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Interesting perspective going around Facebook ...


“Yesterday, I spoke to my sister in South Carolina. She was concerned that SC was opening ‘too soon.’
“I asked her when she thought it would be right. She had no answer. It reminded me of an experiment researchers did with monkeys.
“Three monkeys were placed in a cage for a week. Three times a day, the researcher would give each a banana and hang a 4th one on the ceiling. The monkeys devoured their banana and climbed up to get the one on the ceiling.
“Immediately each monkey was hit with a spray of pressured water. By the end of the week, no monkey went for the banana. 
“At the end of the week, one of the monkeys was replaced with a new one. On the first day, this new monkey ate its banana and started to climb up to get the hanging fruit and was immediately attacked by the other two.
“Each week one of the original monkeys was replaced and each time a new monkey entered, it,too, would try for the extra fruit.  By week four, none of the original monkeys that had been sprayed remained yet each time a new monkey was added, the other two would attack it when it went for the extra fruit. None of them had ever experienced the consequences of being wet but had been indoctrinated to fear going after that extra banana.
“That's where Americans are today. The government has terrorized us into thinking that the Wuhan virus would kill off all humanity.  We were programmed to stop shaking hands, hugging family and friends, cover our faces in public like Muslims, and  creating "safe distancing". And now that we've found that everything we have been told is fluid and we can go back to acting like humans have since we began walking erect, we are now terrorized by it as well.
“Today's millennial society are the monkeys from week 6. They were never taught that being held hostage is not living nor normal. Humans are a gregarious species and if being isolated like this is "living", then perhaps dying isn't the worst thing that could happen to us.”  -George Roof

I think the Wuhan flu is more like a box of chocolates...

I will give you a very concrete answer to your question.

We can begin to ease the shutdown when ALL of the following has occurred.

1.  Two weeks of sustained declining cases, deaths, hospital admissions, and ICU admissions.

2. Hospitals have enough spare capacity to handle 4x current Covid caseload.

3. Enough contact tracing caseworkers and testing capacity so that within 24 hours of a positive test everyone the infected person has come in contact with can be contacted and tested.

4. Enough testing capacity that all test results are available within 4 hours of testing.

5.  Less than 5% of all people being tested are positive.

Bottom line...if someone cares so little about other people that they can't bear the horrible, life-altering burden of wearing a mask out in public, then I really don't care to hear them whining about how they're being persecuted.

...and when I hear someone whining about how COVID isn't that bad, it tells me one thing and one thing only...nobody in their family has died from it, because that makes it less "real" to a lot of folks.

LOL ... New York is the worst place in the country and even there we had make shift hospitals that were never used let alone a full Navy ship that was totally wasted.  Not used just a little. Some were never used. Don't be scared of the banana just because they tell you to.

I think this whole shutdown was unnecessary.  From the beginning, we should have quarantined the high risk and healthy bodied people should have kept about their daily lives with social distancing guidelines in place to some extent.  This whole "experiment" has shown people will give up their U.S. born freedoms to feel "safe".  A person should NEVER by arrested for not wearing a mask, even if they should wear one.  The fear mongering and dishonesty from the media has made everyone scared of their own shadows now.  Not every place in the country is New York city and their shouldn't be a sweeping generalization for what we should do when each region is different.

Having said that, I probably follow these new quarantine rules better than people that are terrified by this thing.  I wear a mask, partly because it's kind of cool to be a ninja in public  ;) , I wash my hands a lot and sanitize everything from my hands and face to the credit cards I use.  The reason being is I see my parents on a regular basis and do not want to give it to them as both are high risk.  I'm not taking this thing lightly, but at the same time I'm not going to be part of the public freak out fest.  

LMAO ... I may be whining here but I was whitewater rafting in Tennessee over the weekend and on the river last week. The week before were on the ocean. We are living our lives just as most others are doing. Feel free to come out any time and join the rest of the country.

Nothing wrong with any of that. I have hand sanitizer in every vehicle I own and in fact have had it for probably the past 10 years or so. We all should do whatever we feel we need to do to stay safe but it's making everyone else be forced to do something that is stupid.

Lung cancer and most overweight issues can be prevented. It won't be long before smoking and eating fat foods will be made illegal ... for our own good.

The hospitals were overwhelmed with Covid patients.  The navy refused to treat anyone with Covid (only people who needed hospitalization for other reasons) there was surplus capacity among medical facilities that refused Covid but accepted things like car crashes.

