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I was thinking this morning...I have no idea who Miami plays this weekend.

There was a time, years ago, I literally would not miss a game.  While in Hawaii I made a point to belly up to the bar at 9am (5 hour time difference) for the 1pm kickoffs.  My license plate read "Phishfan." I knew the schedule by heart, along with the roster (and the scores). 

I had a subscription to the Dolphins Digest, I had become friendly with Andy Cohen and a few of the other writers in S. Florida over the years as our paths crossed while we covered our respective teams. 

Now?  I literally have no clue who we're playing this week.

The days of my youth are long gone, you won't ever find me as wound up about any sporting team ever again, no matter what circumstance presents itself.  But I wonder what the team will need to do in order to get me even passively interested in this team again.  It's pretty bad I have no idea who the team is playing in four days.

I wonder if they do?

LOL same.  ^^^^^ Miami play the Giants BTW....  The nostalgia of awaiting for Sundays have diminished these past few years. I kinda not care to get pumped , to decide which jersey im gonna wear or getting my Man Cave ready for football. Hell the Hurricanes have been pissing me off as well  ;D  Sundays just come and go, Been actually working on my Motorcycle and other projects.   At least the HEAT are kickin ass

Giants who are 2-11 so an important game for determining draft order.

+1 for Mai Tai's at 9AM in Honolulu while watching football.   Like everyone else already said, there have been a couple times this year when even late in the week I had no idea who the Dolphins were playing.  Far cry from the days when I lived and died by Dolphins football. 

I've watched every game this year and know when and who they play.  I like to see how the young guys do that I pretty much know are going to continue on the team like Needham, Baker, Wilkins, etc.  Plus it's fun to watch Fitzmagic run around the field.

While my interest is definitely much less ... and I think I've only watched parts of a few games ... I typically know who we are playing. I listen to Miami sports radio every day so it's kind of hard not to.

I knew they were playing the Giants, but that's just because I'm going to the game.  I'm just hoping it's not a cold rainy game.  Hopefully the heavy rain from Saturday does not carry over to Sunday.  Current forecast is 46 degrees, some sun, windy.

Big loss for us, now if we lose out we will finish no further than 3rd and possibly even 2nd. Neither the Giants or Redskins will take Tua but they could be offered a trade they can't pass up if some team really wants Tua.

At this point, if we finish 3rd then I think we take Tua 100%. Our first round trade picks are going to both be in the 20s due to unbelievably bad luck so we probably won't be able to take any other QB in the first round unless we reach.

WSH will definitely take a QB if they're #1, and I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility for NYG.  Of the teams with 3 wins or fewer, only DET and ARI are locks to pass on a QB.

I also think that "if we lose out" is a pretty enormous if.  I see very little chance that CIN will allow MIA to lose next week when they can clinch the #1 pick by losing themselves.  A 4-win MIA team can fall as far as 8th.

Both Giants and Skins spent 1st rounders on QBs they are currently starting, Giants with the 6th pick and the Skins with the 15th so it would seem unlikely either take a QB, even if a miracle happened and they picked #1.

I agree with you about Cincy, that will be a tough one to lose and a loss probably takes us out of drafting a QB this offseason. One meaningless Week 16 game can be franchise altering for decades to come. I hope Fitzpatrick brings his sucking boots to the game next week.

Let me ask you guys this.   Let's assume you guys finish at #2 behind Cincy.   If you wanted Burrow that bad, would you offer to swap picks with Cincy in exchange for the #1 and #2 you acquired in those trades earlier this season? 

More importantly, if you're the Cincy GM, do you take that deal?

I don't see how Cincy doesn't draft Burrow with the #1 pick. He checks off every box for a franchise QB and Dalton is in his 30s and was never an amazing QB anyway. Even if we get the #2 pick, the cost of moving up that one spot would probably be both our extra 1st Rounders and I don't want to pay that price with Tua and Chase Young also available(in case Tua's injury is really bad).

