
I maintain that he is not the GOAT, he is the LOAT. This is also why he has shattered all the playoff records. Because unlike most quarterbacks, when he has a bad game, his teammates and his opponents can carry him, and give him the chance to play again next week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X5aOiujb_I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X5aOiujb_I) Dave and Hoodie, watch this video. Look at the replay that starts about forty eight seconds. THAT CLEARLY SHOWS THE BALL NEVER TOUCHED HIS THUMBS. You cannot be any clearer than that. Andy Reid definitely made some bad decisions. Why on Earth did he not try the field goal in the first half? Why would you refuse to try to score points against the Patriots? Why did he challenge the play with Hogan that clearly was a catch? That cost him a timeout that would have been useful on the Chiefs last drive. On the last drive, he got away with a dumb decision with no timeouts left by running another play. Finally, in overtime, maybe on onside kick would have been something worth considering. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 26, 2019, 03:23:47 pm In playoff games in which he has thrown at least two interceptions, Brady's record is now 6-4. Assuming that is correct than his record in games were he has thrown 1 or less ints is 13-6. Consider this no other QB has played in as many playoff games as Tom Brady haa won. No other QB has played in as many super bowls as Tom Brady has won. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 27, 2019, 05:20:36 pm Was listening to the radio and the speculation was would more Patriots or Rams fans be in attendance.
Factors: Patriots have a larger fan base than the Rams. Rams have trouble getting people to go to home games. But this is their third one in a row, folks willing to drop $10,000 for a once in a lifetime trip have already had multiple opportunities. Among the 30 neutral fan bases: NE has only one solid add on — The New Orleans Saints. Most everyone else is a Rams fan. But among the 29 there is some Patriots leaning fans because of the non PI call. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 28, 2019, 04:03:07 pm I disagree. The burden of proof is on overturning the call. The metric to overturn is "indisputable video evidence". You seem to admit that it's reasonably disputable. That's why I have an issue. The blown roughing call was just that -- probably more important of a call and it was just wrong. But that's a human error judging something with only one crack at it. When I say it could go either way, I agree with this from FMIA..... "But no matter how many times I saw it, there was no evidence that the ball touched Edelman. I thought they got it right. I agreed with the reversal, but it was so close I would not have had any quibble if it stood.” That is where I am going with this. I think the refs got it right, by doing the reversal. But if it had stood, I wouldn't have used that play as some sort of example of the Patriots being robbed. On the other hand, I think the refs got the call wrong on the roughing the passer call against Brady. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 28, 2019, 05:06:50 pm Was listening to the radio and the speculation was would more Patriots or Rams fans be in attendance. Factors: Patriots have a larger fan base than the Rams. Rams have trouble getting people to go to home games. But this is their third one in a row, folks willing to drop $10,000 for a once in a lifetime trip have already had multiple opportunities. Among the 30 neutral fan bases: NE has only one solid add on — The New Orleans Saints. Most everyone else is a Rams fan. But among the 29 there is some Patriots leaning fans because of the non PI call. https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/01/super-bowl-2019-who-are-njs-nfl-fans-rooting-for-in-new-england-patriots-vs-los-angeles-rams-super-bowl-53.html Patriots have more fans than I thought we would have.... The six states in New England of course. And Louisiana is obvious. But we got both the Carolina's. Panther fans must not like the Rams. I wonder if Michigan is because of Brady going to Michigan or if Lions fans hate the Rams. North Dakota might just mean there is three Patriots fans and two Rams fans in the entire state. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Phishfan on January 29, 2019, 02:02:47 pm Was listening to the radio and the speculation was would more Patriots or Rams fans be in attendance. Factors: Patriots have a larger fan base than the Rams. Rams have trouble getting people to go to home games. But this is their third one in a row, folks willing to drop $10,000 for a once in a lifetime trip have already had multiple opportunities. Among the 30 neutral fan bases: NE has only one solid add on — The New Orleans Saints. Most everyone else is a Rams fan. But among the 29 there is some Patriots leaning fans because of the non PI call. The Rams got more people at home games than the Patriots did for the season. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: CF DolFan on January 29, 2019, 03:17:40 pm This game is a lose-lose for me although I'll certainly watch every minute. A Patriots win just adds to the legend that is Bellichick and Brady while a Rams win would elevate the current Sean McVay craziness. We are already at the point that if a person was ever on his same team that they must be a good coach. At this point .... I'm not sure I could handle much more of his legend.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on January 29, 2019, 03:31:28 pm ^You find this lose-lose, and call yourself a Dolphins fan? :P
Any way that NE loses is a win for us! Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: pondwater on January 29, 2019, 04:02:40 pm Hope the Rams win so that I can see all the asshole Saints fans go ape shit and launch into orbit. I get them being upset, but Jesus Christ. Not sure why they're mad at the Rams. The Rams don't control the Refs. Were the Rams supposed to say, "that no-call wasn't fair, Saints can go to the Superbowl instead of us"?
