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Title: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: masterfins on December 24, 2019, 02:20:49 pm
It's that time of year when some NFL coaches are thinking more about getting fired than what they are getting for Christmas.  Seems like there are an awful lot of firing possibilities, at least (10) that I can think of, so I'm kind of surprised no one has been axed yet so their ownership can get a headstart on finding their next coach.

My first nomination for firing is Dan Quinn, Atlanta head coach.  Falcons' owner Arthur Blank wants results after getting a taste for the Super Bowl, and the Falcons have underperformed.



Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on December 26, 2019, 01:43:17 pm
It's that time of year when some NFL coaches are thinking more about getting fired than what they are getting for Christmas.  Seems like there are an awful lot of firing possibilities, at least (10) that I can think of, so I'm kind of surprised no one has been axed yet so their ownership can get a headstart on finding their next coach.

My first nomination for firing is Dan Quinn, Atlanta head coach.  Falcons' owner Arthur Blank wants results after getting a taste for the Super Bowl, and the Falcons have underperformed.

Losing that Super Bowl the way they did set them back big time and it's gone downhill for them ever since.   I don't think they will recover for a long long time, especially with their key players on offense getting long in the tooth.   Quinn is definitely on the hot seat.

Another hot seat coach would be Browns coach Freddie Kitchens.   The team went out and traded and signed and spent like there was no tomorrow, and this team couldn't even make the playoffs.   Another perfect example of how futile it is to build your team primarily through free agency. 

Lastly, Jason Garrett is on a hot seat that may turn nuclear if the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs.  IMO, he should've been gone a long time ago.  With the talent that has come through there, a half decent coach could've had them in the playoffs for many seasons. 


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 26, 2019, 02:03:56 pm
I predict nobody in the AFCE gets fired.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Pappy13 on December 26, 2019, 02:29:37 pm
I predict nobody in the AFCE gets fired.
I'm not too sure about Gase. I don't think they performed up to expectations and I think he's angered a lot of folks in NY with some comments lately. Wouldn't surprise me to see them reload at headcoach again this year. It's not like they would be losing any ground they had made.

I would just like to say that I personally liked Gase as a headcoach but his track record is poor and if what they say in some of the recent articles is true, then I really can't defend him anymore.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Pappy13 on December 26, 2019, 02:31:44 pm
Lastly, Jason Garrett is on a hot seat that may turn nuclear if the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs.  IMO, he should've been gone a long time ago.  With the talent that has come through there, a half decent coach could've had them in the playoffs for many seasons. 

Garret is out even if the Cowboys make the playoffs. That's a given. The only way he saves his job at this point is if they somehow manage to make the Superbowl and that ain't happening.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 26, 2019, 02:37:22 pm
I'm not too sure about Gase.

Jets will give him a second year.  Coaches rarely only get one year, and the Jets improved from last year.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 26, 2019, 03:03:41 pm
Garret is out even if the Cowboys make the playoffs. That's a given. The only way he saves his job at this point is if they somehow manage to make the Superbowl and that ain't happening.

Not even then, he would need to win the Superbowl.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: masterfins on December 26, 2019, 04:11:28 pm
I predict nobody in the AFCE gets fired.

Are you sure BB won't get axed if he doesn't win a SB??  He's only won (3) in the last 14 years. lol


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 26, 2019, 04:36:40 pm
Arthur Blank said he would fire Quinn if the team didn't rattle off some wins, and so they did going from 3rd in the draft to 13th  ;D

They can conceivably end the year 7-9 after starting the year 1-7. So, hard to fire a coach after ending the year 6-2 but he will be fired next season if they aren't more competitive.

Jason Garrett will be fired if he doesn't win the Superbowl so he's fired.

Giants head coach may get another season as that team is really lacking in talent due to management.

Gase is safe, Jets are ending the year on a high note plus this is just his first season and he got the GM fired. He will have another season guaranteed.

Doug Marrone should be fired from the Jags.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 26, 2019, 07:48:08 pm
Are you sure BB won't get axed if he doesn't win a SB??  He's only one (3) in the last 14 years. lol

It is possible he might retire.  But he won’t be fired.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 27, 2019, 09:59:10 am
It is possible he might retire.  But he won’t be fired.

I think if he and Brady win the Superbowl again, they will both retire. No one will ever touch their championship rings record and what is left to prove? Better to go out on top than perhaps suffer an embarrassing 2020 season when the wheels finally come off and the team goes 6-10.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 27, 2019, 09:59:56 am
Dan Quinn will keep his job per the team. He will give up some coordinator duties but stay on as the head coach.

Of course, if they start off 1-5 next season then he will be fired.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Pappy13 on December 27, 2019, 11:32:41 am
I think if he and Brady win the Superbowl again, they will both retire. No one will ever touch their championship rings record and what is left to prove? Better to go out on top than perhaps suffer an embarrassing 2020 season when the wheels finally come off and the team goes 6-10.
No way. BB wants to prove he can win without Brady. He'll stay at least 1 year beyond Brady's retirement.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 27, 2019, 12:02:29 pm
No way. BB wants to prove he can win without Brady. He'll stay at least 1 year beyond Brady's retirement.
People say this, but is it true?  What makes you think that's the case?


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 27, 2019, 12:43:23 pm
No way. BB wants to prove he can win without Brady. He'll stay at least 1 year beyond Brady's retirement.

I don't think there is any shame in having the most successful QB/Coach tandem of all time. He went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, that should be good enough. Why risk going 6-10 next season without Brady? There just isn't anything left to prove, the rings speak for themselves. I think they both retire after the season unless they lose 78-0 to the Ravens.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Pappy13 on December 27, 2019, 05:25:46 pm
People say this, but is it true?  What makes you think that's the case?
Ego the size of the earth. If i'm wrong and he does retire when Brady does, he'll get even more respect from me then I give him now.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 28, 2019, 12:24:12 pm
I predict neither retire at the end of season.  Brady picks his next team based on who has the best o-line and receiving corp.  Belichick wants to prove he can win without Brady.

