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Being a hard core Florida boy Tampa is my second team. I also root for the Jags outside of against the Dolphins. I had already kind of moved passed being angry with Brady for our failings so when he went to Tampa I did not hate it. I know some Phin fans still hate him and I guess I understand but hating Tom at this point because we sucked seems odd to me. I always respect the greatest to play this game. Anyway ... Dave Hyde wrote an article on this subject.

Hyde: He’s old, he’s the underdog, he showed up Belichick — how can’t you root for Tom Brady this Super Bowl?
If you’re looking for a team to root for this Super Bowl — and Dolphins fans are for the 36th straight year — this one’s easy: Tom Brady’s Tampa Bay over Patrick Mahomes’ Kansas City. The Goat over the Kid. The star of the last 20 years over the star of the next 20.

Sure, it’s a little like rooting for Elon Musk to get richer, but this isn’t the New England Brady anymore. He made a mockery of this season of age, defenses and New England coach Bill Belichick. How can’t you get behind that? Even as Tampa Bay celebrated its win against Green Bay in Sunday’s NFC Championship, a photo-shopped image of Belichick’s grumpy face hit the internet atop Bernie Sanders’ slouching, socially popular body.

Belichick, smart as he is, successful has he’s been, must have the scowl on simmer with the rest of New England now. Belichick watched the ex-spouse succeed. What would sting his legacy more: Spygate, Deflategate or Brady winning a Super Bowl the year he leaves?

Brady bet on himself. That’s another reason to root for him. He bet on writing a better ending himself than New England provided. Who can’t appreciate him saying after Sunday’s game, “It’s been a great journey thus far.”

Finally, for any of us growing older – and it happens, look in the mirror – Brady has a chance to be the oldest winner in Super Bowl history. He’s 43. Patrick Mahomes’ dad is 50. Brady represents a chance to think the dimming of the light can be put off a little longer.

He rode Todd Bowles’ defense a lot Sunday, just as he did the previous win against New Orleans. But Brady also picked his spots to change the game. Just before half, Tampa Bay considered punting but kept Brady on the field for a fourth down near midfield.

He completed a 6-yard pass for a first down to Leonard Fournette. Eight seconds left now. Set up a field goal, right? Brady surprised Green Bay by throwing 39 yards to Scotty Miller for a touchdown and a 21-10 lead.

He then closed out the game in a manner Green Bay’s Aaron Rodgers didn’t. Rodgers wasn’t helped by coach Matt LeFleur kicking a field goal late in the game rather than go for a fourth-and-goal at the 8-yard line. Education can be painful sometimes, and LaFleur perhaps cost Rodgers a Super Bowl trip with that decision.

This time of year is harder on older quarterbacks. One week Brady helped retire Brees. This Sunday he helped sent Rodgers home to ponder a 1-4 record in NFC Championship games.

Now comes the risen star of Mahomes. In the AFC title game, Mahomes outclassed Buffalo’s Josh Allen, just as he’s done against everybody for the past few years. He now has the chance to be the first quarterback to win two rings by age 25.

“We’re going to try to run it back,’' Mahomes said, referring to winning the title last year at Hard Rock Stadium.

Tampa Bay becomes the first team to play the Super Bowl in its home stadium. That’s something the Dolphins always talked of doing.

“Home Super Bowl for the first time in NFL history puts a lot of cool things in perspective,’' Brady said. “Anytime you’re the first doing something, it’s usually a pretty good thing.”

Brady and the Bucs won’t be the pick. Not this game. Not against these Chiefs. So you can root for the underdog. He doesn’t need anyone to root for him anymore. He’s won more than anyone in football. And if he was still a Patriot, this Super Bowl would come with a repetitive eye-rolling quality.

But he’s a Buc.

He’s old.

He’s showed up Belichick.

The Chiefs might be the pick. But isn’t it easy to root for Brady this Super Bowl?

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-sp-ss-prem-hyde-super-bowl-teams-20210125-s22xjxzeafehfjgwaa6kjxdgda-story.html

I can never cheer for Brady... Go Chiefs!

I no longer hate Tom Brady as I have grown to hate society more and they hate to see him win so Go Brady!

I always thought him a cheater.  But after watching him take the losingest franchise in the NFL (and possibly all of pro sports) to a Super Bowl in their own backyard and doing it at an age when most guys are over the hill, I have to admit he really is that good

I don't like Brady for various reasons, but I like Jerry Rice even less.  Brady's continued success means that the last 49er I hear about - Rice in "Best NFL player ever" discussions" - goes away.  So while I'm not rooting for Brady, I'm also not really rooting against him.