Your points counter the ones I just posted, so I wanted to address them as someone who thinks a little differently than you.  I think people should wears masks in public, however, I do not think someone should be forced to.  Even if you think it's stupid not to, which I would agree with, they should have the choice not to wear one.  If an establishment like Costco says you have to wear one to get in, that's a different story.  It's their business, they can do what they want, from wearing masks to not baking a cake for someone.

COVID isn't that bad...for some people.  Spider for instance, it seemed like a mild flu when he describes it and the worst part was the test (correct me if I'm wrong Spider).  The person I know who died from it, my father-in-law's best friend, was high risk and a lifetime drinker and smoker.  

Here is the difference:  

Smoking in you own home, eating unhealthy food, riding a motorcycle without a helmet, not wearing a seatbelt are stupid but ultimately a personal choice.  You are only harming yourself.

Driving drunk, driving with faulty brakes, smoking in public buildings, and not cooperating with efforts to reduce the spread of a deadly pandemic OTOH, affects others and is evil selfishness.

I would agree with you if the primary purpose of the mask was to protect the wearer from other.  But that is not its purpose,  it is to protect everyone else.  So it is not a personal choice anymore than smoking inside a crowded elevator is a personal choice.  If we get a vaccine choosing not to get it is a personal (but dumb) choice.

But you have a much larger chance of dying for those things. Again ... less than 0.4% of people will die from covid. Most people will take those odds for pretty much anything.  

I can't agree with that.  Smoking inside is not the same as just standing somewhere and living as a person, and is not an apples to apples comparison for me.  It seems you're more than okay giving up your personal freedoms if you think it's okay to arrest someone for not wearing a mask.  That's not the country I live in.

I swear this is a true story. Seems so fake I'm sure you think I mad it up.  

I have a pretty good friend who is a life long liberal. He voted Obama, Hillary, the whole nine yards. Well ... I spoke with him about an hour ago and you'd think he was a Forever Trumper. This whole covid thing has pushed him over the edge and he says he will not be voting Democrat any longer. His wife is a rather big wig within Walgreen's Pharmacys and I do believe she has opened his eyes to what some are calling the biggest fraud of our lifetime. The funniest part to me is he is from Scranton ... Joe Biden's home. Not that it changes anything about anyone's opinion but it is quite the timing.

I didn't read any further than this sentence. It's like when someone starts out most of their stories by saying "Honestly..." It makes me wonder if they go the other way  (not honest) enough that they need to clarify.

It is one of CF’s many imaginary stories of how someone switched from being a lifelong progressive democrat to ardent republican. 

Yes please be like Sweden and go after that banana!!!

How many deaths would it take before these precautions were considered “worth it”?
We’re already at 100,000 in three months.

One sad thing about this global crisis is that there are plenty of examples to reference, from South Korea and New Zealand on the good side to Italy and Sweden on the bad side.  And yet people continue to insist that restrictions make no meaningful difference.

Widespread  blanket restrictions are NOT the best way to fight this pandemic. They are a very poor second choice.  Testing and targeted quarantines much more effective and less disruptive.

If Australia had a death rate like the USA, based on our population of around 25 million we should have racked up at least 7622 funerals due to Covid-19.

At the moment we are at 102 deaths - by my calculations that's at least 7520 Australians who should think our precautions have been worth it.

But Australia is different because it's almost winter there now and the virus doesn't like the col... oh, wait, blaming the weather is the old excuse that we don't talk about any more, so I'm all out of ideas.

So here's my take on a few things.
Flu season is about 6 months. Annually about 36,000 people die nationally from the flu. Corona has been in the country for 3/4 months. Already over 100,000 recorded deaths.

There is a segment of the American population that I call "We the People" those are the people that that say "I'm an Amurican. I have my rights. I know my rights. You can't tell me what to do. I'm going to do what I want because the Constitution says I can says I can." No. See, the State is more important than the individual. The collective "WE" is bigger than just you. As an individual, or a group of individuals that want to do something to endanger society at large you need to be checked. Forget your individual rights if you're willing to put the rest of us in danger.

I used to think the government can't go into my car or my motorcycle and tell me to wear a seatbelt or a helmet. But now I see it as If you turn yourself into a tomato for the next 20 years because you weren't protecting yourself while driving, I'm going to be partly on the hook to maintain your tomato status. I don't want to pay a single cent for your health care.

When other countries ie. Germany, South Korea were told to stay the hell inside and away from everyone they did as they were told. Therefore, lower instances of Corona. But because of the culture that exists in America, you know, the "We the People" set we have a high rate of infection and death.

