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Title: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 19, 2020, 01:22:28 pm I.. John Elway and Eli Manning. Both are HOF players Both are superbowl winning. Not certain if both are HOF Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: CF DolFan on February 19, 2020, 01:27:33 pm Both are superbowl winning. Not certain if both are HOF I've heard a few of the voters speak about this and they seemed to think he will get in fairly easily. People are in the HOF for many reasons and there is no doubt his post season history is enough to get him there. Whether or not he meets a few fans' criteria will not matter. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 19, 2020, 02:39:16 pm I've heard a few of the voters speak about this and they seemed to think he will get in fairly easily. People are in the HOF for many reasons and there is no doubt his post season history is enough to get him there. Whether or not he meets a few fans' criteria will not matter. I am not saying he definitely won’t get in, but he is hardly a slam dunk. I have mixed feelings about him getting in. There are solid arguments for and against. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: EDGECRUSHER on February 19, 2020, 02:43:19 pm I am not saying he definitely won’t get in, but he is hardly a slam dunk. I have mixed feelings about him getting in. There are solid arguments for and against. He is very polarizing. He has had some great years and some bad years. Certainly not on the level of his brother but he passes the longevity and playoff test for HoF. I don't think there is a wrong answer when it comes to him. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Tenshot13 on February 19, 2020, 02:51:13 pm As much as I love Eli being Patriot kryptonite, he shouldn't be in the HoF. His stats aren't HoF worthy. There are other QBs with 2 SB wins that aren't in.
Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Pappy13 on February 19, 2020, 03:55:12 pm I am not saying he definitely won’t get in, but he is hardly a slam dunk. I have mixed feelings about him getting in. There are solid arguments for and against. He beat the Patriots twice in the Superbowl. That alone should be enough to get him into the Hall. It's good enough for me. Quit being butthurt about it. LOLTitle: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 19, 2020, 05:18:15 pm He beat the Patriots twice in the Superbowl. That alone should be enough to get him into the Hall. It's good enough for me. Quit being butthurt about it. LOL Two games are literally his whole HOF argument. Overall he was a quite mediocre QB. But Joe Namoth got in despite a fairly average career because of one game. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: CF DolFan on February 19, 2020, 05:30:01 pm Two games are literally his whole HOF argument. Overall he was a quite mediocre QB. But Joe Namoth got in despite a fairly average career because of one game. He could also get in for his ironman consecutive starts ala the Cal Ripken.For me I think Michael Irvin nails it with these lines ... He made a HUGE play in two separate Super Bowl games, and both plays ultimately led to Giants victories. Eli had ice in his veins with the game on the line, making some of the best plays in Super Bowl history. His two passes to David Tyree and Mario Manningham will be shown every time the Super Bowl is mentioned. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 19, 2020, 05:57:56 pm He could also get in for his ironman consecutive starts ala the Cal Ripken. For me I think Michael Irvin nails it with these lines ... He made a HUGE play in two separate Super Bowl games, and both plays ultimately led to Giants victories. Eli had ice in his veins with the game on the line, making some of the best plays in Super Bowl history. His two passes to David Tyree and Mario Manningham will be shown every time the Super Bowl is mentioned. But if you extend that logic David Tyree belongs in the Hof. That play was more the catch than the throw. And of the 2 SBs that was the more significant one, Not much of a career but a historic super bowl play. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Pappy13 on February 19, 2020, 08:38:15 pm Two games are literally his whole HOF argument. Overall he was a quite mediocre QB. But Joe Namoth got in despite a fairly average career because of one game. » Two-time Super Bowl champion» Two-time Super Bowl MVP » Four-time Pro Bowler » Ranks seventh in NFL history with 57,023 passing yards » Ranks seventh in NFL history with 366 passing TDs » Third-most consecutive starts by a QB (210) in the NFL » 2016 NFL Walter Payton Man of the Year The above certainly doesn't seem like 2 games is his whole HOF career, those 2 games just topped off his career. Without those games he's not hall of fame material, but with them, he is. I'm not saying he's a slam dunk or anything, but he's certainly a legitimate candidate. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Pappy13 on February 19, 2020, 08:48:43 pm As much as I love Eli being Patriot kryptonite, he shouldn't be in the HoF. His stats aren't HoF worthy. There are other QBs with 2 SB wins that aren't in. 2 Superbowl MVP's? There's 1 other QB with 2 SB wins who's not in the hall and there's debate on whether or not he should be in the Hall and Eli's career was better.I wish you people would make up your mind. Zach's not a HOF because he never won a championship. Eli's not because all he did is win 2 MVP's in Superbowls? Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Downunder Dolphan on February 19, 2020, 11:08:27 pm » Two-time Super Bowl champion » Two-time Super Bowl MVP » Four-time Pro Bowler » Ranks seventh in NFL history with 57,023 passing yards » Ranks seventh in NFL history with 366 passing TDs » Third-most consecutive starts by a QB (210) in the NFL » 2016 NFL Walter Payton Man of the Year The above certainly doesn't seem like 2 games is his whole HOF career, those 2 games just topped off his career. Without those games he's not hall of fame material, but with them, he is. I'm not saying he's a slam dunk or anything, but he's certainly a legitimate candidate. That's actually a pretty impressive CV, probably much better than quite a few current HOF Quarterbacks. He has to be a near certainty to get in (although he may have to wait a few years from first being eligible). Ben Roethlisberger will be another interesting one, if anything he's even more polarizing when you add in his off-field indiscretions. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: BuccaneerBrad on February 19, 2020, 11:55:41 pm As much as I love Eli being Patriot kryptonite, he shouldn't be in the HoF. His stats aren't HoF worthy. There are other QBs with 2 SB wins that aren't in. I agree. Eli is not Hall of Fame material. To quote one of our mods. It is not the "Hall of good." Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Spider-Dan on February 20, 2020, 12:19:56 am It's not the "Hall of Best," either. It's the Hall of Fame.