If the situation was reversed and the Rams lost the game on that no-call. You can't tell me that the Saints fans would still be signing petitions, calling for a rematch, and filing lawsuits because they want the game to be fair for everyone . No, I'm fairly certain they would say, "tough shit, Saint in the Superbowl, who dat who dat". The hypocrisy is fucking ridiculous.... Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 29, 2019, 04:35:01 pm This game is a lose-lose for me although I'll certainly watch every minute. A Patriots win just adds to the legend that is Bellichick and Brady while a Rams win would elevate the current Sean McVay craziness. We are already at the point that if a person was ever on his same team that they must be a good coach. At this point .... I'm not sure I could handle much more of his legend. I dont buy just because you work with McVay you are going to become a great coach, Belichick and Shula are both great coaches, but none of their magic rubbed off onto assistants. However the more. I hear about McVay the more impressed I become. He is young enough and talented enough to retire with enough wins to leave Shula’s record in the dust. BB might overtake Shula for combined regular and post season wins, but no way BB will touch regular season alone. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Fau Teixeira on January 29, 2019, 04:54:24 pm the saints did get majorly screwed tho .. for real
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: pondwater on January 29, 2019, 05:12:05 pm the saints did get majorly screwed tho .. for real Yep, I agree and I get it. But what the fuck do they expect? Shit happens. You wouldn't believe all the tin foil hat shit I've heard this week. It's not like no other teams have been majorly screwed before. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dolphster on January 30, 2019, 01:18:53 pm Yep, I agree and I get it. But what the fuck do they expect? Shit happens. You wouldn't believe all the tin foil hat shit I've heard this week. It's not like no other teams have been majorly screwed before. Agreed. The Saints are "my NFC team" and I was majorly pizzed when the non-call happened. But blown calls happen in the NFL Always have and always will. If the Saints had played a decent second half, that blown call would have been a non factor. The timing of the non-call was horrible, but poopoo happens. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 30, 2019, 02:23:19 pm Agreed. The Saints are "my NFC team" and I was majorly pizzed when the non-call happened. But blown calls happen in the NFL Always have and always will. If the Saints had played a decent second half, that blown call would have been a non factor. The timing of the non-call was horrible, but poopoo happens. In general I take that attitude. But if you were going to put together the top 10 worst officiating of all time that one would make the list. Wouldnt be number one, that honor goes to the 72 men’s olympic basketball. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 01, 2019, 04:58:50 pm Certainly sounds like Drew Brees is much more of a professional than Sean Payton one is focused on one play outside his control, the other acknowledges that there were plenty of other plays in that game that the Saints had done a better job with they would have won.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dave Gray on February 01, 2019, 05:10:00 pm The Saints got a call missed. ...it happens to every team. This was just under a magnifying glass because it was at a crucial time.
