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This is per the top 3 reporters in Houston and they seem to all be credible.

If this happens, I really may need to walk away from this franchise for a few years. Watson was a Pro Bowler or played at that level last year and Houston won 4 games. He won't be able to fix the Coaching, O-Line, Defense and Health issues, that's even if he isn't suspended or incarcerated. This is 100% Grier trying to save his job by trading away valuable assets and placing the blame on Tua. If this trade looks to go through and it's for a massive haul and Ross okays it, we are absolutely done for years to come. No cap room, no picks, no one with a brain running the show.

As if I thought this season couldn't get any worse.

Depends what the trade is for.  First rounder = bad trade.  4th round pick that becomes a second round pick if the Dolphins make the playoffs = worth taking a shot.

No, this is probably going to be Tua and our 1st rounders for 2022 and 2023, which would be 3 in total. New rumors say it's a 3 team deal with Tua going to Washington. No way Houston has come this far and will say for pennies on the dollar.

If Ross is dumb enough to approve this kind of move (which is Flores and Grier blaming the players for poor coaching and list management, and abandoning their rebuild early to save their own asses), then our team is doomed until Ross is no longer owner.

 

It remains to be seen if this is actually going to happen or not (Local Dallas sports radio is talking about it this afternoon too).  But if it does, Miami had better not give up much.  As many holes as the team has, if the get Watson they are essentially going to be the Houston Texans of the two previous years.   Excellent QB and a crappy rest of the team and a terrible record. 

Basically, yes. Unfortunately, for as dumb as the Texans are, does anyone really see them giving up Watson for a 3rd round pick? They waited this long, they will keep waiting until they get a package they like.

Going to be hard to stay loyal if this trade goes through and we willingly get fleeced.

Another disturbing consideration about the Dolphins "brain trust" is that IF they trade Tua, that means that they spent a #5 overall pick last year on a guy who they are willing to trade away after only 12 career starts.  So that would mean that either the Dolphins are stupid for giving up on Tua after only 12 starts OR the Dolphins are stupid for spending a #5 overall pick on someone who was so bad that they knew after only 12 starts that he wasn't the answer at QB for them. 

And they would be doing this after Tua's best game as a pro. Sadly, everyone is saying that Ross is the one pushing for this because he is just delusional. He is 81 and wants to win now but he would be replacing the guy who isn't the problem. If this trade goes through and it's for a huge draft haul, this might set us back another 5 years at least.

I've softened a little on getting Watson. By a little I mean that I'd trade Tua and a 1 (one) 2023 1st round pick for Watson. That's assuming that we have two 1st round picks in 2023. That's all I'd pony up.

Bad publicity

I'm not against Watson in a vacuum, he is a very talented QB. The issue I have is we tanked a whole season for Tua and want to quit on him after 12 games, with the 12th being his best one. He never had an O-Line, Running Game or Coaching and they think trading away all of our first rounders until 2024(at least) and cap space for another QB is going to solve everything.

We are not a Watson away from contending, we need an entire coaching overhaul and this is going to delay that for awhile.

How many years in prison is Watson facing?

20 different women so if convicted, life without parole.

He won't see a second of jail time for many reasons, two of them being the women will take a payoff and they can't actually prove anything otherwise he would've been arrested by now. The only true concern is suspension and that could come if he settles out of court, not so much if he fights it and wins. The girls don't want to expose themselves to perjury either so it's an interesting case from a legal standpoint.

This is a desperate panic move from a GM and coach that see themselves getting fired if they miss the playoffs.

This is buying a scratch-off because you don't have rent money.

I would agree 100% but lots of people are "reporting" this is being pushed by Ross and if that is true, I take back every nice thing I ever said about him. He is an idiot and needs to sell the team or have it taken from him. No one gets fired until the offseason at the earliest if we make this trade but the damage would have been already done. When you strike out in free agency two years in a row, you need a good draft and without first rounders, that's very hard to do.

If Dolphins pull this trade, I'm done with this Miami Football Team until Ross sells the team and Chris Grier is fired.

So fockin over this. Ross is a mental midget. He thinks cause he's made bling bling in Real Estate he can use that vast knowledge to run a football team. Yes, he's thrown money at the team, but he's definitely made mistakes with the people he's surrounded himself with and their decisions.