However, if the Bills had beaten KC, I would definitely be rooting for Brady to rip out their hearts one last time.

You should probably talk to someone about your issues with the 49ers...that really can't be healthy.

I didn't realize anyone hated Jerry Rice.

Sunstroke, I have no idea what teams you dislike, so I can't even begin to draw an analogy for you.

CF, imagine if you lived near NYC, and for many years, the media widely considered Joe Namath to be the best QB of all time and Curtis Martin to be the best football player of all time.  How would you feel about the prospect of other players eliminating the mention of filthy stinking Jets from your NFL life?

The glaringly obvious reason for that is because I don't spend much (if any) time whining about the teams I don't like.

I have mentioned on a few occasions up here that I absolutely hate the Dallas Cowboys, mainly because of the whole "America's Team" horseshit.


People who had to watch him win and win and win...but was never able to celebrate any of it. They're the only ones...

I don't think it is a coincidence that an avowed 49er fan is always the only person on this board calling me out for my obsessive hatred of the 49ers.  I doubt anyone else notices, even though I've had "Bay Area Niner-Hater" under my avatar since the day I signed up to this forum.

I do.  I hate the teams I hate more than I love the teams I love.  At least historically, but I'm getting softer in my old age.

I don’t think Brady winning in anyway tarnishes the legacy of Bill “It is better to get rid of a player too early than too late” Belichick.

The biggest thing tarnishing BB's legacy to TB's is the fact Bill has 1 playoff win without Tom but Tom already has 3 without him and in less years. I dare say if BB doesn't make the playoffs again next year a lot of Patriot fans will turn on him.  

Well, yes...and...duh!

Speaking of the 49ers: Bill Walsh has zero playoff appearances without Joe Montana as a starter.  I don't know that Walsh's legacy is affected by it.

I really don't either...BB is still one of the greatest football coaches of our era.

Two. Steelers was more Bledsoe than Brady.  

And BB deserves at least 3- 4 years to rebuilding the team.  

If Brady is still playing at a higher level than Patriots QB in 2023 then BB let him go too soon.  But Brady having one or two good years is not a problem.  NE got to the SB 9 times in 20 years BECAUSE BB was willing to let Wilfork, Seymour, Welker, etc leave a few years BEFORE the decline rather than after.

Fixed

I don't think anyone doubts him being a great defensive coach but can he build a winning team without TB? He's in total control so if he can't then no one to blame but himself.

With all this said we are talking about fans here and we all know how fickle they can be. I just think if BB struggles next year a lot of people will be jumping off his ship.

BB is 68 years old and has enough Super Bowl rings from NYG and NE to fill up his fingers on both hands.
I think he's probably past the point of having something to prove.  It's not like he inherited someone else's Tom Brady.  The game manager Tom Brady of 2001 is a far cry from the perennial MVP candidate and multiple passing record-holder Tom Brady of the last decade, and Belichick's coaching had significant influence on that.

So are you saying that many Patriot fans won't jump ship if next season doesn't pan out? I get that you like him but remember how DolFans and media turned on Don Shula? Today's NFL is much more immediate gratification today than ever before.

It took Dolphin fans 22 years to turn on Shula.
I think BB will be fine for a while.

Plus, I don't think NE fans want BB gone if there's any chance McDaniels takes his place.  No one can be that blinded by homerism.

Rooting for Brady is like rooting for somebody who always hits scratch and win to hit another one.

It may be hard for me as a Marino fan, given the shit people talk about Marino, yet watching Brady win game after game and get break after break from his teammates and his opponents

Maybe it was in 2006, where he threw three interceptions in the Divisional round against SD, but the Chargers were DETEMINED to make more mistakes to lose that game.

Maybe it was watching him throw three interceptions against SD in 2007 in the AFC title game, but still win because SD couldn't score a single touchdown.

Maybe it was the 2011 AFC title game, where he threw two interceptions, but Lee Evans couldn't hold onto the winning score, and then Billy Cundiff misses the easy field goal. 

Or in the 2014 Super Bowl, when he threw two costly interceptions in the Super Bowl, but his defense turned into the 1985 Bears defense in the fourth quarter, preventing the Seahawks from icing the game.  Then of course, the dumbest pass play in SB history.

Or in the 2016 Super Bowl, where he became the first quarterback to throw a pick six in the Super Bowl, but because the Falcons decided to do insanely stupid things, the Patriots still won.

