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Let’s all take moments to feel sorry for Amy Cooper and Terry Bush who both unfairly (in their minds) lost their jobs.

Who?

Those stories probably weren’t covered by Fox.

UR stoopid

Tenshot  ... she's the girl who called the police and tried to act like a black man was attacking her on the trail and the other guy made a hanging effigy of the governor of Kentucky.


I can absolutely see why they got fired. I wouldn't want either representing me and my company.

I saw this today and thought Christian Cooper (no relation to Amy Cooper) is really coming off very well ... not that he needed to. we need more Chrisitan Coopers and much less Amy Cooper's who will say anything to get their entitled way.

"Christian Cooper, whose video of a woman calling the police on him while he was birdwatching went viral over the Memorial Day weekend, acknowledged the woman's apology but said her act was "definitely racist."

"I think her apology is sincere," Cooper told CNN's Don Lemon Tuesday night. "I'm not sure that in that apology she recognizes that while she may not be or consider herself a racist, that particular act was definitely racist."
"And the fact that that was her recourse at that moment -- granted, it was a stressful situation, a sudden situation -- you know, maybe a moment of spectacularly poor judgment. But she went there and had this racist act that she did."

Can we add Trump to this list and is incessant whining about Twitter putting some fact checking disclaimers on a couple of his tweets. People get banned from twitter all the time for way less than any day to day crap he posts up there.

Why would anyone feel sorry for them?  They both did dumbazz things that deserved to get them fired and that is what happened to them.  Did either of them say that they unfairly lost their jobs?   

How about using some effort and posting a link to the story instead of just assuming people know what the hell you're talking about.  You're an Ass....assss.....aaassssssumi ng I watch any news coverage instead of getting it from many sources on the internet, but I've got a business to run and haven't had time for the news lately.  So when you make a thread and I say "who", how about actually making a readable post about what you're talking about, thanks.


Thank you CF, yes I did hear about the lady that tried to call the police on the black guy bird watching, I just didn't know the names.  The dog is the real victim in that scenario, but the guy I heard on the radio yesterday said she surrendered the dog back to the rescue she got it from.  The other one I didn't hear, what's the big deal with that one?  Why does anyone care?  In fact, other than the woman looking like a huge fool, which was funny, why does anyone care about either of these stories?  I understand people are making it racial, but I think that lady is going to act the same no matter what color the person is that called her out for not having her dog on a leash.  That story is about her being addressed for doing something wrong and acting like a Karen about it, there isn't enough evidence to determine if she's being racist or not.  

Excuse me?  People are "making it racial?"   Her direct recorded quote was:  ""I'm going to tell them there's an African American man threatening my life."

Please tell me how that could be considered anything BUT racial...

He's African American right?  She didn't call him a slur did she?  She could be a racist, but do you know for sure?  That's my point, it's pure conjecture.  You don't know if she would say the same thing if it was an Asian or Hispanic person.  You're assuming she's a racist because she's white, which is a problem when people have to prove they aren't racist on a regular basis just for being white, because frankly white people are the only ones accused of being racists.

I wonder if you're being naive because you live in some fantasy land where cops don't kill black men at such a high rate that it's one of the leading causes for black male mortality, or if you're being purposefully contrarian just to troll people. I suspect you're a troll, so .. troll on I guess.

She broke some stupid dogs must be on leashes rule and he called her out on it, she reacted by trying to get him killed by the police. An action she wouldn't have taken if he was white, because white guys can just swing knifes and machetes at the police and they don't even point guns, but if a black guy comes to a rolling stop at a stop sign, the swat team comes out.

I'm assuming she is racist because she just threatened a black man with "death by cop."

She did that because he "asked" her to put her dog on the leash, which is required in the park.

If she wasn't racist, she would've just said ""I'm going to tell them there's a man threatening my life."

You call me naive and a troll, then go on some fantasy land scenario?  LMFAO!  Cops are not even close to the leading cause of black male mortality.  235 African Americans were killed by police last year nation wide.  That's 0.1% https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/).  In comparison, over 300 African Americans were killed in just Baltimore last year with almost all the murderers being African American. https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0406-black-crime-20200403-lyiri4nzuvbuxks6i2h6mhirtq-story.html (https://www.baltimoresun.com/opinion/op-ed/bs-ed-op-0406-black-crime-20200403-lyiri4nzuvbuxks6i2h6mhirtq-story.html).  By far, black on black crime is more of a cause for black male mortality than police.  