Fock, I've wasted the last 2 decades cheering this team on. At least when I was kid they were a playoff team and exciting to watch.

Sadly, I've passed this fandom onto my kid, he's invested

^^^ THIS

You see it in all fields of business. Smart guy with money buys a restaurant and it fails spectacularly and they lose a fortune. Just because you are good at one thing, doesn't mean you are good at another. I appreciate Ross spending a lot of his own money on the stadium and wanting to win, that really is great in today's day of greedy ownership. However, he has no idea what he is doing. If he fired everyone today and asked a random fan on Twitter what to do, I am convinced it would be a smarter decision than what he had in mind.

Twitter is hitting this hard.  Lots of tweets that the rumors are completely false and someone stirred up the rumor mill to get click bait.

One of the Dolphins beat reporters for ESPN said it was false but this is the type of stuff that the team should've denied publicly immediately. Team is already in shambles, don't want to entertain rumors that the one guy who is producing is going to be shipped out for a holdout. The fact that they didn't tells me these are true.

I'm going on record to say that I'm all FOR this trade. I actually don't think the Dolphins are in as bad of shape talent wise as most people think, they just haven't played up to their talent level. I believe that having a pro bowl QB on this team would be a good thing and I don't really feel that we would miss our 2022 and 2023 picks all that much. There's enough talent on this team to win, they haven't been doing it because they have been playing poorly, not because they don't have the talent to do it. Don't forget that Miami was missing possibly it's 2 best defensive players on Sunday and they were also missing several wide receivers. Yes, they lost to the Jaguars and have played poorly in their first 6 games. This year can't be salvaged but look at the long term benefits. The Dolphins still have a lot of young talent to cultivate. Maybe Flores and Grier are the problem and maybe they need to go to get to where we want to be, but Watson is a once in a lifetime type of proposition in my opinion and they should go for it. Look at the long term potential rather than the short term. It's not about this year anymore, it's about the next 10 years at this point we should be thinking about and Watson could be the QB for all 10 of them. I'm on board with that.

I'd also like to point out that the big difference between Miami this year and last year is the defense has been playing HORRIBLE. That can be fixed. How come no one is calling for the firing of the defensive coordinator Josh Boyer? Maybe he's the problem? Just because they had a decent year last year doesn't make him immune to scrutiny. The offense is actually better this year than last year in my opinion and Watson would only improve it in my opinion. Fire Boyer and replace him with someone competent and maybe just maybe even this year can be salvaged to some degree. Dolphins are not making the playoffs, but that doesn't mean they can't be playing like a playoff team come the end of the year.

I think a lot people are thinking with their hearts instead of their heads. That's been a problem here for a very long time. It's a business, there's no room here for sentimental BS. Get players that can play, I don't give a damn if they have "high character" or not. A good coach can coach around character defeciencies and winning solves everything.

^^^

I 100% feel the issue is coaching and a lot of people agree, so the problem is by trading for Watson you ensure that no one is going to get fired, maybe not even if they end the season with 4 wins. They all need to go and the sooner the better, not one coach deserves to stay put. Maybe the DC if he is not in charge anymore. Nothing but new coaches with no experience. I'd rather have a retread than this shit, just no Jeff Fisher.

We are 4-2 with competent coaching and since we played the Bucs and Bills, I think that is fair and a measure of our true talent. We are a good team, 1-5 is humiliating and heads need to roll and it ain't Tua's.

Who says? Flore's position is NOT guaranteed with a 4 win season. Maybe if they win 6 and if they win 5 of their remaining games then maybe just maybe Flores SHOULD be retained. You're over reacting. I understand your frustration but is it really any worse than the frustration we've felt for the last 2 decades?

The fact that he hasn't been fired already makes me believe he won't be fired at all this year if we trade for Watson. Also, going 5-6 to end the year is also a disaster since the "easy" part of the schedule is coming up. This is a playoff team and we are all but eliminated right now, we shouldn't be celebrating or retaining coaches with a 6-11 record and not even our own 1st rounder.

Question for who, is there any record that would make you want to fire the head coach midseason?