Or the 2018 AFC title game, where he let the Chiefs back into the game with the first of his two interceptions.  Then he threw what should have been the game clinching int, but Dee Ford stupidly lined up offsides.

Even this playoff season.  Twice, the Saints had the momentum on their side, then BOOM, a turnover and Bucs are right back in the game.  I watched his defenses come up with countless turnovers and stops at the most crucial times. 

Brady is now 7-4 in playoff games in which has thrown at least two interceptions.  3-1 in those which he thrown at least three.

The Bucs have advanced to the Super Bowl mainly on the strength of their defense.  FIVE touchdowns off turnovers?

I disagree.  He's an incompetent moron, as this season proved. 

It's possible to win a championship with an incompetent coach if your team is stacked, as Barry Switzer proved in 1995.

i wonder, has ANY coach EVER benched their best defensive player for the Super Bowl, let alone not put him in the game at all even if your defense is being shredded?

So on one hand, Brady is a lucky player who wins because he gets undeserved breaks:


And Bill Belichick is a moron who wins championships in spite of his idiocy:


But on the other hand, the only thing stopping Brady from winning every playoff game is bad officiating:


And moron Bill Belichick, who somehow has more SB rings than any other head coach, has actually been unfairly oppressed by the zebras for the last 20 years:


Please make up your mind.  Were the Belichick-Brady Patriots a bunch of idiot losers who somehow lucked into having every game handed to them, or were they the greatest winners of all-time who amazingly overcame constant referee screwjobs?

My statements do not contradict each other.  It possible to win even though your quarterback has a subpar game.  It is also possible to lose because of bad officiating.  It is also possible to lose due to bad officiating.  The Patriots did both during the Brady/Belichick years.

It is possible to lose games because of bad coaching.  It is also possible to win games in spite of bad coaching.  The Patriots did both during the Brady/Belichick years.

Example:  The 2006 Season.

In the Divisional round, Brady played bad and threw three interceptions.  The Patriots still won 24-21.  Why?  Because, as you yourself so eloquently put once, their opponent just wanted the loss more.  Stupid turnovers and stupid penalties gave the Patriots the win.

The Next week, the Patriots faced the Colts, where the refs robbed them blind.  (And if you want to watch the game, it's on youtube, and you'll see that the calls in question have no justification whatsoever.  There is possible way you can justify ANY of them).  They couldn't overcome the calls and lost 38-34

Spider, am I wrong to say Brady HASN'T gotten a lot of help from his teammates over the years?

So in Summary:

1) Brady has a lot of Super Bowl rings, but I don't think it's fair to compare him to other quarterbacks because he has gotten more support from his team, and in some cases, the idiocy of his opponents then the other quarterbacks have.

2) Brady would have a lot MORE super bowl rings if not for bad officiating.

Armando and Joe Rose were joking  about how Brady came out this year and settled whether it was BB or TB ... LOL. I just can't help but see this thing growing legs which is made much easier because BB is so unlikeable.

"Your boos mean nothing...I've seen what makes you cheer!"

Saw this in an article today about this subject and found it humorous.

There is a definitive answer to the Tom Brady vs. Bill Belichick debate, and it has nothing to do with which New England Patriots legend is involved in Super Bowl LV.

Bill Belichick never threw a block. He never made a tackle. He never threw a pass nor kicked a ball. Players win games.

Hold on. Don’t get mad. Don’t close that tab yet. That’s a quote from Belichick himself. He said it in 2012 after winning his 200th game.

“It’s been a privilege and a great opportunity to coach the players that won those games,” Belichick said at the time. “I didn’t make a block, I didn’t make a tackle, I didn’t throw a pass, I didn’t kick a ball — the players win. But it’s been an honor to coach the group of players that really go out there and make plays and win those games.”

Belichick made a similar statement as recently as this season after winning a game in his 50th stadium, which was made a big deal for some odd reason.

“The only reason I’ve won a lot of games is because I’ve coached a lot of good players,” Belichick said. “Players win games and I’ve been fortunate to coach a lot of great players through the years. We won today because our players made big plays to win. I’m fortunate to have the opportunity to coach some outstanding players and they turned those into outstanding teams.”

There’s more.

From 2019, after Belichick won his 300th game:

“It’s a great privilege to coach this team and to coach the guys that I’ve coached throughout my career,” Belichick said. “Fortunately, I didn’t play in any of those games. That’s a good thing for us, but I’ve had a lot of good players, a lot of great players and they’re the ones that win the games. I’ve had a lot of great assistant coaches on my staff through the wins at Cleveland and certainly here. I was a part of those but, honestly, players win games in this league and I’ve been fortunate that I’ve coached a lot of great ones.”