If you think a 2-time Super Bowl MVP, who got those MVPs by beating The Greatest QB Ever Tom Brady, and oh by the way, happens to play for the senior team in the biggest media market in the country... if you think he's not going to be voted into the Hall of Fame, you're deluding yourself. I'm going to throw out a blanket statement here: if you are the recognized leader of a New York City team that wins multiple championships in a major sport, YOU WILL BE VOTED INTO THE HALL OF FAME. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Tenshot13 on February 20, 2020, 07:39:58 am 2 Superbowl MVP's? There's 1 other QB with 2 SB wins who's not in the hall and there's debate on whether or not he should be in the Hall and Eli's career was better. I'm not one of those people, Zach is a HoF player and it's a shame he didn't get in.I wish you people would make up your mind. Zach's not a HOF because he never won a championship. Eli's not because all he did is win 2 MVP's in Superbowls? Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: hordman on February 20, 2020, 05:37:56 pm I'm not one of those people, Zach is a HoF player and it's a shame he didn't get in. Agreed with Zach should be getting in. Eli is going to get in though I truly don't believe he is a HOFer My three things for HOF: 1. Did you play at a high level 2. Did you play at a high level for a long period of time 3. You being on the field, off the field, made a difference in the outcomes of games Winning SB's is nice, and has to be factored in, but NYG beating the Patriots on a flukey catch by someone who made 4 catches all season, and then beating them again after Brady overshot Welker on a deep out, does not make you a HOF. I would say his NYG team's DEFENSE were the difference in those games Plus, the dude was .500 in overall winning. For the record, I don't believe Bob Griese is a HOF QB Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Pappy13 on February 21, 2020, 09:34:33 am Agreed with Zach should be getting in. Eli is going to get in though I truly don't believe he is a HOFer You don't believe that Manning did all 3 of those things? I don't think you have really be paying much attention to his career then. I'm not Eli fan, but he did all those things without question.My three things for HOF: 1. Did you play at a high level 2. Did you play at a high level for a long period of time 3. You being on the field, off the field, made a difference in the outcomes of games Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on February 21, 2020, 10:05:19 am You don't believe that Manning did all 3 of those things? I don't think you have really be paying much attention to his career then. I'm not Eli fan, but he did all those things without question. Eli was very inconsistent. Some years he was a top 5 QB other years he just sucked. He was never the best QB in the league. If he gets in it will because of the reasons spider mentioned “fame” Largest market, twice being on the winning side against the dynasty that is NE, as opposed to “greatness “. Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: Pappy13 on February 21, 2020, 02:30:59 pm Eli was very inconsistent. Some years he was a top 5 QB other years he just sucked. I think that's a bit of an over simplification. Some years he was really good, some years just pretty good and a couple he was bad especially early in his career, but overall he was pretty good.Code: Year G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% 1D Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate QBR Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV He was never the best QB in the league. For a whole season probably not but he had 2 playoff runs where I think you could argue he was the best QB in the playoffs those 2 years. You're not giving him his due, but you're not alone. I understand your argument, I just don't agree with it.Title: Re: Will Eli be a Hall of Famer? Post by: DZA on February 27, 2020, 11:51:06 am Like Deion Sanders said, They elect who they want and anybody in the HOF these days ??? Case, why Urlacher is in instead of Zach Thomas who had a better career minus a SB
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