This is a potential playoff team if everything goes right, but things have not gone right. In fact I would say that pretty much everything that could have gone wrong has gone wrong from injuries, to mental mistakes, to poor play calling, to poor play, to just plain dumb luck. It's all been a disaster. If the rest of the year goes like the first 6 games, they aren't winning 5 of the next 11 and Flores will be fired. However I tend to think that this can't keep up for the rest of the year and we'll start to see some semblance of that playoff potential and that's regardless of who the QB is.

It's not just about the record. Records can be deceiving and I think our record is deceiving. We are a better team than Jax and should not have lost and had we won I don't think you would be suggesting that we fire everyone. So yes, if I felt that the team was as bad as the record indicates then it's possible I would agree with firing everyone, but right now I don't feel that way. I don't think the Dolphins are better than the other 4 teams to whom they have lost. At best we are about even with Indy and LV, we aren't in the same league as Buffalo and Tampa. So we have lost 1 game to a team that we should not have lost and 1-2 in games that we had a decent shot at winning. That's bad, but it's not fire the whole coaching staff bad, at least not yet it isn't.

I don't know how the Texans have any leverage.  He is costing the Texans significant coin for no benefit.  And he is a risky buy.

In a vacuum, they have no leverage for the reasons you suggested. However, for poorly run teams or contenders in need of a QB, there is a market. If Brady retired tomorrow, the Bucs would place a bid for Watson because they are built to win right now and have an excellent team. As far as the poorly run teams go......check the name of the website.

I'm not saying it is likely to happen, but in typical Dolphins fashion, I could see this happening.  Dolphins get Watson and before next season starts he goes off to prison or a lengthy NFL suspension and Tua goes on to become a star somewhere else. 

I don't understand how anyone is giving up on Tua already, especially after his last game where he was very good, even with no receivers or O-Line. This is just his 12th game, that's not even a full rookie seaosn and he has bad coaching. What the hell are we doing giving up on him after he improves every week? It's almost guaranteed he makes 4 Pro Bowls if we trade him now. Josh Allen didn't do shit until his 3rd year, Tannehill is doing great now that he has competent coaching and players. This isn't a Josh Rosen situation, kid needs a full year minimum before we throw in the towel.

This guy Neal Driscoll who used to write for PFN wrote today that there are certain people in the front office who are rooting against Tua because they wanted Herbert.  What the fuck is that shit??   You're rooting to possibly lose your job??

Tua failing doesn't mean Herbert is coming to Miami. Besides, Herbert was supported and allowed to throw the ball. Tua was given a check down offense and then removed and then put back in and then given a pair of idiot OC's and has had to deal with Watson rumors for almost a year now. The latest of which the Dolphins franchise refuses to deny publicly so you know they're real because even the players are saying it's a distraction and still nothing.

If you wanted to purposely ruin a QB's development, what would we have done differently?

Tannehill 2.0    I think the most frustrating thing for me as a fan is the fact that it seems like the franchise just keeps making the same mistakes over and over.  And it seems that even when they change coaches, GMs, etc. they still keep making the same mistakes as their predecessors.   We have been complaining for two decades about the same things like poor Offensive Line play, poor development of players who go on to be stars on other teams, etc.   The people in charge keep changing but somehow the problems are always still the same. 

It's hard to blame coaching for the O-Line since we have had like 9 O-Line coaches the past decade but we are using good draft picks on players and every now and then trading for and signing good guys. Once they get here, it's like it doesn't even matter. Even when some guys make the Pro Bowl like Pouncey, doesn't matter.

I think it has to be the organizational attitude or something. Maybe we are just too soft. Not saying be a caveman like Urban Meyer and do college drills like Oklahoma Rolls but it has to be something. Much eaiser to blame the philosophy and organization than analyze 36 failed draft picks and signings.

I really doubt anyone employed by the Dolphins has said, "I want Tau to fail".  However, those scouts that wanted Hebert over Tau, may very well be saying, "I told ya so."

I can see that, although if they overrode your advice to draft Herbert, wanting Tua to fail would probably mean more power within the organization so I could see wanting it.

Any chance that this trade talk is all just smoke? It's really just so unbelievable.