After the Patriots won Super Bowl LIII.

“Obviously, couldn’t do it without all of them,” Belichick said. “They’re the ones that deserve the credit. The players went out there and competed against a great football team.”

Before the Patriots played in Super Bowl XLII.

“All the credit goes to the players,” Belichick said. “I’m really lucky to coach this team.”

And on it goes. You get the point.

https://nesn.com/2021/01/tom-brady-or-bill-belichick-patriots-head-coach-already-answered-debate/

To Hyde's original question, I freely admit Brady's greatness and grudgingly admit he probably is the GOAT at QB.   But I will still find it very easy to root against him in the Super Bowl because I don't like him. 

The only thing that article proves is the fact (despite the false narrative to the contrary) that BB is extremely humble.  After a win he never takes credit, he always praises others.  After a loss he credits the other team and blames himself never others.   

That's what a smart coach does.

The greatest coach of all time, Don Shula  ;D was doing that when BB was a high school kid. 

Here's a good analogy and yes it's from my life, and I don't care what you think of that.  It seems like an appropriate analogy, so I will use it.

I bought a car this month.  I told my coworkers about it and they congratulated me.  One of them said, "I guess you will now have to make car payments."   

I said that no, I wouldn't have to because I had saved up enough for it.  She punched me playfully and jealously, saying she wishes she could buy a car outright.

Now, I worked very hard (I rarely take unpaid days off) to save up for that car and made some wise decisions to do so.  However, i also have advantages that my coworker does not have.  I live with my parents and do not have children.

The fact that I was able to buy my car outright while she couldn't does not necessarily mean that I am more successful then she is.  There are other factors in play in this situation.

The fact that Brady has more Super Bowl rings than any other player or quarterback does not necessarily mean he is greater than them.  There are other factors in play in this situation too.

Belichick DID

- Mismanage the clock at the end of the 2006 AFC title game*
- Make a dubious decision on fourth and long in the 2007 Super Bowl*
- Bench his best defensive player for an entire Super Bowl, costing the Patriots the game

Brady also did not make a block, intercept a pass, force a fumble, make his opponents do stupid things.

Don't forget Brady gave his MVP car from Super Bowl XLIX directly to Malcolm Butler

By all accounts Brady is a wonderful and generous human being.     

Damn ... Danny Amendola just blasted BB and the Patriots and put TB on a pedestal ... LOL.

When asked about New England head coach Bill Belichick getting players to buy in to the "Patriot Way" Amendola responded

"When you see the 'Patriot Way' in the dictionary, it's got Tom Brady's picture next to it. None of those coaches caught any passes. None of those coaches made any tackles. They got guys in the right positions because they watched a lot of film and spent a lot of time at the facility. Tom Brady is the 'Patriot Way.' That's why he's in the Super Bowl & the Patriots aren't."

Who are you and what have you done with Dolphins4life?  >:D I'm joking of course but this is perhaps the most wisdom in one of your posts that I have ever seen. Please let this person out more often.

I believe what you mean to say here "is either way he is a miserable fuck."  He might smile for about an hour after winning a Super Bowl, but that's about it.

It comes out quite a bit.  Remember this?
 
http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=25901.30 (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=25901.30) 

Sometimes, however, I say things that people on the board don't like, even if they are totally correct, in which case the usual results are just insults and rhetoric.     

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SxpiE0_FNY&t=1223s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SxpiE0_FNY&t=1223s)

Great work here.  I won't make you watch the whole video, but if you do, it's very well done, but here are the key stats.

1) W-L with a rating of below 78.5 on 25+ attempts

Brady is 10-5
Every other NFL quarterback ever is 90-310

2) Playoff wins since 2001 with a rating of below 78.5 on 33+ attempts

Brady is 9-5
Every other NFL quarterback is 10-75

3) W-L with a rating of below 73.5 on 33+ attempts

Brady is 7-4
Every other NFL quarterback is 27-175

4) Playoff W-L since 2001 with a rating of below 86.5 on at least 25 attempts.

Brady is 11-7
Every other NFL quarterback is 40-116 

5) Playoff W-L when throwing more INTs than TDs since 2001

Brady is 6-5
Every other NFL quarterback is 4-52

I think it has far more to do with the stout play of the Buccaneer defense.     

At times that has been true but Brady brings a lot more to the team than his play. He coaches the whole offense and has helped to motivate a struggling defense. Bucs players also are giving a lot of credit to Gronk but there is definitely a huge Brady effect on that team.