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In general, a pretty boring game.

Tom Brady played well and is worthy of praise in general, but he wasn't even close to being the story of the game.  Mahomes scrambled on every single play and there just wasn't offensive protection/great pass rush -- depending on how you look at it.  You held the best offense in the league to 0 TDs.  It was a total beatdown, front to back.

It didn't affect the outcome, because it was so lopsided, but the officiating was not only one-sided, but it was heavy-handed.  There were a lot of big flags and bailouts for calls that might be technically correct by the letter of the law, but not related to what was happening in the play and not evenly called.  Disappointing...not sure if that was homefield advantage, the Brady effect or what....

Halftime -- I didn't love the performance, but it was fine.  I like when they take an artist and let them do their thing, rather than a weird mash-up where they're trying to appease all tastes and age ground.  The Weekend wasn't as good as Bruno Mars, for example, but I'll take that all day over Aerosmith featuring Brittney Spears.

Commercials were fine.  I think my favorite joke of the night was the M&M commercial where the guy says "I'm sorry for mansplaining.  ...that's when a man"  Surprised at how so many of the commercials seemed to look backwards to really old references.  95 South, Shaggy, these super old Bud Light references from the 80s....I mean...whatever, but most of that stuff was lost on the people who were watching with me.

Todd Bowles used to be our secondary coach and if I recall correctly, he was the interim head coach after Sparano got fired.  He's the DC for the Bucs now.  All head coaching positions have been filled, but he is going to be a hot commodity next offseason after his unit's performance last night. 

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY keeps Mahomes out of the end zone.

I read that KC's O-Line was decimated with injuries and combine that with Mahomes injured foot and it wasn't a surprise. Not even the great Mahomes can succeed when he has no protection.

Yeah they lost their starting left tackle at the end of the Buffalo game.  So, right tackle moved to left tackle, guard moved to right tackle, and new guard starting.  That's a lot of movement on the O-line, and it really showed because that O-line was a mess from the start of the game and it got worse; not to mention the Bucs defense played great.

Note: this was Super Bowl LV, LIV was last year.

Best thing about this game was I didn't make it to the casino Saturday to place some bets, I would have lost.

Typical boring superbowl where one team showed up to play and one team just got shown up.

My takeaway was that Mahomes throws a better ball when he's parallel to the ground and being tackled than any Dolphin QB since Marino.  30 yards downfield and hits his receiver in the facemask.  And there were a couple of plays like that (almost all dropped).

Hard to overstate the value of a QB like that.

- Chiefs fans demonstrating clear Bad Call Syndrome in some cases, particularly Pat Mahomes' mother.  Seriously, do they realize that when you commit a penalty, the refs are supposed to throw a flag?  Oddly, Gisele didn't respond back by pointing out that the Chiefs got the bye en route to their Super Bowl victory last year because of CLEARLY incorrect calls in the KC/NE game last year.    

- Andy Reid was a moron before the half.  Even if they stopped Tampa, they would have had almost no chance to score before the half.  The Bucs were gifting them the chance to go into halftime down one score and getting the ball to start the second half.  Again, coaches did this with Brady all during his career in New England.  Also, how did he not teach his team how to line-up onsides?  Did he not learn anything with Dee Ford?

- (Begin Sarcasm) Brady really is the GOAT.  He pressured Mahomes all night.  He forced the Chiefs to line-up offsides, to commit stupid penalties, to make dumb decisions. (End Sarcasm)  No, Brady is not the GOAT.  If anything, every time he wins a Super Bowl, he proves to me more and more why it is not fair to compare quarterbacks by Super Bowls.  The numbers completely back this up.  Unless this is an intangible that I cannot account for.  

Double Edit:  Watch this video of all the calls in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLraMI5Au8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nLraMI5Au8)

EVERY SINGLE CALL is correct. 

Tampa's defense did a number on KC but Tampa just played clock management for much of the second half. This game was bad but could have been much worse for Chief fans.

I thought the bad cell phone connection commercial where Gwen Stefani ended up on a blind date with Blake Shelton was pretty funny. 

There is a similar Brady/Gronk one showing how they ended up playing for Tampa that is pretty funny too.

Especially when there was no Plan B in place. Pats are in that "Miami Dolphins Purgatory" now where they aren't bad enough to get a Top 5 pick to help a rebuild but they certainly won't be contending next year either, not in the AFC East. 8-8 next year is to be expected without some drastic moves in free agency and the draft, and even that might be generous since they have no one at QB. 

I'm still surprised that it went down the way it did. Not the way the relationship should've ended and not what Brady deserved either. Even if he stunk up the joint all year, he earned that right to go out on his own terms after winning them 6 Super Bowl titles.

If the Pats fail to win more than 8 games the next 2 years, it will basically destroy Belichick's legacy.

I said something similar and people acted like I was looney. If BB doesn't make a legitimate run next year, or at least the year after, the NE fans will turn on him like mad. TB doing what he did in Tampa raises expectations on BB regardless of its warranted.

with that said ... interesting take from Maine about Robert Kraft. He's probably at the top in regretting letting Tom leave.

Kraft is a good owner because he lets his football people run things without his interference. Unfortunately, his football people were feuding with his star QB and it was going to go bad one way or the other.