Flores said today that Tua is the QB but it took WAY too long to say that. Players spoke out yesterday that this was a distraction. I find it hard, but not impossible to believe the team would wait this long to deny it if it was false. It's certainly possible the rumors are false but I don't think so. This is either Grier trying to save his job or Ross being 81 and not knowing what to do to win a Superbowl.

Flores and the Ross have dismissed this rumor multiple times at this point, yet the media doesn't really focus on that.

As I find myself saying pretty often these days, "In our society, the truth has nothing to do with it."

The bolded bit to me is a worry. If the rumor coming out of Houston was all BS, then this same playing group who got behind Tua last year would all know it and not bat an eyelid. Surely they would be much more concerned with their own hideous lack of form to find this any kind of a distraction?

The team has a LOT of distractions they are dealing with, not just this Deshaun Watson trade. It's up to the coaches to get players to focus on games. If that's not happening it's a failure on the coaching staff, end of story.

You know, I just thought about this. Watson has a no trade which is why he hasn't been moved yet and Miami was allegedly always his #1 because we are a young team coming off a 10 win season.

However, we are now 1-6 and all but guaranteed to be 1-7. Our coaching is a mess. Our GM sucks. My potentially new "star" wide receiver can't stay on the field. Why would I want to go to Miami? Especially if they are going to have no good draft picks until 2025?

The thing that I keep coming back to as to why I don't think this is going to happen is that there isn't really any upside for the Dolphins to make this trade.  Which given their horrendous history, maybe that makes the trade MORE likely to happen.  LOL    Tua is still an unknown quantity at this point.  He has shown that he has the physical talent to be a very good QB (if he can stay healthy).  Like today, both of his interceptions were mental mistakes.  Some guys never pick up the mental aspect of the game.  But this early in his career there is no way to know if he will get better with his decisions.  But the football talent is there.  The next part of the equation that makes no sense is that if even if Watson is cleared and never gets arrested OR suspended, will his presence make the Dolphins a playoff team or even measurably better?  QB play is not why the Dolphins are 1-6.   The Texans were shitty with Watson no matter how great he played.  If he were the Dolphins QB, the Dolphins would also be shitty no matter how great he played.  And if you give up a boatload of draft picks, you just ensured they will continue to be shitty for the foreseeable future even if you get Watson in return AND he doesn't get arrested or suspended.  There is almost ZERO upside for the Dolphins to make this trade.  And it would have the potential to become would be known for decades as the stupidest trade in the history of football. 

Cause it's better than Houston.

We have busted horribly bad on many picks in the last two draft classes and free agency. If we now take Watson and give up other resources I will have a really hard time supporting this team. Tua is far from the problem with this team and he's getting better all the time. Sacrificing more for a QB that may or may not be able to play just to say you have a "franchise QB" would be the dumbest thing we have done ... and we lead the way in dumb decisions.  

IMO it's WAY too early to judge the last two draft classes.  One class missed out on all of preseason last year, and we are only (7) games into the season for the second draft class.

Our first round picks have been questionable at best. Noah can't make a game day roster when we have undrafted free agents playing his position. Austin Jackson is so bad at the position he was drafted for that he's playing LG and struggling to do that. Jalean Phiilips completely disappears. Waddle is solid but is being underutilized in the short passing game. The fact two other guys we could have had are breaking records makes the Waddle pick look bad. Pitts and Chase are looking like super stars already. Tua is actually getting better. Unfortunately that guy in San Diego is making his pick look bad by any measure. Can you imagine if we only had one pick each year because that's what we are getting out of those 5 picks.

Add in our free agent signings and we are at the bottom of the list for talent selections which our record shows.

2020
5   Tua Tagovailoa   QB   Alabama   
18   Austin Jackson   OT   USC   
30   Noah Igbinoghene   CB   Auburn   [v]
2021   
6   Jaylen Waddle   WR   Alabama   
18   Jaelan Phillips   DE   Miami (FL)   

Waddle at 6 is a solid pick, the kid is very good. Trading back from 3 and missing out on Chase and Pitts while only getting a 2023 1st rounder is the terrible part.

Phillips gets better every week so judging solely on the picks in 2021, I am fine with that.