Brady’s ego doesn’t allow him to retire.  He plays until no team is willing to sign him.

Belichick coaches until he reaches 348 wins.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 28, 2019, 02:22:42 pm
I don't think there is any shame in having the most successful QB/Coach tandem of all time. He went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, that should be good enough.
Belichick has been a head coach for 7 seasons without Brady behind center.  He made the playoffs once (CLE in '94, with Testaverde at QB).  His total record without Brady is 52-60 (1-1 playoffs).


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on December 29, 2019, 08:26:45 pm
Kitchens is gones.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 29, 2019, 09:53:03 pm
Kitchens is gones.

Terrible coaching job, from play calling to fighting with his own players. Should be a coveted job, team is pretty talented.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 30, 2019, 09:21:23 am
Pat Shurmur has been fired by the Giants.

Bruce Allen has been fired by the Redskins as their team President. Let's see how this affects their draft plans. You know that a new management team coming in may not like their existing 1st round QB as he wasn't "their guy". We just saw this with Arizona dumping Josh Rosen for Kyler Murray. Could shake up the whole draft.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on December 30, 2019, 10:13:27 am
Pat Shurmur has been fired by the Giants.

Bruce Allen has been fired by the Redskins as their team President. Let's see how this affects their draft plans. You know that a new management team coming in may not like their existing 1st round QB as he wasn't "their guy". We just saw this with Arizona dumping Josh Rosen for Kyler Murray. Could shake up the whole draft.

Skins didn't waste any time.   Picked up former Panthers HC Ron Rivera.   


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Tenshot13 on December 30, 2019, 10:19:27 am
Skins didn't waste any time.   Picked up former Panthers HC Ron Rivera.   
Panthers should have never fired him.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Pappy13 on December 30, 2019, 10:26:01 am
Terrible coaching job, from play calling to fighting with his own players. Should be a coveted job, team is pretty talented.
But lacks discipline. Whomever they choose has their work cut out for them.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on December 30, 2019, 10:46:20 am
Kitchens is gones.

Terrible coaching job, from play calling to fighting with his own players. Should be a coveted job, team is pretty talented.

But lacks discipline. Whomever they choose has their work cut out for them.

That team reminded me of the 1995 Dolphins.   Signed a bunch of players and went nowhere and cost Don Shula his job.   Except the Dolphins actually made the playoffs.   The Browns underperformed all season and yesterday they mailed it in and lost to the worst team in the league.  No way you keep the coach after that. 


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: BuccaneerBrad on January 02, 2020, 10:21:52 pm
Jason Garrett is the latest on the coaching carousel.  Cowboys just announced he will not be returning in 2020.   IMO, he grossly underachieved with all that talent on his roster.  This is something that should've been done a long time ago.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 03, 2020, 08:54:07 am
Jason Garrett is the latest on the coaching carousel.  Cowboys just announced he will not be returning in 2020.   IMO, he grossly underachieved with all that talent on his roster.  This is something that should've been done a long time ago.

Cowboys have not announced anything.  ESPN has speculated that they will part ways.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on January 03, 2020, 09:00:30 am
Jason Garrett is the latest on the coaching carousel.  Cowboys just announced he will not be returning in 2020.   IMO, he grossly underachieved with all that talent on his roster.  This is something that should've been done a long time ago.

Poorly run franchises see teams like the Patriots and Steelers with their long time coaches and say "Stability is the key!" and it is.....with the right coach. You can't just keep a bum in power for a decade and expect success. I would actually say they wasted about 2 trips to the Superbowl with that idiot at the helm. The NFC East better watch out because if they hire a good coach then they will become a powerhouse.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: CF DolFan on January 03, 2020, 11:01:42 am
Cowboys have not announced anything.  ESPN has speculated that they will part ways.
Heard some interesting rumors today. Heard Gary Kubiak might already have the job. He's not going to be a coach who needs total control in the day to day and that let's Jerry be Jerry.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Fau Teixeira on January 03, 2020, 02:13:05 pm
I don't think the cowboys underachieved. I think they're right where they should be. Dak is massively overrated. Elliot is ok, but this is a passing league. They have no receivers and a has been TE. They're just not a good team and it shows. Nothing Garret could have done.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: Pappy13 on January 03, 2020, 02:38:03 pm
I don't think the cowboys underachieved. I think they're right where they should be. Dak is massively overrated. Elliot is ok, but this is a passing league. They have no receivers and a has been TE. They're just not a good team and it shows. Nothing Garret could have done.
Well that may be what you think but that's not what just about everyone in Dallas and most outside of Dallas thought. Most thought this was the year they went deep into the playoffs if not the Superbowl. Those were the expectations nationally.

If they were overrated, it was on the defensive side of the ball. Dak and Elliot had very good years and their offense did well. The defense was exposed however. They VASTLY overperformed last year mostly due to a number of big defensive plays, caused a lot of turnovers etc. That setup up the offense and it worked. This year without the defense causing any turnovers the offense had to drive the length of the field far too often which they did for a lot of yards, but not for a lot of points. This is what happens when your defense is bad, it forces the offense to be great and they weren't able to do that.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 10, 2020, 12:42:22 pm
While I will never root against the Patriots, I think it would be absolutely hilarious if Josh McD as head coach of the Browns got his first playoff win against BB & the Patriots as the last time the Browns won a playoff game BB was their coach and it was against NE.


Title: Re: Winter 2019 Coaching Hotseat
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on January 12, 2020, 01:22:45 pm
Browns hire Kevin Stefanski.

End of the hires.