You're not giving up any more freedom to wear a mask in a store any more than you are to wear pants in that store.  Its for the protection of EVERYONE ELSE, for the common good and it takes almost zero effort.  Why fight it?  Because freedom? 

It's the same fight over and over.  Seat-belts, helmet laws, smoking in restaurants, now masks.

You're a dork. The difference between you and I is that I have lived a life outside of a protective bubble and actually see people grow from experience rather than shrink from fear. I used to argue for many of the liberals ideas you guys have and looking back I was definitely wrong ... just as you are now.

Wise words from the great Ted Nugent ... hahaha

“Why do I have to stay home just because 𝘆𝗼𝘂 are scared? How about 𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay home....𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay in 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 house indefinitely, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 wear a mask, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 socially distance yourself from me, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid restaurants, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid baseball games, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 stay off the roads, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 avoid malls and beaches and parks, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 believe the made up death numbers, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 believe the media hype, 𝘆𝗼𝘂 get your toxic vaccine while avoiding vitamin C, sunshine and the things God gave us to actually heal.

I'm done playing 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 dumb game. We are not “all in this together.” I'm not wearing 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 dumb tin foil hat anymore. I’m no longer going to be a prisoner of your fear. I'm no longer staying in my house or catering to 𝘆𝗼𝘂 because 𝘆𝗼𝘂 are scared. I'm not wearing a mask and I'm not staying 6 feet away from you anymore because I'm not afraid of you. You are not my enemy and if I get sick, it's not because of 𝘆𝗼𝘂, it's because of me and my system, which not only have I been addressing for quite some time, but I also know how to treat if I get sick.
This virus (or whatever it is) is already circulating. Millions of people have already encountered it, as it's been circulating around the world probably since last September. You WILL have to confront this thing, if you haven’t already. There is no way around it, unless you lock yourself up in your house and it somehow doesn't manage to hop on some mail or some groceries that you ordered online.

𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 fear is not an excuse to destroy America. 𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 fear is not my fear and your fear does not have the right to interfere with my life, my job, my income or my future as a free American citizen. So if you're scared, you can just put your tin foil hat on, or even wrap foil all around your whole body - or around your whole house if you wish - but please keep your fear contained to your little corner of the world and don't contaminate me or my family or my Country.”

^^ Selfish point of view, IMO.  Not everyone is blessed with miracle healing, for a lot of people its not fear, its NOT WANTING TO DIE.  I could show you 100,000 reasons why its merely not random fear...

Go ahead and go out and party, go to the beach I don't care.  Don't matter to me what you do.  Hug everyone.  But when you're around other people - STRANGERS who you don't know their story, their body, their immune system, its simple courtesy to not spread your diseases to them.

You want to not live in fear?  Fine.  Don't.  High five.  Have at it.  But then you hear a story about a guy that tests positive and then goes and tries to get on a plane.  Or a lady who is symptomatic with COVID and is cutting a bunch of people's hair and coughing all over them.

Sorry, that's irresponsible and reckless.  If people could be charged with personal responsibility, the government wouldn't have to force it upon people.

Exactly. Don't be stupid or do stupid things because you feel like you're above everyone else. Think of other people instead of yourself. Suck it up and deal with a little inconvenience for a little while.

 I'll say it again, other parts of the country aren't New York (150 deaths per 100,000 people).  Almost every other part of the country isn't as affected by this as the North East.  If New York wants to have marshal law because their governor screwed this up, by all means go ahead, it doesn't affect me, but don't loop in states like Florida (10 deaths per 100,000 people and the median representation of the country) and just about every other US state not in the North East.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/)

Wise words from Ted Nugent?  That's kind of like the soothing voice of Gilbert Gottfried...

Then let’s do this like voting in a developing nation:

You want to go to a bar, a nail salon, a golf course?  Fine.  All these businesses will be required by law to have a jar of dark purple ink, which you dip your thumb in on entry, and for the next two weeks your thumb is stained.  No one with a purple thumb is admitted to a hospital for COVID symptoms, and other businesses may choose not to serve them.

See, the problem is that these paper tigers want to eat their cake and have it too: they want to go out elbow-to-elbow with a bunch of other Freedom Loving Patriots and catch some corona, then come back and infect the rest of us at grocery stores and gas stations... followed by taking up a bed and a ventilator at an ICU.  That’s why their fake courage is not at all impressive.

On another note, it’s hilarious to hear the same people who warned us about The Threat To Society From Gay Marriage suddenly discover that it’s morally wrong to prevent someone else from doing what they want just because YOU’RE scared of what might follow.