FWIW, The Eagles have 3 first rounders in 2022 with two of them likely in the Top 10. No one can top their offer and 2 first rounders in the Top 10 would probably get the job done if the Texans get their heads out of their asses.

Please let the Eagles outbid us.

I think our terrible season is helping them outbid us.

I'm more worried that leadership will see our terrible season as reason to bid more.

Certainly not an unfounded worry, but Philly offering 3 first rounders for 2022 alone, not to mention 2 of them probably being Top 10 is much greater than us offering 5 first rounders since they would be well into the future whose value is uncertain. As dumb as we are, I can't see us doing even 4 first rounders and that would take us into 2024. That's a long wait if Houston wants to rebuild.

At this point, all we are playing for is to have a better record than SF. If I'm not mistaken, we have their 1st round pick for the next 2 years. Therefore, we need them to do as poorly as possible.

Do you have a link to anything recent on the Eagles sand Watson? Will he even accept being traded to Philly?

Nothing recent other than the reporters talking about Watson have mentioned several teams involved and one of them are the Eagles. Hurts has done nothing to show he is the one with half of his stats coming in garbage time.

If the Texans tell Watson the Eagles want him, I think he will accept it. He isn't even playing now, how much longer can he be happy sitting out games? Philly sucks but it's a major city(if he wants that)and the NFC East isn't exactly a juggernaut. Not the worst location as long as he is content with their subhuman fanbase.

Phillips only had 15 snaps against Falcons with zero tackles, assists, and pressures

He was getting better before that. I have to ask, why is our first rounder not on the field for almost every defensive play? What the hell is our coaching staff doing?

More reports that Watson is open to being traded to multiple teams now. Either the truth or Houston lying to get a better offer. Panthers in the mix too now that Darnold fell back to Earth.

I really think he is traded before the deadline but I don't think it will be to us.

The thing is if they were locked in on drafting Waddle, which it seems to me they were, then picking up a free future #1 pick was a great move.  I would have preferred they draft Sewell myself.

Two problems with that:

1) Locked in on Waddle as opposed to Chase, Pitts or Sewell was a terrible idea and you have to fir eyour draft people for that one

2) Moving down 3 spots from the "sure things" and only getting a 1st rounder 2 years down the line from a team projected to be good is terrible value. That pick isn't even worth a 2021 2nd rounder.

Take it for what it's worth. 3 first round picks is hard to swallow.

Miami Dolphins have reportedly agreed to terms with Houston on Watson trade, but issues remain (https://www.si.com/nfl/dolphins/news/miami-dolphins-reportedly-have-agreed-to-terms-with-houston-on-watson-trade-but-issues-remain)

Even if this story is true, there is no way Watson's legal issues are resolved by the deadline.

They would be settled if Watson financially settles with his accusers but he doesn't ant to do that as it is an admission of guilt. He is right to fight it if he is innocent but that route wouldn't conclude for quite awhile. A settlement can be done over a weekend. The issue with that is Roger Goodell would also see that as an admission of guilt and very likely suspend him for quite awhile. Rest of the year at a minimum.

I don't think Miami could get Watson to settle AND the Commish to rule by next Tuesday, that's a lot.

Oh, and where is Tua going? Having him on the same roster as Watson is beyond toxic and bad for everyone.

The more I think about it, the more I think this is bullshit. Why would the Dolphins agree to a trade as long as THE IMPOSSIBLE happens? There is no chance all of his legal issues and suspension issues are put to rest to their satisfaction within 6 days. That would require Harry Potter level magic. So, either the reporter is making shit up or someone like his agent leaked this for some strange reason.

Either way, if we want Watson and please God I hope we don't, then we will have to roll the dice on his legal issues.

I'll take "Making Shit Up" for 500, Alex...

+1

...but if Houston wants three #1 picks I'm okay if they are Tua, Austin Jackson, and Noah Igbinoghere.

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport says that Watson has not waived his no trade for any other team but Miami and the Panthers aren't expected to make an offer. So, once again it's Miami or bust. I have no idea if any of this is real but if we are the only bidder and Watson will not have his legal or suspension issues resolved any time soon then how the hell can we bid 3 first rounders for him? Forget the fact that we don't need him and we are morons for thinking he will fix the defense, there are no other offers so our options are give away 3 first rounders and hope he doesn't get suspended or tell them they can have a first rounder or piss off while paying him to not play for another year.