I think you're looping in the MN story with this, they are separate incidents.

Does she use the term death by cop?  I'm legit asking, when I heard the audio on the radio station I was listening to, they didn't mention that at all.  The worst she did was call him African American, which he is and that he was threatening her life, which he wasn't and a legit reason for her getting fired from her job.

If she wasn't racist, she would've just said ""I'm going to tell them there's a man threatening my life." So much conjecture.  That is a shaky opinion at best, not some rule of law on what is and isn't racism.

She's a typical Karen that overreacted to being called out for not following the rules.  She got fired for it and should have been.  End of story.

If Christian Cooper would've been a white man, do you believe that Amy would've said ""I'm going to tell them there's a white man threatening my life."

Seriously?

The fact that you are arguing whether there is a racial aspect to this situation is either ridiculous or aggravating, depending on whether you "really" don't see it, or if you just prefer not to see it.

I think when any person of any given race is describing a person of their own race to another person, there is more than a good chance they will not mention that persons race unless asked.  When that person describes another person of a different race, they will likely use that person's race as a descriptor.  That is an indoctrination that humans in general have, not just white people.

I'm all about giving people the benefit of the doubt, however, did I not say she could very well be a racist?  There is a conversation to be had about if this is racist or not, in which I believe it is not unless more evidence can show me otherwise.

^^^ So the answer is B then...you just prefer to not see it.

For the record, twice in my life, I have felt it necessary to call the police to report a person I thought was a potential burglar around my house. In both cases I simply said that there was a man trying to get into my home. In neither instance did the words "black" or "African American" come out of my mouth until the officer asked me to describe them.


Assuming that statement is based on your perspective (since you didn't reference any official study), then you just might be hanging around the wrong people...

If I was of the opinion that police brutality against black men in this country is overblown by the liberal media and is not a real problem, it would make sense that I would then conclude there is no significant component of race in the Cooper story.  Why would the police treat him any differently just because she mentioned his race?  That doesn’t make sense.

After her hysterical shrieks for help (while choking her own dog), I’m shocked they didn’t send a SWAT team.  The invention of cell phone cameras is making a big difference, because anyone who listened to that 911 call would think he was brutally murdering her and that any level of police response would certainly be justified.

One last thing: it is one thing to describe a person’s race to the authorities for purposes of identification.  It is quite another to tell a person that you plan to describe their race to the authorities. That is a clear threat of police violence, and her bit of theater on the phone confirmed it.

Let me put my psychology degree to good use then.  If there is a study regarding this, I haven't seen it, but I will show you where my thought process came from.  It all comes down to tribalism (the behavior and attitudes that stem from strong loyalty to one's own tribe or social group).  

Humans evolved in the context of intense intergroup competition, and groups comprised of loyal
members more often succeeded than those that were not. Therefore, selective pressures have
consistently sculpted human minds to be "tribal," and group loyalty and concomitant cognitive
biases likely exist in all groups.

These groups can be many things, but the two most glaring are political affiliation and race.  We can discuss the philosophical aspect of tribalism, as there are many interpretations of it, but in this instance I'm applying tribalism to race.  Every race has a tribalistic aspect to them.  There is a black culture, Hispanic, Asian, white, etc., and the biases that exist in each of those races.  Back to my point, if someone is describing someone of their own race to a third party, they are using a tribal bias that exists in all groups.

We conclude that tribal bias is a natural and nearly
ineradicable feature of human cognition, and that no group—not even one’s own—is immune.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331823894_Tribalism_is_Human_Nature (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331823894_Tribalism_is_Human_Nature)

The article I continue to reference focuses on political tribalism, but also paints a broad stroke of tribalism in general.  Tribalism can be used to help the group, but is also dangerous due to group think.  To say I'm "hanging around the wrong people" is a rather basic and incorrect way to address it.

I'm not saying you're wrong.  I'm saying it isn't clear, it's assumed.

Why else would she say to him that she's going to tell the police an African-American man is threatening her?  He obviously knows what his own race is.

I'm sorry, man...that was racism, pure and simple.

