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I don't know if this is what I expected to happen after the 2016 election, but I also can't exactly say I'm surprised.

A president trying to blackmail a foreign leader into manufacturing dirt on his opponent.
An astoundingly incompetent response to a viral outbreak resulting in ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND AMERICAN DEATHS in less than THREE MONTHS.
A federal government confiscating shipments of medical supplies during a crisis so they can be turned around and resold to states forced to bid against each other.
And now we have full on riots nationwide, complete with the police arresting peaceful, compliant credentialed journalists (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1266315061221613569) in the morning and firing pepper spray-filled paintballs at journalists (https://twitter.com/EgyptianWeeknd/status/1266552720632295425) in the evening.

Trump promised to Make America Great Again in 2016.  In 2020, he promises to Keep America Great.  We are currently living in the "Great" America.

We've still got 5 months to go until the election.  It's going to get a lot worse than this.

And you left out what arguably is the greatest assault on our democracy... https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/politics/trump-twitter-social-media-executive-order/index.html

And the democrats have no hope winning an election with a senile old man.  4 more years wooooo.   >:D

The GOP won the last election with a senile old man...and one with emotional issues as well.

I'm rubber and you're glue.  Ah yes, the liberal way.   ;D

You people have made me reassess the level of people's understanding and comprehension. I gave the general person way too much credit for being able to understand things until I came to this board. Your whole post is basically satire with the truth so far out it isn't even recognizable.

This latest thing is the biggest joke I've ever seen. We finally have a situation that pretty much the whole country can agree was despicable and now we have some rich guy provoking riots to where most people couldn't give a crap about who was killed or justice. It took me a long time to buy into it but there is no doubt you dummies are being controlled by Soros and his money. He controls the media, Antifa, and now you. You act like white people are evil and yet a rich white pulls your strings. You should be so proud.

https://youtu.be/25anPO4vQxE

The left has been causing protests and riots at different times since Trump was elected and it's only gotten worse. BTW  .. we had these same riots when Obama was here and he called them out as well.  

With all those psych credits rattling around in your pocket and you still don't recognize Trump's default policy of transference?

I think the scary part about all this, CF, is you really believe this.

CF, how are you going to blame Soros for the words coming directly from Trump?

You don't see me blaming the Koch brother for whatever Pelosi says.

Yeah seriously .. it's like there's a boogeyman somewhere named "Soros" that just makes these people lose all sanity and rationality.

It's easier to believe that someone's paying millions and millions of people to say that their dear leader is a jackass and a moron than it is to believe that they may be wrong. It's not surprising to me that the religiously indoctrinated are extra susceptible to this type of manipulation. They're already voluntarily in a state of delusion, what's another giant lie?

Trump can be an ass and he sometimes says stupid things to piss people off but he hasn't done anything. The proof is in what libs say about him to what the truth really is. There would be no need to lie about things like Charlotsville and "good people" comment if he really was bad. you could just play his whole audio and accept for what it was. As it is you take a clip and manipulate to mean he's supporting the KKK.

Another Antifa guy who was turned over to police from protesters.  There's a bunch of these all over tik tok and twitter.

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1267425664082165761?s=20

Antifa is a domestic terrorist organization, glad the government finally acknowledged it.

This is true but media will spin it because Soros pays the bills.

The media is already spinning it.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/opinions/trump-antifa-domestic-terrorist-bergen/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/opinions/trump-antifa-domestic-terrorist-bergen/index.html)

He is doing two things:

1) He is not attempting to unify.  Presidents are supposed to do that.  That's how to help quell rioting.  You can't condone it, and you have to fight it, but you also need to make the rioters feel heard.  He needs to publicly recognize that there is a community in crisis and come to their aid.

2) He is using dog-whistle language to drum up systemic racism, with tweets like "when the looting starts, the shooting starts".  Specifically calling out "thugs".  This is all coded-language.  ...and this comes on the heels of supporting the other armed protesters just weeks ago.  None of this is an accident.




I mean...this whole presidency is horrible.  ...worse that I could've ever imagined.  But if you think that he's in the right, after all of this....I just can't help you.

It is unconstitutional.  In large part due to a S. Ct case making it unconstitutional to designate the KKK as a terrorist organization.

I'm glad you agree Antifa is as bad as the KKK.

Not even close. 

As far as #1 I can't say I disagree. The issue I see is that Trump isn't a politician and the people who voted for him weren't looking for smooth political talkers. That hs neve been his strength.