I had much more fun trying to lose in 2019 than I am watching us try to win in 2021. I didn't think we were a laughingstock in 2019, I thought we were smart. Now we are a laughingstock and I'm not hearing any trade rumors about Tua either so having them both on the roster is going to be insane.

"What? You didn't say NEW 1st rounders."

You don't trade for Watson for THIS year, you trade for Watson for the REST OF HIS CAREER. No, he doesn't fix the defense, the Dolphins are going to have to do that. Is he worth 3 1st round picks for the remainder of his career? I don't know. I'd consider it at least. You'd be stupid not to.

Actually maybe keeping Tua and getting Watson is actually not a bad idea at all. Let's suppose they acquire Watson, there's no rush to start him, this year is history. Maybe he sits on the bench for a few weeks or perhaps he's suspended or put on the commisioner's exempt list. That gives you some more time to continue to evaluate Tua and/or possibly for Tua to increase his trade value. The worst that could happen is that Tua doesn't live up to expectations and you have a fall back plan now. If Tua blows your socks off the rest of this year and Watson straightens out his legal problems and becomes eligible to play again then you decide what to do with one of them. You might just get back a few of those 1st round picks and possibly even more. Win-Win.

Make no mistake the reason that Watson is available right now is because he doesn't want to play for Houston and because of his legal status. If neither of those were an issue then he'd be playing for Houston and it would take EVEN MORE than 3 #1's to acquire him. You are buying LOW because of his status, so NOW is the time to do it if you are going to do it. If you wait till next year, might as well expect the price to go up significantly.

Couldn't the suspension issue be handled with conditional picks? 

Yeah, but I don't think Houston wants to take less than the 3 first rounders. If Watson misses all of 2022, then Miami would probably ask for the 2023 1st rounders back and I don't think Houston would only accept an 1st rounder for Watson when all is said and done.

Too many moving parts for this to get done. This is a panic move from both sides, two front offices filled with imbeciles who don't know what they are doing.

A settlement can be done sure. 23 won't.

If they settle then they will drop the criminal stuff as there will be nothing to go on. If the girls say "nevermind, thanks for the check" then that's the end of it. Watson so far refusing to settle is a good indicator he is or thinks he is innocent and there is no hard evidence of anything. Even if he is guilty, hard to prove these things.

I believe the girls are all represented by the same lawyer so that would make it easy to settle at once. Even if he did rape 3 of them, he didn't rape 23 of them, that would make him one of the worst sexual predators in American history. The girls just want to get paid like the lawyer so they will take the money since going to trial means they get nothing and possibly open themselves up to perjury or false charges.

That being said, while easier to settle 23 at once if they just want money and all have the same attorney, it still isn't easy and that will open himself up to a long suspension by Gooddell. After all, you can be innocent and settle for $25,000 if you are rich and want it done with. No person is going to shell out millions unless they are guilty, no matter how large their bank account is. For those reasons, I don't think a trade happens unless Miami shows even greater stupidity than they have already and trades a huge package for him and rolls the dice on his legal issues. They won't be able to get Watson now without doing so.

Houston reporter John McClain said the report is bogus and he never reported the Dolphins had worked out a deal. He said nothing has changed since last week.

John McClain
@McClain_on_NFL
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I'm being bombarded with messages saying I've reported a Watson deal to the Dolphins has been agreed on. I haven't reported that. Nothing's changed since last week. Dolphins -- and any other team Watson has approved -- want the legal issues resolved. That hasn't changed.

^^^

Ok, now this makes sense. There is almost a 0% chance his legal issues and suspension issues get resolved by Monday so this should put that to rest. However, there definitely was something to this and we engaged Houston in trade talks. We probably wanted to see if they would sell him on the cheap and they said they wnated full value and hopefully, that's the end of that.

