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I'm sorry but this guy does not belong in the HOF.  It is not the "Hall of good." 

As a Dallas Cowboys coach, coaching without a salary cap (oh; y'all forgot he came before that, huh)?

Total record of 44-36, winning percentage of .550, two Super Bowls.

As a coach of the Miami Dolphins:

*Ruined the last years of one of the greatest QBs to ever play the game
*Never won the AFC East.  During his time every team in the AFC East won the title except the Miami Dolphins.
*Quit in 1999, stating he was "burned out, " reversing his decision a day later.
Finished with a 36-28 record in Miami
ZERO playoff wins

He wasn't a BAD coach.  He is NOT a Hall of Fame Coach.

I saw this dog and pony show on TV last night and this guy crying on TV and could only think "he's crying because he knows he fooled them all." 

Complete joke.

He is over rated. He got in on the Cowboys brand more than anything else.  Plenty of better coaches to choose from.

Is there a coach not in the HoF that have won more than two Superbowls, especially two in a row?  Current coaches withstanding.

EDIT:  Looked it up, Tom Flores, George Seifert and Mike Shanahan are the only three, with Mike Shanahan winning two in a row.

^^^^Caughlin.  But I am not sure if he is eligible this year or next.

I didn't realize how long he's been out of coaching, but yeah him too.

My personal criteria would run deeper than titles.  There are plenty of players running around out there with numerous titles (thanks, NE) who are not HOF worthy...but have multiple rings.

When you have an overall winning percentage barely over .500 and, one of those cities, took over a team from the highest win total coach of all time and a rock star offense with a fairly down division and did squat...that factors in.  

I did misspeak, he had two playoff wins in Miami to go along with his 38-31 record and 62-7 bouncing from Jacksonville to end his, and Marino's, career.  

Again, JJ was a good coach in this league.  There are and were a lot of good coaches.  He isn't HOF (and I may or may not have a deep burning hatred for the guy).  

Jimmy Johnson and Wanny have been my two nominees for this site's Ring of Dishonor for years.

I would say Caughlin is immensely more qualified to be in the HoF than JJ.  He was the coach of the second greatest upset in SB history. 

What was first?

I think Jimmy's fingerprint is definitely a part of the NFL. Besides building that dynasty of a team he developed the draft trade chart that is very much still in use. As well ... to this day many coaches in the NFL spend time in the Keys with Jimmy just to pick his brain. 

Jets over Colts.

I would say titles and win % are a better measure for coaches than players.  You can be a HoF player on a shitty team or a below average player on a championship team.  Coaches have overall team responsibilities.

Bill Belichick doesn't think so. It was on his recomendation that Jimmy's in the Hall.

If Cowher is a HOF coach, JJ definitely is.  And I think that many people credit Switzer's title to JJ.

If we're going to object to coaches in the HOF, JJ seems far down the list.  Why is Madden in?

He's one of those coaches I mentioned earlier that visits Jimmy in the Keys. "Belichick and Johnson go on fishing trips down in Florida where the two discuss football tactics and team management, according to Patriots.com’s Don Banks."

Switzer may have coached it, but it was Jimmy's team. That's not up for debate.

Part of the reason that Jimmy is in has nothing to do with his coaching. Some of it has to do with his larger than life personality that is still around the NFL to this day. That's how Madden got in and it's partly why Jimmy is in. I'm fine with Jimmy in the HOF. He deserves it as much as anyone not in the hall in my opinion.

I agree with that.  Tom Flores is more deserving than either JJ or Cowher, but Flores doesn't have a national TV show they could surprise him on. 

So by that logic, the Bucs Superbowl was Dungy's team even though Gruden coached it right?  That's what I think at least.

I wouldn't say that. Seemed like Gruden completed the team and made them whole. Switzer just didn't get in the way. Two different things.

Gruden provided the spark that offense was missing under Dungy.   But that defense was all Dungy's.  A combination of both, with them catching lightning in a bottle against Philly, is what got them over the hump.  Then the piper came to collect.  Still, I wouldn't trade that season for the world.

Are you kidding me?  That spark didn't come until week 17, it was ALL Dungy/Kiffin's defense.  The defense outscored the offense like the first 4 weeks of the season.  Put Dungy there for that year, and they still win the Superbowl, I don't doubt that at all.

JJ's team had already won twice and were the reigning champs when he was forced out.
Had Dungy already won two rings with the Bucs, damn straight Gruden would get no credit for inheriting a championship team.  And the same goes for Mora and Dungy in Indy.

You are incorrect.  He won two playoff games with Miami.  One in 1998 and one in 1999

This argument always annoyed me. Or, rather, the extension of the argument where basically NO credit was given to Gruden for his old team getting to Super Bowl and basically NO credit for his new team getting there either. All things considered, I'm more on the other side where if anything, he gets more than 1 Super Bowl's worth of credit.

I'll give Gruden credit for the Raiders getting to the Superbowl that year, they should have been in the year before if it wasn't for the lame tuck rule.

This really is a huge contribution to the way NFL teams operate with regard to drafting/trading players.  Not to mention who knows how many SB's he would have won if he was not forced out at Dallas.  He built that team with huge amount of trades and deserves most, if not all, of the credit for turning the Cowboys around.  For these reasons I think he is HoF worthy, and I've never really liked the guy.

And also the fact that he was the first coach to win it all at the college and pro levels.   The man can coach up some great teams if he's allowed to do his thing.   

This may anger Dolphins fans, but the Dolphins ownership should've allowed him to move on from Dan Marino. 

So let's suppose JJ trades Marino in '96.  Who does he pick up?  Here is the list of every QB drafted after MIA's first pick from 1996-1999:

1996: Tony Banks, Bobby Hoying, Jeff Lewis, Danny Kanell, Spence Fischer, Mike Cawley
1997: Jim Druckenmiller, Jake Plummer, Danny Wuerffel, Pat Barnes, Mike Cherry, Chuck Clements, Tony Graziani, Koy Detmer, Wally Richardson, Tony Corbin, Ronnie McAda  
1998: Charlie Batch, Scott Frost, Jonathan Quinn, Brian Griese, John Dutton, Matt Hasselbeck, Moses Moreno
1999: Shaun King, Brock Huard, Joe Germaine, Aaron Brooks, Kevin Daft, Michael Bishop, Chris Greisen, Scott Covington

No one in that list is better than Marino before 2000.  Plummer, Griese, and Hasselbeck are the only ones who made a Pro Bowl in their career.  So unless you're saying that JJ should have signed Kurt Warner out of the Arena League...

Or Jeff George maybe.  He would've found someone somewhere and been able to coach them up. 

Not sure if the criticism is not trading Marino as much as not winning with Marino.  If you have a HoF quality QB AND a HoF quality coach you should have more success than they did. 

Not sure how much flack JJ would catch for not winning a SB with a team he's rebuilding when he has a 35+ year old QB on the tail end of his career, but OK.

He's a troll I don't know how some of you don't see that

He's not a troll, just biased like the rest of us. That's not surprising given the current circumstances, but it is unfortunate that's he not more aware of it.