#2 is a little more tricky to agree with because what you hear as "coded-language" is what I would call blue collar language or as my history professor called it ... "conversational slang". He pretty much immediately clarified what he meant by it for anyone who didn't get it the first time. 

What's worse than you could have imagined? The last three years of Hillary and her peeps' hissy fit or the fact Trump has made this a prosperous country again where prison reform and other minority issues have been addressed?

I know, that was a rib.  You shouldn't use the KKK as a comparison for things though lol.

Funniest thing I've seen today ... "'he broke my window so I whooped his a**"

NBA star J.R. Smith kicks a protester on the ground after he 'smashed his car during George Floyd protests' in Los Angeles - and defends his attack by saying, 'he broke my window so I whooped his a**'

Video has emerged of NBA star J.R. Smith, 34, beating up and kicking a protester who allegedly broke the window of his truck

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8375007/NBAs-J-R-Smith-caught-video-beating-protester-broke-car-window.html

UFC champion Jon Jones was videoed confiscating spray paint cans from people saying "this isn't the way".  I find him to be a despicable person, but at least he's doing the right thing in this instance.

It's pretty much universal knowledge that the KKK and Nazis are the worst of the worst but everyone loves to throw those names around. I can think of a lot of people I really dislike but they are far from being as bad as either no matter how much I hate them.

I did see that too. There have actually been some good stories to come out.

Pallets of bricks have turned up on video in most cities. Liberal media is implying they were planted by police. Are you f'ing kidding me?? This is a coordinated effort on a large scale and it sure as hell isn't the police.

I saw the video of the guy in Dallas finding a stack of bricks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phot8P4Mg7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phot8P4Mg7c)

that's for sure setup by the cops to make this worse to justify escalation .. just like the cops in chicago that raised all the bridges at 6 pm and then announced a 9pm curfew at 8:30 giving nobody a way out


i wonder what's more likely .. that george soros organized bricks on short notice to over a dozen cities  cause it's in his best interest to have some windows smashed .. or if the cops did to to escalate the protests into something they can respond to with violence without looking like they're provoking it. Thereby trying to shift public opinion in their favor at a time when they're as popular as a used car salesman.

Seriously did people stop being able to think logically? This is a setup .. pure and simple... Wouldn't surprise me if the cops had a few undercovers among the crowd be the first ones to throw some bricks too.

There is a central HQ now for liberal media? Fuck...I didn't get an invitation.

Translation: If you had include a link to the "specific liberal website" that you cherry picked that ridiculous little tidbit from, there is actually a small chance that I'd actually believe it...or at least research it enough to laugh and say "CF bought that?"

Just like white supremacists started the riots huh?  Unbelievable.

Why would you? You freaking lap up CNN like it's pot. they don't even need to pay you. You are literally what you try to make me out to be. A walking talking point for your liberal media. CNN, MSNBC, NBC, Huffington Post and on and on are getting kick backs from Daddy Warbucks aka Soros. 

Are there any other politicians whom you give a free pass to say whatever they want?  I remember you frequently criticizing statements that Obama made, but apparently now whatever the President says doesn't really matter?  Good to know going forward that by your standards, words aren't really important.

For all your talk about Soros-funded liberal conspiracies, the sad part is that even you won't defend Trump's behavior.  You just expect us to believe that we shouldn't care about his behavior, which is absurd.

Somebody's spinning something, anyway...

"A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/tech/antifa-fake-twitter-account/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/02/tech/antifa-fake-twitter-account/index.html)

oops...

This whole "my side is awesome and the other side is terrible" narrative is tiresome.  There are more than enough assholes to go around on both sides of the political aisle.  And I'm referring to the politicians and their supporters. 

And I can show you hundreds of examples of them doing the same thing to get conservative platforms shut down, especially on Reddit, saying vile things like kill all n-words and the most racist shit possible as imposters to get the platform banned.  Seems like they are just taking a play out of Antifa's playbook.

The thing is, I'm not defending racist pieces of shit like white supremacists, but you have no problem defending a bunch of vandalizing communists like Antifa.

Tons of antifa have been arrested actually doing what that fake account says but just like Biden threatening Ukraine by withholding money it's not the actually crime you are worried about. Seriously ... what would it take for you to admit that anyone who is against Trump isn't actually good for society?

^^^ ROFL...

Lock up Hillary!

Obamagate!!

Seeing as most people in this country are against trump it's fairly easy to say that some of those people aren't good for society. .. so what ? Trump is worse than all those people combined.