I would give up one of our 1st Rounders though but I would be more concerned by a team doing what the Rams and Eagles did and just forfeiting their future to get that #1 pick. We shouldn't compete with a crazy offer like that with so many holes on the roster. Just pray that we lose out and Cincy pulls off two straight. They are terrible but have been competitively terrible the past few weeks.

we need quantity more than anything .. if our QB isn't there at #2 or 3 then trade down and pick up more picks .. pick them up this year .. pick them up for next year .. just get more picks

Not a slam on you but I hate when people say this like it's so easy. More times than not teams try to trade down and can't.

Wouldn't matter if we offered, Cincy wouldn't take it. Burrows is a lock and Tua is not even in the running anymore in my opinion. I wouldn't take him in the first half of round one let alone with the #2 pick. Remember that he's probably going to miss all of next year (he absolutely should) and might not even apply for the draft. The Dolphins don't need to have a rookie QB they can't even kick the tires on next year that would be a HUGE gamble. They need a QB who can either play next year or learn from Fitzpatrick next year otherwise they might as well wait to 2021 to draft a QB.

Chase Young said to TMZ that right now his plan is to return to Ohio State next season. I realize that's BS but if it did happen then it really comes down to one player and our tank was for naught.

This is a good example on why the tank talk for one player is nonsense.  There are going to be a lot of solid picks, because we miss out on Burrow or Young doesn't make all of this meaningless.  I still think we should take best player available and draft a QB next year, unless Burrow is there, which he won't because the Bengals will take him.

They already have aQB  who can learn from Fitzy. Nobody really knows enough about Rozen yet to see what he brings, right? Maybe the Dolphins should just wait and see what they have in Rozen?

Big game this weekend against the Bengals, must lose to have shot at #1 overall.

I'm ok with that, but I'm not using the 2nd pick in the draft to sit out for a year. I'm really hoping that Tua actually returns for another year of college and then applies for the draft. I think it would be the right thing to do for himself. He'll go high in the 2021 draft if he's healthy again.

But the Bengals can secure the #1 spot with a loss as well. What happens if both teams just refuse to take the field?

In all seriousness, Dolphins should start Rosen. There's no downside. Make up an injury or illness to Fitzpatrick if you have to.

The #1 pick is already lost to me, I'm just focusing on staying in the Top 3. We lose out and we pick #2. If we win we can drop all the way to 6th and get no QB, no Chase Young and no OT from Georgia. We can still get a great talent but throwing away a franchise QB for a Week 16 win against a 1 win team? I sincerely hope the whole team gets a stomach virus and has to forfeit.

I disagree. We sacrificed a really shitty season to get a game changing player. This means thousands of fans spent money to see a really shitty product with no chance to win let alone compete for playoff spot. Had all tickets and travel been refunded then I'd say it wasn't for naught. As it is many fans have suffered all season for what? An offensive tackle that may not even be as good as the one we gave away.

BTW ... our drafting sucks. We rarely hit on anything beyond the second round. We've already wasted two picks on Rosen so I kind of expect us to waste a lot more since we are losing out on the only sure things (well.. as sure as can be in the NF). At that rate it could take us many years just to get back to 8-8.

League would not allow that.  But I would love to see some week 17 game where both teams just score safeties each time they get the ball. 

You're jaded.  We didn't throw the season away for one good player.  We threw the season away for NINE picks in the first two rounds in 2020 and 2021 and $117 MILLION in cap space.  We have the least amount of talent in the NFL and aren't the worst team.  The coaching staff looks like they are competent.  Rosen was a shot at a  franchise QB for a 2nd rounder, and I'm still not going to say that was a bad move, he's still young and might have learned something sitting behind Fitz.  Like I said, jaded, future is bright.

LMAO ... they have given up on him. He isn't playing now so more than likely he has played his last game in a Dolphins uniform.

Flores said today ... "We’re always going to do what we feel is in the best for this team,” Flores said. “We’re going to play the guy that gives us the best chance to win. We feel like that’s Ryan. It’s been that way for the last 8-10 weeks and we’ll continue to go that way.”