Agreed, I hope that's it.  Dolphins brass (maybe/maybe not input from Ross) was looking for Watson via a trade.  This team can move forward with Tua if they can surround him with a conistent OL play, play calling that works to his skill set and have the DEF get off their fockin ass

If this was to happen, and I hope it doesn't, I'm done with the team until A) Ross is no longer the owner and B) Watson would not be on the team

Yeah, i know he's an elite player, but right now looks like a crappy human.  And the optics for the fanbase (especially women) would be "We are doing anything we can to win, regardless of what type of player we sign".  That's a not a good look.

An analysis of Tua's most recent game that suggests there's nothing significant wrong with the offensive design or play-calling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mdp42VnOano

Adam Beasley said this morning that Ross and company's refusal to deny like the other teams means they are doing something and he fully expects the Dolphins to pull the trigger prior to the deadline. At this point it's anyone's guess but I do know one thing. Tua has been the most disrespected QB we have ever had and yet he's likely the most accurate passer we've had since Dan Marino. If he wasn't such a good guy he'd have been asking for or forcing a trade.

It's kind of odd to me but Miami is most likely losing their 7-0 NHL hockey coach because he covered up a sexual assault 11 years ago and yet the Dolphins are dumping one of the best good performing character guys for a guy who has 22 sexual assault cases. You can't make this up.

If reports are correct Ross, Grier and company are just as tight as always and they do not believe he or Flores will lose their job. Apparently all of their bad coaching and player selections are Tua's fault so they are getting rid of him.

No one is talking about where Tua is going if the Watson trade happens. Is he going to Houston as part of the trade package or are we actually keeping him on the roster?

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoa-trade-rumors-potential-landing-spots-for-dolphins-qb-ahead-of-2021-nfl-trade-deadline/

Washington, Detroit, Denver or get this ... New Orleans. Can you imagine Tua winning a Super bowl with New Orleans ala Drew Brees? Good grief!

In terms of game plan, I thought last weeks game was pretty decent... BUT the Falcons also played a lot of deep coverage all game, which made taking the quick underneath stuff easy (and we still didn't win). Additionally, *any* game plan is going to look a lot better against a team ranked among the worst in the league against both the pass and the run than it would against even just an average team.

The last two would be great landing spots for him. Tua becoming a Lion and winning a few games while making us the #1 overall pick would be so beautiful and disgusting at the same time.

I like Tua, but if he goes somewhere else, I want to be able to root for him like I do Tannehill. So he can go anywhere outside of the AFC East except the Saints. Fuck the Saints and the rest of the AFC East...

Flores said today that barring injury, Tua is the starter for the rest of 2021. He can always plead ignorance if they trade for Watson by saying "I'm not the GM" but this seems pretty final. Of course, this statement may be more because a trade won't happen rather than confidence in Tua but this helps put the rumors to rest.

They won't rest fully until after the deadline but this looks done until the offseason.

When asked he answered "yes". It wasn't glowing support. They have more than made it known that he is their QB until something better comes along which now looks more likely the offseason.

After getting rid of the Florida Panthers coach for covering up sexual assault 11 years ago many people in South Florida are hoping it will cool the Jets on Watson. It would be quite embarrassing if they moved forward without him being found innocent. 

Just think about all the words that have been wasted in the media and online forums speculating about something that was never going to happen from Day 1.  As stupid as the Dolphins are, even they aren't stupid enough to get rid of a #5 overall draft pick QB who is only in his second year and is getting better and showing promise and replace him with a QB who has at least some chance of facing criminal charges and a very good chance of being suspended by the NFL.  AND to give up a boatload of draft picks for the QB who may be going to jail and will most likely get suspended by the NFL at some point.  The Dolphins MAY have discussed this with the Texans but only within the context of their willingness to listen to an offer just in case the Texans gave up Watson at a fire sale price.  But if they ever had serious discussions with the Texans than they are by far the dumbest organization ever in any professional sport. 

To be fair, we just traded away the rights to pick up any of our Top 3 draft choices for a 2023 1st rounder likely in the 20's. So, we are really stupid.

Make no mistake that if Houston were to lower their trade demands, Watson would already be in Miami. That's a given. Give Houston credit, they have stuck by their guns and are willing to wait till someone meets their trade demands even if that means it's next year and sooner or later, someone is going to do it.