I think you living in South Florida has you jaded. Which I don't get because tons of Cubans and others down there still support him. He just had a boat parade down there with hundreds of boats supporting him and that is the worst part of the state for him. Most people is a huge exaggeration but goes over well with social media and people who want that to be true. Media also says that but still doesn't make it any truer than 2016 when he won.   

not that it really matters, but his favorable/unfavorable polls are constantly unfavorable, if you don't like polls then then last time he was on a ballot, a majority of voters voted against him. I don't know why you think that most people are against him is an exaggeration .. it looks like each and every measurable fact supports that. Maybe living in central florida has jaded you to the fact that a majority of people can't stand him.

Polls said he'd lose in a landslide back in 2016 too.  Pretty much all polls are garbage.

Police officer is shot in the head in Vegas, four officers are shot in St Louis, cops are rammed by an SUV in Buffalo and looters ransack Manhattan on another night of riots across US. Is this all Trump's fault or condoned violence now that Obama is out. I mean it wasn't condoned under him as even he called out looters as "thugs". 

Parents of the year nominees ...

 A suspected Antifa anarchist accused of inciting riots in Pittsburgh was turned in to police by his own parents Monday evening. Brian Bartels, 20, is accused of inciting violent protests in the city on Saturday in the aftermath of the death of George Floyd.

https://saraacarter.com/suspected-antifa-anarchist-accused-of-inciting-riots-turned-in-to-police-by-his-parents/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-pug&fbclid=IwAR0v-Bb_HR7Lm1lEVTa8Esrjc3vem14httoF64ckCgnVydpA62dznzeBXCw

https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/06/01/brian-bartels-pittsburgh-protest-arrested/

All — no.  But Trump has done everything possible to escalate the violence.  Past presidents such as Obama, both Bushes, Clinton always sought to calm both sides.

Is reddit equivalent to the government now?
Do we all have a constitutional right to a Twitter account?

I mean, sure, I suppose journalists being pepper sprayed while lying on the ground is bad.  But you know what else is equally bad?  When YouTube permanently suspended my account and I had to use Vimeo instead.  It was practically the same thing as slavery.

For people who worship the free market, you guys get awful whiny about being banned on social media platforms owned by private companies.

Obama was super slow to say anything and when he did it wasn't very vocal. Most people didn't hear it. I guarantee if you ask most police they would tell you the hate against officers was started because Obama appeared to support it. It's one of the major things to piss off conservatives with him.

More fake news today. I'm sure you haven't heard the other side so I'll let you in. Since the mysteriously quiet group of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer came out of hiding to issue a joint statement to call out the “photo-op” of Trump at the church and accusing Trump of having peaceful protesters physically removed. What they and the liberal media failed to tell you is what Marco Rubio has pointed out.

"Many in the media fell for the calculated & deliberate tactics of professional agitators.

They knew the street needed to be cleared before 7pm curfew.

But they deliberately stayed to trigger police action & get the story they wanted, that “police attacked peaceful protestors.”

He says they "fell" for it while we know the truth. They were a part of the cover up. I swear 80 percent of the shit said about Trump is only half truths.

I was comparing things on Reddit and Twitter, an apples to apples comparison.  I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

nope .. not buying it .. at all .. this is coming from the same sources that brought you such hits as sandy hook as a false flag operation meant to take your guns. That stoneman douglas wasn't so bad and that people complaining were paid actors. and that charlotsville had good people from both sides. 

as George bush once said "fool me once, shame on me.. fool me again ..  .. well .. you can't get fooled again"

Would you like me to go over our war strategies and the items we did, and were willing to do, all within (reasonable reach) of Geneva? 

I have no clue where those bricks came from.  Maybe someone from the protests sent them there.  Maybe someone from an in-bedded white supremacist group did it.  Maybe the building was under construction and they were already there.  Weird thought.

But if anyone thinks, for one moment, our own government is not capable of underhanded items such as undermining a peaceful protest on purpose for their own reasons?  I suggest you do some research, reading up on released, declassified government documents (and get off YouTube and Google).  Maybe start with an easy one - like "the war on drugs." 

I don't remember Obama tweeting "LIBERATE MISSOURI!" during the Ferguson protests, but I could be wrong.

edit: The curfew is before the curfew is a nice touch, CF.

I'm talking about the government (i.e. not a social media company) declaring Antifa a "terrorist organization." Regardless of any whining about "shadowbanning" conservatives, the government steadfastly refuses to declare any right-wing extremists "terrorist organizations."