The angle was weird. In the moment, I thought the call was correct. There is no replay allowed for it, though, so what can you do. It's just part of the game. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: pondwater on February 01, 2019, 07:35:35 pm The Saints got a call missed. ...it happens to every team. This was just under a magnifying glass because it was at a crucial time. Fuck the Saints. If the situation was reversed and the Rams lost, they wouldn't be saying shit. There would be no petitions to replay the game, no lawsuits, and no crying for "fairness for all". Nope, they would say, "tough shit, Saints in the Superbowl, whodat, whodat. One of the worst fanbases in the NFL. Now they all saying they ain't watching the game. I call bullshit. Sounds like all the Hillary supporters and NeverTrumpers saying they're leaving the country. The angle was weird. In the moment, I thought the call was correct. There is no replay allowed for it, though, so what can you do. It's just part of the game. I'm OK with the Patriots winning. However, I'm in Saints territory and I hope the Rams win. Like I said earlier in the thread, I can sit back and watch all the WhoDats go apeshit and launch into orbit. Social media will be better than the game itself. Was it a bad call? Yep, but one call doesn't decide a game. They had many other opportunities. The fact is that they shit the bed 2 years in a row. Hope they shit the bed next year too, that's all........ Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 02, 2019, 10:46:22 am My favorite superbowl prediction I heard on the radio from one of the nationals (forget which one). End of the 3rd quarter NE leads 3-0. Patriots win in overtime 30-24.
My prediction NE 28 -21. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Downunder Dolphan on February 02, 2019, 06:26:20 pm I think it will be a relatively low scoring and quick game because the Patriots first plan of attack will be to run it down the Rams throat.
If the Rams stack the box to counter the rush, that should open up a whole lotta Gronk (while he has been relatively quiet this season, this game could be very different). If the Rams double team Gronk, then it's man coverage for Brady to pick apart - Aqib Talib is a great cover corner (when fit, and that's a big if going in to this game), but the other DBs are a real concern. I expect Brady to pick out the receivers isolated on Peters & Joyner, if he gets the time to throw... needless to say I am hoping Donald & Suh both have very, very big games! On the subject of fitness, Gurley has to be a huge concern after only a handful of plays in the NFC title game. Without him, I just can't see Goff getting it done, BB will have something lined up to take away his best receivers and bait him into a bad throw or two. As much as I hate to say it, I am predicting another New England victory - 27-17. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on February 03, 2019, 08:51:54 am 183-3 Rams
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Dolphster on February 03, 2019, 11:41:36 am At least for this year:
Puppy Bowl on Animal Planet > The Super Bowl :D Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 03, 2019, 11:58:19 am In case Dolphin fans need another reason to root for the Rams. (although I am sure you are already solid on that)
Many people consider one of the most difficult feats in football to be to win the super bowl the year after losing it. (You have a short off season and you start off demoralized. ). Only one team has succeeded— The Dolphins. Patriots could join them today. (Bills tried a bunch of times) Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 03, 2019, 12:14:31 pm Random trivia......
The QB of the Rams was 7 years old when the QB of the Patriots got his first super bowl win. The head coach of the rams was less than a year old when the HC of the Patriots got his first SB ring (as DC of the Giants) Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Downunder Dolphan on February 03, 2019, 04:12:51 pm In case Dolphin fans need another reason to root for the Rams. (although I am sure you are already solid on that) Many people consider one of the most difficult feats in football to be to win the super bowl the year after losing it. (You have a short off season and you start off demoralized. ). Only one team has succeeded— The Dolphins. Patriots could join them today. The Cowboys did it one year before Miami, winning Superbowl VI against us straight after losing V to the Colts. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 03, 2019, 04:29:31 pm The Cowboys did it one year before Miami, winning Superbowl VI against us straight after losing V to the Colts. oops missed that one. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 03, 2019, 10:13:00 pm I think it will be a relatively low scoring Nailed that. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: BuccaneerBrad on February 04, 2019, 09:53:47 am McVay got outcoached and intimidated last night. He abandoned the run early and as a result, couldn't sell the play action well