Actually if we have learned anything from Flores it's that he doesn't give up on a guy just because he's not starting. I think you're thinking of some previous coaching staffs.

You can say that but the guys with the team everyday are saying different. Armando, Joe Rose, Omar & Channing Crowder have all said that staff appears to have given up" on Rosen in the past week and as late as today. In fact ... Armando said today on Joe Rose that Chris Grier said very recently "We have our coach and now we need to find our franchise QB". Armando stressed that Rosen was never mentioned during any talk of franchise QB.

The difference being "We haven't found our franchise QB yet" and "We've given up on Josh Rosen ever being that guy."

If you are going to continue to quote Armando or Omar, I'm going to lose all respect for you. And I only have a slight more respect for Joe and Channing. Having played the sport they might have a bit of insight but they really don't see what goes on inside closed doors either so they really are just reporting what they hear from coaches etc which tends to be about as valuable as what Armando and Omar know which isn't much.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the team is high on Rosen in any way shape or form, but I don't believe they have given up on him either. They are doing what you do with a young backup QB, you try to bring him along and hope that one day he can come off the bench and run the plays. Beyond that it's a crap shoot. People have this failed notion that you can tell a franchise QB before he becomes a franchise QB. Well you can't. There's a reason that Drew Brees is playing in New Orleans.

This is an easy question to answer, just by flipping it:  if MIA had the #1 pick, what would it take for CIN to pry it from their hands?

The answer is a LOT.  Like, the amount Mike Ditka traded for Ricky Williams, as in CIN's entire draft this year plus more picks next year.

So no, that is not a viable option.

Don't forget: MIA also threw away two recent first-round selections in franchise foundational positions, who were graded top 5 and miraculously fell to the Dolphins.  Both of whom were still on rookie contracts.

MIA has the worst point differential in the league, and it isn't close.  They are 50 points worse than the 1-win Bengals.  So no, I would not agree that MIA is not the worst team in the league.  Yes, there is one team with a worse record, but that team has been much more competitive on a week-to-week basis than the Dolphins.  And compared to the remaining 30 teams, MIA has been the worst by a wide margin.

You make that trade for Tunsil every time, we got a ridiculous haul for him.  He hasn't been that great this year either, he has the most penalties in the league at his position.  Minkah was a loss with a lowercase "l" because at least we got back a first rounder for him.  He didn't want to play here, and didn't buy in to the coaching staff, so I wouldn't want him here anyways.  Players in their second year haven't earned enough respect to be asking for trades IMO, so don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

As far as Miami being the worst team:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/17/nfl-power-rankings-week-shocking-loss-by-ers-rearranges-top-five/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/12/17/nfl-power-rankings-week-shocking-loss-by-ers-rearranges-top-five/)
Ranked 28th

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28308242/week-16-nfl-power-rankings-1-32-poll-plus-two-words-describe-team-offseason (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28308242/week-16-nfl-power-rankings-1-32-poll-plus-two-words-describe-team-offseason)
Ranked 31

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/nate-davis/2019/12/17/week-15-nfl-power-rankings-seahawks-ravens/2671799001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/nate-davis/2019/12/17/week-15-nfl-power-rankings-seahawks-ravens/2671799001/)
Ranked 29

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-power-rankings-is-the-49-ers-loss-a-cause-for-any-concern-044632172.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-power-rankings-is-the-49-ers-loss-a-cause-for-any-concern-044632172.html)
Ranked 29

In fact I can't find a current power ranking where Miami is last. 

LMAO ... yes .... I'm sure you have way more insight to the team than former Dolphins players and current Dolphins team radio announcers Joe Rose and Channing Crowder. Joe has mentioned several times that the writers have more access to the team than anyone so although their opinions may be skewed at times they do have inside information.