I don't know, what did she say when someone asked her that?
On Tuesday morning, Amy Cooper told CNN that she wanted to “publicly apologize to everyone,” saying, “I’m not a racist. I did not mean to harm that man in any way.”

“I think I was just scared,” she said. “When you’re alone in the Ramble, you don’t know what’s happening. It’s not excusable, it’s not defensible.” She added that her “entire life is being destroyed right now.”

And what did he say?

Christian Cooper responded: “I can’t tell you whether or not she’s a racist. I can tell you what she did in that moment, and it was a moment of stress and of confrontation and of, probably, spectacularly poor judgment. But in that moment, what she did was definitely racist. Now, should she be defined by that, you know, couple-of-seconds moment? I can’t answer that. I think that’s really up to her and what she does going forward.”

https://www.thecut.com/2020/05/amy-cooper-central-park-dog-video.html (https://www.thecut.com/2020/05/amy-cooper-central-park-dog-video.html)

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I think this is a non story period, but I understand why it is:

a) Poor timing for her, it's being grouped in with the MN tragedy
b) The "Karen" meme and it's popularity.  Liberal media is trying to hijack this as a white woman that needlessly calls the cops on black people, when it really is an attitude a white woman has that can best be described as "I want to speak with your manager".  She's a complete Karen.
c) The liberal media's obsession with race

As the victim said ... it was a racist act but that doesn't make her MO in life a racist. In my opinion she is just like many Americans ... she feels entitled to do whatever she wants and will say whatever it takes to make that happen. The whole dog aspect proves that. Now she could be both entitled and a racist but I don't think the whole racism thing was proven ... especially since she so easily apologized. I've known some racists and I can't ever see them apologizing to the race they hate.

I think the apology was an attempt at damage control.

^^^ Of course it was...


I think it could be better described as "I'm going to call the cops and tell them a black man is attacking me, and then you know what's going to happen..."

I could be wrong though... In your experience, does talking to a manager occasionally end up with someone dead?

Okay you old fogey, I'm going to stop trying to explain what a Karen is, you aren't hip enough on the new lingo.   >:D

EDIT:
Woman Fired After Viral ‘Central Park Karen’ Confrontation | NBC New York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeDxw7VOYrw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeDxw7VOYrw)

Or the actual post from the victim where he refers to her as a Karen
(https://nyfights.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Screen-Shot-2020-05-27-at-4.48.39-PM.png)

she's not a racist, she only does racist things every once in a while

I understand what you're saying. I just don't think it matters. Can racism exist on a scale? Of course, you can have mild racism and extreme cases. My point is that I think it's like crapping your pants. It can also be on a scale, you can have a shart and you can have full on Paul Pierce style crap on national TV. The end result is that it's binary, even if you only shit your pants a little .. you've still shit your pants. Even if this Karen only racist-ed a little, she still a racist.

No idea who Karen is...is she a raqcist too?

I see we're back on the "If you haven't burned a cross on someone's lawn while wearing a white hood then you're Not A Real Racist" kick.  She only tried to get him killed a little bit, and she rarely ever does that!

It is a meme that casts all middle aged white women with a short hair cut as being racist.  I would say it is one of the few times that whites are the victims of being classed into a group and blatant bias.

It has nothing to do with their hair length.  It is about entitled white women who think the world should bend over backwards for them.  (Hence, the "Let me speak to your manager" part of the meme.)

It started as the “let me speak to your manager haircut,” before she got the name Karen and morph into calling the police for no reason. But it is an example of bias and racism.  Certainly not the worst instance  in US history, but it is a racist meme. 

You're wrong, not racist.  Just a huge bitch.  The racism thing is only recent and created by liberal media.

"Karen is used as an identifier for any white woman who acts inappropriately, rudely, or in an entitled fashion." While no slang name exists many black women, as well as other races, make it their life goals to eat for free as well as getting other benefits whenever possible. They make up ridiculous complaints and say "let me speak to your manager" as much as any white entitled Karen.

Then this woman isn't really a Karen...unless there is a subset of Karens labelled "Racist Karens"


Can't even argue with that, though the only reason the anti-racism slant was created by the liberal media is because the conservative media certainly (wasn't/isn't/never will) going to do anything to change the racial dynamic in this country...