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 04, 2019, 10:03:50 am McVay got outcoached and intimidated last night. He abandoned the run early and as a result, couldn't sell the play action well Only thing I can think is he must have been expecting a shootout and designed a game plan on the basis of trading touchdowns. Figurng he would need 350 passing yards to beat Brady. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on February 04, 2019, 10:22:01 am I said this in the blog, but Goff looked like a scared kid out there. The moment completely took him over.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 04, 2019, 10:57:28 am I said this in the blog, but Goff looked like a scared kid out there. The moment completely took him over. I think a lot can be said for experience. Very few of the Rams had ever been to the superbowl. Many of the patriots had been there twice, some a few more times than that. And yeah you can say the same thing about 2001 those Rams had more SB experience than those Patriots. Brady didn't look lost, but keep in mind the coach had been 3. There was a QB in the QB room that had been to one along with quite a few others. If I fault McVay for anything it is his failure to do a Gene Hackman impersonation before the game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE9CEAzLPKg I have seen tweets and posts that Goff sucks, came up small, over rated, even one Jets fan claimed Sanchez would have done a better job. I wasn't buy before the game if the Rams prevailed it meant that Goff was the second coming of Brady and a new sheriff is in town. And I am not buying now that this means he is a mediocre QB. On Saturday, I would have said that I expect McVay and Goff to host at least one or two Lombardis in their time together, but maybe not this year. I stand by that. It wasn't this year, but if is was in my keeper league I would be saving him. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on February 04, 2019, 11:04:23 am ^I think Goff is good, but he had a very bad game on the biggest stage. His blocking didn't do him any favors either.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: masterfins on February 04, 2019, 03:46:31 pm I said this in the blog, but Goff looked like a scared kid out there. The moment completely took him over. I agree, he got pressured early and it seemed to affect him the whole game. In the second half it seemed Goff was just throwing up jump balls to avoid being hit. Whereas the experienced Brady just moved a little in the pocket, when pressured, to get an extra second and made some good passes. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: masterfins on February 04, 2019, 03:50:47 pm In spite of the pundits saying it was a terrible game, I thought it was a great game. Sure there could have been a little more scoring, but I'd rather watch a defensive battle than a high scoring shootout with no defense, that comes down to which team has the last possession. I wasn't planning on watching the whole game, but got caught up in it and watched until the end.
Half time show was okay, but nothing special. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 04, 2019, 04:04:04 pm I am not sure if these was factors or not.
But the Rams were expecting a neutral or friendly field expecting equal rams and patriots fans or having a slight advantage with crowd noise.Reality is that it was overwhelmingly Patriots fans. This might have been jarring. Of course when you play on the road you expect a hostile crowd, but if you are expecting a friendly one and get a hostile one that can be unsettling. Also the Rams had a distraction going into the game. Listening to two weeks of people claiming you are frauds and the Saints belong there instead could have had an impact on their psych. And while teams have used the us against the world angle to solidify the team, This wasn't something that could be easily turned that way, nor do I think they even tried. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 04, 2019, 04:57:35 pm Six:
The number of super bowls wins Tom Brady has. The number of Quarterbacks drafted before him. The round he was drafted in. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: masterfins on February 04, 2019, 05:19:11 pm Six: The number of super bowls wins Tom Brady has. The number of Quarterbacks drafted before him. The round he was drafted in. So...666, you're saying he's the devil. lol Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 04, 2019, 07:15:26 pm Best tweet from last night,
“Both offenses are playing this game like they know who ever wins gets a trip to the White House to meet Trump” Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on February 04, 2019, 07:17:33 pm ^really? The best?