BTW ... every time I hear anyone bash any of the writers for knowing nothing I think of PFT and Mike Florio . It wasn't that long ago that it was "cool" for many fans to bash them as being fake news while now everyone affiliated with the NFL looks to Mike Florio for the latest rumors. hahaha

They have more access to the team meaning they talk to the coaches and players who tell them what they want them to print/say. What they don't want them to print/say they don't tell them. What the writers don't hear from the coaches/players is simply their opinion and isn't really worth much more then my opinion. No one is quoting me on the Dolphins and shouldn't.

The fact that he isn’t playing the last two weeks of the season tells me they have seen enough of him to make a decision, and that decision is he isn’t the future. 

I don't think it would take that much to move up one spot in the draft.  Look at what the Bears gave to the Niners in 2017 as more of a guideline.

For this pick, it would require a lot because we both want the same player. We both need a franchise QB and while Tua is a great consolation prize, you have to see how healthy he is. If we moved up from 11th to 10th to select a Tight End that the Bengals didn't want, it would cost a 2nd rounder or less. To steal away their franchise QB? Minimum 1st and 2nd Rounder if not both of our extra firsts. We shouldn't make that deal.

I'm not so convinced that the Dolphins HAVE to take a QB. Why not just see what Rozen can do with a solid team that they can build around him with this draft.

Because we won't have a chance to draft a QB this high for probably a long time. We would have to take our chances on a QB not at the top of his class or hope a 4th round project pans out. Not impossible but our best chance to get a franchise QB is right now.....unless we beat the Bengals then we're fucked.

It's not like Rosen lost his laser rocket arm.  His issue is he reads defenses waaay too slow.  If he can improve on that by sitting, which is possible, I don't see why we shouldn't try building a solid team around him and trying him out next year.  I don't really care what direction they go in, I trust the process, as long as they don't take Herbert with that first 1st round draft pick.

The fact that he isn't playing the last two weeks of the season tells me that Ryan Fitzpatrick is a better QB then Josh Rosen right now. Not really earth shattering news there especially with Fitzpatrick playing at a higher level then Tom Brady is currently. At the moment Miami's franchise QB is Ryan Fitzpatrick and there's no reason to think that Fitzpatrick won't be starting for Miami next year regardless of whom is chosen in the draft.

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/ebke37/yungmayo_ryan_fitzpatrick_vs_tom_brady_in_their/

https://www.reddit.com/r/miamidolphins/comments/ec4wsg/ryan_fitzpatrick_is_rank_10_for_the_espn_qbr/

He should play this week to evaluate his development of getting better at reading defenses.  If he hasn’t developed enough to read Zac Taylor defenses, he isn’t going to get it.  Might still make it if BB confuses him the following week, but if he isn’t up to playing the Bengals, its over.

Well if you believe the coach he's starting the player that gives his team the best chance to win which he believes is Fitzpatrick. I have no reason to doubt him as he really hasn't swayed from that stance since game 1. He also said that they are evaluating Rosen in practice and don't need him to start to do that. Maybe he feels his own defense is a better test for Rosen then the Bengals defense? Now if you want to read into that you can, the writers in Miami are, but if you believe him then it doesn't mean a thing.

I don’t doubt Fitz gives the team a better chance to win than Rosen.  But if that is true than Rosen is not developing into a franchise QB.  The fact they don’t want to test him under real game situation, tells me he is doing very poorly in practice.  Also if he was showing some improvement but not enough to keep him they would want to put that on film to help his trade value.

He has no trade value worth mentioning.

^^^^This is what everyone is saying. I'm not sure how much time he will spend addressing this issue in the offseason. He does a lot in the way of fighting climate change and saving the environment. 

If Aaron Rodgers weren't so busy making commercials and doing endorsements, maybe it wouldn't have been 9 years since his last Super Bowl appearance.

Come on, man.  I know you think environmental activism is for suckers, but is this really the criticism you want to offer about Rosen?  This is like saying that that Tim Tebow would be in the NFL today if he had spent more time with his face in a playbook and less time with his face in the Bible.