I couldn't care less about whether Antifa's Facebook account is suspended.

Would you stop whining about white supremacy every 5 seconds if they did?  Make them both terrorist organizations, idgaf. 

Anything is possible as it always is. One thing for sure is that it's definitely a coordinated effort as it has happened in all the major cities. Since many Antifa has been arrested and/or been caught paying looters to destroy I'd bet it's a pretty good chance it was them. I can't for the life of me see how destroying something that was actually unifying would benefit the current administration. A more suspicious person would question why whenever things start going better for the country how we just happen to have another crisis seemingly out of nowhere.  

It's my understanding many white hate groups are on a list. Trump has adamantly spoke against white supremacy but no one ever listens.

Trump, Aug. 14, 2017: As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence. It has no place in America.

And as I have said many times before: No matter the color of our skin, we all live under the same laws, we all salute the same great flag, and we are all made by the same almighty God. We must love each other, show affection for each other, and unite together in condemnation of hatred, bigotry, and violence. We must rediscover the bonds of love and loyalty that bring us together as Americans.

Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.

We are a nation founded on the truth that all of us are created equal. We are equal in the eyes of our Creator. We are equal under the law. And we are equal under our Constitution. Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America.

Unless that "list" is a list of terrorist organizations, that's irrelevant.  Because that's the list Trump is putting Antifa on.

Please spare me the Trump double talk, where he calls murderous white supremacists "very fine people" one day and then "strongly denounces them" the next.  Pretty weird how Trump hasn't felt the need to point out the Very Fine People among the rioters, or among the protesters outside his house, right? Seems like he only does that for white supremacists.

edit: For the record, "very fine people on both sides" came AFTER the statement you just quoted.  So yeah, it's meaningless.

Your supposed double talk was in the previous sentence and the same day not on different days.  You know this and still continue to state otherwise:

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group.  But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.  You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did.  You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”  



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_didnt_call_neo-nazis_fine_people_heres_proof_139815.html)

this is why it useless to discuss things with you. It's been pointed out to you several times that Trump did not call "white supremacists "very fine people". You love to pretend you don't know and only use the CNN soundbite you also had people that were very fine people on both sides

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group.  But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides.  You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did.  You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

Jinx

hahaha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJDZnd_LYeg&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1Fz9h2nXPmPm5ZBI4TyRgZsm2MQ5uaSRmtZL9yEfINZaYfc6SbC4pilpo

Cops planting bricks

I don't see them planting anything.  For all you know they collected those so they weren't used.  Even the comments overwhelmingly think something is fishy with the video.

I submit that no person in attendance with the position that they should celebrate robert e lee was in fact a fine person or doing anything else other than celebrating a traitor and the institution of slavery.

shocked !!! .. no .. not really .. this is exactly what i expected and what i predicted earlier

Watch it carefully.  They take the bricks out of the back of the truck and place it on the ground.  If they were gathering bricks and hauling them away, that would be different. 

Fail.  Try again, slugger.  The quote is from the article that I linked.  Note that the article is not from some right wing nut job website.  It is from NBCnews.com  

 "Video of police in Boston unloading bricks from a vehicle has been viewed millions of times. The person who first posted it has since taken it down, saying she can’t be sure whether it does indeed show officers leaving the bricks at a protest site as she first suggested. That hasn’t stopped others repeating the claim. NBC News’ has now verified the footage shows the police unloading the bricks at the police station."

 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/live-blog/2020-06-02-nationwide-protests-over-george-floyd-death-live-n1221821/ncrd1222216#liveBlogHeader

Liberals and their crazy conspiracy theories.  Take the tinfoil hat off!

Both liberal AND conservative dipshits are getting as hysterical as little girls and making things worse by spreading unverified nonsense on social media.   The situation is bad enough.  But 90% of people make zero effort to verify any of the BS they are spreading.  How about we all actually do a little verifying of information before we go getting all spun up and getting others all spun up. 

That's not the American way though...guilty first, proof later.   8)

 

Valid point.  Carry on, everyone.  We now return to our regularly scheduled broadcast of rumor based hysteria.

So how come Trump hasn't mentioned the very fine people protesting now?  He had lavish praise and encouragement for the right-wingers screaming about their constitutional right to spread diseases.

When neo-Nazis were marching with torches shouting "Jews will not replace us" and one of them drove a car into a crowd of pedestrians killing a woman in the process, there were "bad people on both sides" and "very fine people on both sides." So why aren't we hearing about the "bad people on both sides" during the riots?