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 04, 2019, 07:20:03 pm ^really? The best? I thought it was a hilarious commentary on both teams lackluster offense. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Downunder Dolphan on February 05, 2019, 07:26:54 am I am not sure if these was factors or not. But the Rams were expecting a neutral or friendly field expecting equal rams and patriots fans or having a slight advantage with crowd noise.Reality is that it was overwhelmingly Patriots fans. This might have been jarring. Of course when you play on the road you expect a hostile crowd, but if you are expecting a friendly one and get a hostile one that can be unsettling. Also the Rams had a distraction going into the game. Listening to two weeks of people claiming you are frauds and the Saints belong there instead could have had an impact on their psych. And while teams have used the us against the world angle to solidify the team, This wasn't something that could be easily turned that way, nor do I think they even tried. The attendance was clearly Patriots dominated, both in numbers and noise, but that was not really unexpected - despite the Rams on field success during the regular season there were plenty of visiting fans and plenty of opposition noise at their own home games. I remember the Packers game this year, and the crowd was clearly cheering for the cheeseheads in the LA colloseum! It may have been a small factor, but not the main reason the Rams offense was so impotent in the Superbowl... The biggest factor for the Rams was injuries, and most specifically, the injury to Gurley that severely limited his playing time. Take him out of the equation and all the heat was on Goff, they made sure his receivers were hard to find and turned up the pressure on him all game. It was all on him and McVay to find a way around the Patriots defense without Gurley - they couldn't do it. It seems ironic that some experts see top running backs these days as overpriced easily replaceable pieces, I would bet that a fully fit Gurley would have made a huge difference to the Rams offense in this game. For that matter Kareem Hunt would have made a massive difference in the AFC Championship game too. Take away Bell and Connor from Pittsburgh's high powered offense, and all of a sudden they splutter and don't even make the playoffs... Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on February 05, 2019, 12:56:08 pm Hoodie,
I don't understand what you mean when you say there was a missed offsides on the Philly Special last year. Offsides is a defensive penalty, so even if the Patriots were offsides, it would have been a free play and the touchdown would have counted. The Rams were on the wrong end of three critical calls last night The first was the bogus personal foul that extended an early Patriots drive, flipped field position, and forced the Rams defense to stay on the field longer. The second was the phantom holding call midway through the fourth quarter that stopped a potential go-ahead drive by the Rams This was the third https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_jFE1Mh3c That is clearly pass interference, as was called on Miami in the Miracle game. To me, this makes up for the at least four times the Patriots have been robbed in the playoffs during Brady's career. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on February 05, 2019, 01:00:34 pm I give up, someone else try...
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 05, 2019, 02:12:56 pm Hoodie, I don't understand what you mean when you say there was a missed offsides on the Philly Special last year. Offsides is a defensive penalty, so even if the Patriots were offsides, it would have been a free play and the touchdown would have counted. The Rams were on the wrong end of three critical calls last night The first was the bogus personal foul that extended an early Patriots drive, flipped field position, and forced the Rams defense to stay on the field longer. The second was the phantom holding call midway through the fourth quarter that stopped a potential go-ahead drive by the Rams This was the third https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_jFE1Mh3c That is clearly pass interference, as was called on Miami in the Miracle game. To me, this makes up for the at least four times the Patriots have been robbed in the playoffs during Brady's career. I watched the video seveal times and am certain of one thing you don’t know what PI is. If you want post video of the others I am sure they will also confirm your lack of football knowledge. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: Tenshot13 on February 05, 2019, 02:16:28 pm I just watched the video and it's worse than I thought...I have to agree with hoodie.
Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 05, 2019, 02:38:49 pm One more factor in the game that just popped into my head......
Both Zac Taylor and Brian Flores were in very similar positions. Zac Taylor's job was to prepare Goff to face the New England Patriots in the super bowl, but Zac knew that immediately following the Superbowl he would be in charge of rebuilding the Bengals. Likewise Brian's job was to make Goff's night miserable also knowing that once the game was over he would be dedicating his life to replacing New England on the top of the AFCE, AFC and NFL. Was the X factor that Flores did his current job and ignored the distraction of his future one, while Taylor allowed his next job to be a distraction? We will probably never know....but it could be a possibility. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on February 05, 2019, 04:35:52 pm Ok, I will play your game
First off, I notice you never answered my question about the offsides on the Philly Special. Secondly, I have the NFL rulebook here right for you: https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2018-nfl-rulebook/#section-5-pass-interference ARTICLE 2. PROHIBITED ACTS BY BOTH TEAMS WHILE THE BALL IS IN THE AIR Acts that are pass interference include, but are not limited to: (a) Contact by a player who is not playing the ball that restricts the opponent’s opportunity to make the catch. (b) Playing through the back of an opponent in an attempt to make a play on the ball. (c) Grabbing an opponent’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass. The Patriots defender is clearly grabbing the receiver's arm in that video. It prevents him from getting his arm up and forces him to try to make a one-handed catch. I am using the NFL rulebook. How can you say I don't know what pass interference is? Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 05, 2019, 05:05:55 pm keep reading......
"Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference. Article 3. Permissible Acts by both teams while the ball is in the air Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to: Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference. Being the defender looked back, it is not PI. Off sides can occur for both offense or defense. Or they could have called it as false start. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on February 05, 2019, 05:27:48 pm keep reading...... "Note: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference. Article 3. Permissible Acts by both teams while the ball is in the air Acts that are permissible by a player include, but are not limited to: Incidental contact by an opponent’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference. Being the defender looked back, it is not PI. Off sides can occur for both offense or defense. Or they could have called it as false start. He clearly is not playing the ball or competing for the ball. He is beaten on the play and is trying to hold back the receiver. If this is legal coverage, I hope Brian Flores calls the Dolphins secondary together for a meeting: "Gentlemen, if you are beaten on a play, just grab the receiver's arm and turn back." Hit the pause button at 18 seconds. I did watch the Philly Special. I didn't see a false start. I do remember a formation controversy on that play, however, the receiver did check with the ref before the play started, which makes it legal. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 05, 2019, 05:42:16 pm Not going to continue wasting my time with you. You want to believe that Brady's success is all luck. And others failures like your own are all bad luck. And you will ignore what you can clearly see to continue keep that view.
But the reality is while luck is a factor, success does not come from luck, it come make the best of your good luck and preserving thru bad luck. I am sure it is easier for you to sleep with the thought that others successes come from good luck, and your lack of success comes from bad luck. I won't convince you otherwise, because that would require more than you understanding football, it would require you to alter you own life view. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: dolphins4life on February 05, 2019, 06:02:12 pm Not going to continue wasting my time with you. You want to believe that Brady's success is all luck. And others failures like your own are all bad luck. And you will ignore what you can clearly see to continue keep that view. But the reality is while luck is a factor, success does not come from luck, it come make the best of your good luck and preserving thru bad luck. I am sure it is easier for you to sleep with the thought that others successes come from good luck, and your lack of success comes from bad luck. I won't convince you otherwise, because that would require more than you understanding football, it would require you to alter you own life view. I am discussing officiating in the Super Bowl, which has nothing to do with Brady. It also has nothing to do with my football success or failure. I only played at the high school level, so I guess you could say I failed to make the pros, which was entirely due to my lack of ability. My belief is that while the calls were bad 1) The Rams could easily have overcome them 2) The Patriots have been robbed at least four times in the Brady Era, so it is actually kind of nice to see it even out somewhat. When the Patriots have been on the wrong end of calls, their fans often say, "Good teams can overcome them.". They rarely blame the refs for Patriot losses. This is commendable, but until recently, the Patriots had never gotten any calls in playoffs, so it was kind of unfair. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 06, 2019, 03:42:02 pm Random thought.....
Everyone knows BB's game plan is to take away your best player. For the Rams offense that is Gurley. So no doubt NE spend plenty of time and effort developing a plan to stop Gurley. And the bread and butter of the Ram's offense is play action. So....McVay says....."if their game plan is designed to take away Gurley and stop play action, I won't play Gurley or use play action..... they won't have a game plan to defend against us and have to wing it." Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: masterfins on February 07, 2019, 05:53:56 pm Random thought..... Everyone knows BB's game plan is to take away your best player. For the Rams offense that is Gurley. So no doubt NE spend plenty of time and effort developing a plan to stop Gurley. And the bread and butter of the Ram's offense is play action. So....McVay says....."if their game plan is designed to take away Gurley and stop play action, I won't play Gurley or use play action..... they won't have a game plan to defend against us and have to wing it." LOL, you may just be right. Title: Re: Super Bowl 53 Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 11, 2019, 04:56:06 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZufziHTQ2k
I was watching this. @16:00 you hear the ref tell a Rams player to "be smart I almost threw a flag don't throw him to the ground like that" I have to say that there is exactly the type of play were fans need to step back and relax and not jump up and down and claim every call that doesn't go exactly their way some sort of vast conspiracy. When the same player does the exact same thing, that same player now get a flag. You get fans on one side claiming both should have been flags, and on the other side claiming neither should have been a flag. But what really happened is both were right on the boarder and the first time it happened the ref gave a warning and the second time a flag and that is actually a pretty fair way to handle it. |