Belichick runs the whole operation so if they don't at least make the playoffs the next 2 years while Brady keeps going, then he becomes a Phil Jackson type. Overrated "genius" who couldn't do it without the star players.

I'm pretty sure Tom Brady didn't put the clamps on the Greatest Show on Turf.  Nor did he hold the #1 offense in the league to 3 points in the Super Bowl.

You guys are going way over the top with these Belichick hot takes.

I agree with Spider, take a screenshot.

Yes he did, Spider.  Didn't you read Maine's posts?  The "Brady Effect" is what make his defenses play out of this world in the playoffs.  Without Brady on the sidelines rallying his troops, the Bucs defense would not have made all those big plays.

Maine, i would like to know more about this "Brady Effect"

Is there a "Marino Effect" or "Manning Effect" that works in the negative direction?  Or was it the lack of a positive "Marino Effect" in Marino's case that prevented him from winning a Super Bowl?  Can a quarterback develop this effect?  Was there something Marino could have done in his career to make his defenses and opponents provide him with the same level of support Brady's defenses and opponents have?

Do other quarterbacks have similar effects but to a slightly lesser degree? (Montana and Bradshaw)

Do other quarterbacks have similar effects but to a much lesser degree, but still enough to win championships? (Every quarterback who has won a Super Bowl)

The 2006 team lost in the AFC Championship game because they were screwed over. (Don't respond with insults, please just watch the freaking game and see for yourself)  They reached the AFC title because of the Brady Effect against SD.  Even though Brady played horrible, throwing three interceptions, he forced the Chargers to make dumb mistake after dumb mistake, allowing the Patriots to win the game.  Belichick did make a bad clock management against the Colts at the end, but they should not have been in that position to begin with.

The 2008 team was the year Brady got hurt.  They went 11-5 that year and had a great offensive season.  Miami just won eleven games that year, too.   

There are several things that prevented Marino from winning the Super Bowl but two that stand out to me the most. 

First and foremost was the lack of a good defense.  The Killer B's were getting old when Marino was young.  Then  Shula brought in Olivehead (Tom Olivadotti), who couldn't coach a defense to save his life.  Also Shula the GM was nowhere near as brilliant as Shula the coach.  Although to be fair, Shula the coach routinely won 8-10 games per year, preventing him from getting those top ten picks. 

Second, Marino was a throw first type of guy so they didn't call a lot of running plays, allowing opposing defenses to adjust.  Also, his mobility was below average, so he was very slow in handing off the ball.  By the time the RB got it, the hole that the O-Line opened would already be closed.  I noticed in a lot of preseason games that the running game would look so much better once the backup QB's started playing.  This  became more profund in Marino's later years, especially when JJ was the coach.

Again, was there something Marino could have done, like Brady does, to make his defenses play out of this world?

Marino lost 10 playoff games in his career.  His defense gave up an average of 34.5 points per game in those losses.  Even if you take away the 62-7 Jaguars loss, that's a average of over 31 points per game in his losses.  This was in the pre-2004 NFL era, too.   

Marino simply didn't seem to have the effect on his defenses that Brady has had. 

Clock management is not Andy Reid's strong point

I just want to be on record that you guys are sleeping on Bill Bellichick.  He's one of the best ever, also.

Plenty of coaches have had great QBs that didn't build a dynasty over multiple decades.

Even if Bellichick never wins another game, his legacy is just fine.

I'd agree with you, he is the second best coach of all time.  To be fair last year the Pats had several players that opted out of the season due to Covid so that certainly hurt them.  BUT, things are going to be much harder on the Patriots going forward, as they are on a more level playing field with other teams; keeping in mind the following factors:

1) They don't have a QB, and as good as BB might be he can't make a QB elite.
2) There are some players out there, that after this past season, will believe that it was Brady making them SB contenders every year.
3) Now that they are starting the season as a SB contender, or even a playoff contender, they won't have star athletes wanting to go play there in hopes of getting a SB ring.
4) Both the Bills and Dolphins have finally improved after 15 years, so the Pats won't be entering the season thinking they have 6 wins, or at least 5.

Pretty much sums up my thoughts, one of the most boring Superbowls in the 39 years I have watched them. The game was very dull, the combination of the OL not being able to protect Mahomes & Tampa double covering Hill all game were fatal to the Chiefs hopes, especially when they got behind - along with their own mistakes, they literally could do no right this game. All credit to Brady and Tampa who really did not make a mistake all game, but the short passing and simple hand offs made it a grind to watch - at least it shortened the agony.

The officiating was in short, disgusting, an appropriate end for a season when it was incredibly bad overall. The NFL should be embarrassed just how bad that was. Best crew of the year for the Superbowl? Bullshit. Everyone in the NFL should relearn the PI rules, because honestly I don't think anyone has a clue anymore.

Halftime. Well it's great to have The Weeknd perform, a current artist with a lot of recent hits so the potential was good. He was decent but the sound was not strong though, at times it seemed to be lost a bit in the cavernous stadium - at least his Auto Tune was switched on, unlike Madonna at Eurovision 2019 which was really awful. I'm still wondering what he spent $9M of his own money on? It obviously wasn't the sound system, so I'm guessing maybe hookers and cocaine?

The sound doesn't come through the stadium speakers, at least it shouldn't.