Trump continually makes excuses and equivocates when it comes to those of his supporters who are white supremacists.  Even in the quote Tenshot cited (and bolded!), Trump said, "Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group." In other words, if you don't publicly identify yourself as a "neo-Nazi," you're a Very Fine Person who is just there to defend the honor of a general who committed treason in defense of slavery and had a commemorative statue erected 70 years later for the express purpose of intimidating black people.

Umm ... he has. I'm guessing that hasn't made the CNN or MSNBC news though. He's said several things about the protesters and honoring the memory of George. Again ... it's the criminal activity he has been attacking. So hard to find his postive quotes on google though. I guess that's just a coincidence? 

"The death of George Floyd on the streets of Minneapolis was a grave tragedy. It should never have happened. It has filled Americans all over the country with horror, anger, and grief."

“We support the right of peaceful protesters, and we hear their pleas. But what we are now seeing on the streets of our cities has nothing to do with justice or peace.”

The first quote refers to a dead man, and completely avoids casting any blame (so, no "bad people on both sides").  Perhaps praise for the living is a bridge too far?
The second quote praises hypothetical "peaceful protesters," but then goes on to specifically exclude the actual people on the streets right now, saying they have "nothing to do with justice or peace."
Feel free to provide more quotes, though.  I know this game you like to play only works if we completely ignore all of Trump's incendiary statements (e.g. "When the looting starts, the shooting starts"), but ultimately, anyone trying to make a meal out of Trump's words of kindness towards his opposition is going to starve.

On a related note, now that many areas around the country have instituted curfews, when are we going to see all our armed patriots - the ones who thought 100,000 deaths were insufficient cause to disallow them from getting a haircut or their nails done - storming state capitols to Protect Our Liberty?  I was told that orders to stay home were Tyranny and Completely Unconstitutional Violations of Our Freedom.

I guess if thousands of people are dying per day then We Must Resume Our Lives, but if someone is looting a Target then our Constitutional Rights are optional.

I can't disagree with this.  Your theory is honestly as valid as any other out there.  It's very suspect.

Normally I try to stay out of international politics (Australian politics is annoying enough to comprehend and tolerate), however as an outside observer I would like to point out a couple of things that have me shaking my head in disbelief.

First with the Covid-19 crisis, the complete separation from the states and the Federal executive in what is a pandemic situation.

In Australia (admittedly a smaller population and only 6 states and two territories to juggle compared to 50 states plus others, etc) all state Premiers (equivalent to the US Governors) met with the Federal Government and together developed a plan to stop the pandemic, and that's regardless of the politics involved (currently overall it is a bit of a mish-mash of both conservative and liberal elements). Yes most states (like mine) have gone a little outside of the general narrative (enforcing a hard border to restrict travel), but generally it has been a well combined effort regardless of political ideologies.

The USA in comparison seems to be genuinely combative - is that seriously the best strategy in the face of a human disaster?

Secondly, I cannot believe an American President is buddying up to the likes of Putin (former KGB and basically a dictator) and Kim Jong Un (Communist leader, dictator) while dissing on the likes of NATO. It would be the equivalent of Reagan being best buddies with Muammar Gaddafi, the Ayatollah Khomeini, Kim Il Sung and Li Xiannian. You just have to hope there is method to this madness, otherwise if these three nuclear maniacs have a personal fall out we are all fucked.

Thanks for posting that.  It is always good to get the viewpoint of someone who is kind of on the outside looking in.   Sadly, I think you are spot on when it comes to the combative nature of politics in the US.   Our politicians are much more interested in pandering to their base constituents and "keeping those poll numbers high" to help them get re-elected than they are with actually solving any problems.   Congratulations to your politicians for putting aside their campaign rhetoric and actually working together on the Coronavirus situation. 

I agree as long as we include lobbyists and billionaire financiers as "base constituents" even "primary constituents"

Absolutely.  I wish I had included them in my comment. 

I'm seeing plenty of this.  I don't even think it's the most hardcore liberals or conservatives that I'm seeing it from.  It's the conspiracy-heavy people (who fall all over the political spectrum, like you said.)

We may have got very lucky in the way most of the election cycles seem to be around mid-term here, so all political opponents from either side of the fence for a brief moment in time took their minds off saving their own hide and thought about the greater good of the country. It's sad it takes a moment of world crisis and dumb luck for that to happen...  :-[