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Which is why I said in the very same post, "The Dolphins MAY have discussed this with the Texans but only within the context of their willingness to listen to an offer just in case the Texans gave up Watson at a fire sale price."    If it cost us a 2023 4th Round Pick, I'd make the trade too. 

LOL, valid point!

And I'm telling you that it wouldn't have taken a fire sale to get Watson here, all it would have taken was for Houston to lower the price from 3 #1 picks to 2 and he'd had have been on his way to Miami. Houston wouldn't budge.

And I'm telling you that both your comment and mine are purely conjecture on both of our parts.  LOL   It isn't as if this is a quantifiable comment from either of us.  It is just our opinions.  How can you state that as a fact?  Did you talk to Grier and he told you that he offered Houston two #1s and Houston said, "Nope, three #1s or the deal is off."?   

Yep, opinion for opinion.

All but official that Watson is staying with Houston, who will continue to sit him the whole year and try again next offseason. They think they will get their asking price after a whole year away from the league because they are stupid.

Welcome back, Dolfanalyst!

We missed your QB commentary over the last 4 years.  As I recall, last time you were here you were adamant that Ryan Tannehill was an unsalvageable bust.  Shortly thereafter, he was traded to TEN and immediately led the league in passer rating and ANY/A, while winning two playoff games and making the Pro Bowl.

So what's your opinion on Tua now?

My position was that Tannehill was average, not a bust.

There are a number of surrounding factors that helped Tannehill perform better than usual for roughly a season and a half with Tennessee.  If you've noticed, he's come crashing back to the average level this year because those surrounding factors are difficult for teams to sustain from year to year in the NFL.

Tua, who knows.  Not enough of a sample size to know either way at this point.  But he's certainly not lighting the world on fire.

Reports are coming out that Miami is not going to trade for Watson

No reason to for Texas. After the season Miami won't be their only suitors so the price will likely go up again. They can't use the picks before then anyway so might as well hold out unless Miami gives up the farm.

Gee what a surprise.  I don't understand why the Texans don't just play him, it really isn't going to hurt their season at this point.  If he fakes an injury or purposely plays like shit that hurts his chances.  Plus it puts Goodell in the media spotlight to get the suspension out of the way, and open up an easier trade route.

I don't think it's going to go up at all, they once again overplayed their hand. Now, Watson will be at least a year removed from being on the field and who knows what happens with his legal issues? I think they will wish they took 3 first rounders for him.

ESPN's Adam Schefter says that Miami was doing their due dilligence for Watson and Houston even gave Ross permission to speak to DeShaun last night. The problem was compensation, the Texans wanted a ransom for him and if they didn't get it when he was playing, they weren't getting anything close when he wasn't.

So, this puts to bed two things:

1) No Watson to Miami this season

and

2) We were absolutely trying to dump Tua and are a horrible franchise that needs new owners

And now Chris Grier confirmed it yesterday to the media that they were going after Watson. Didn't give too many details but he confirmed it.

Garbage franchise. I'm out for 2022 if they don't fire everyone, I'm not going to watch them start 1-7 again, fire them midseason in 2022 and say "whoopsie". Do it before the season starts or there is no season.

FOX's Jay Glazer reports the Dolphins were willing to trade three first-rounders and two second-rounders for Deshaun Watson on the condition that Watson settle the 22 unresolved sexual assault claims against him. 

You think that's bad? Glazer also reports that it was the Texans who got cold feet because they thought they could get more in the offseason once he settles his legal issues. I don't know who is more retarded, Miami for offering that much for a guy who won't make your team win 5 games a year or the Texans for thinking they could get infinite 1st rounders for the guy.

Relegate both teams to the Big 10. They don't belong in the NFL.

I don't believe a single word that comes out of the mouth of a reporter, but I agree with your assessment that both teams should be relegated to the Big 10. 

Glazer I believe, he is pretty well connected.

It's Watson who is refusing to play for Houston, not the other way around at least according to Watson but my understanding is that he's on the roster so they could certainly say he's going to start and force Watson's hand, not sure they want to do that.

He doesn't want to be there but the call to bench him is all Houston. If he refused to play, they would be able to not pay him but he showed up to camp and will play if asked.

He won't play until he is traded because if they played him and he got hurt, that's basically the death of any trade better than a 3rd rounder for him.