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That draft trade is going to haunt this franchise forever. I hated it then and with each passing day, it gets worse and worse. It boils down to we traded Ja'Marr Chase for Jaylen Waddle and a 2023 1st rounder. No one in their right mind makes that trade before the draft and certainly not now.

P.S. Kyle Pitts is killing it too.

I will go on record that I did not want Chase, took a year of CFB for the Copvid (and rightfully so, his decision) but I definitely wanted Pitts.  Come on, Dolphins Front Office!  The dude isn't "no TE", dude is a WR through and through.  Built like a truck and runs like a deer.

how the fock could they not see this?  i wanted a lot of SEC games and that FLA offense with him running routes and the hands on him!  Fock Chris Grier and the folks that giving him feedback on scouting

I went into the last draft wanting Miami to grab one of 3 players, Chase, Pitts or Penei Sewell.  No disrespect to Waddle, but I'd take any of those three in a heartbeat.

Yeah, we absolutely missed out on the Top 3 studs. I like Waddle, he is a very nice player and will be even better once/if we fix the O-Line and run game, but he is not on their legvel and that whole spin of "Waddle was the guy" is complete horseshit to cover up for the horrible trade we made. If we got Waddle with the 12th pick and kept the two 1st rounders then I can justify it but not the trades we made.

Me too Stroke. I  think that if Tua and Waddle weren't team mates in college Dolphins would have drafted one of these other three.

Can you image if we had picked Herbert and Chase? Don't get me wrong Tua and Waddle were not terrible choices, but I don't think they were the best choices.

Oh we're doing the hindsight thing today huh.  I'm completely fine with Waddle, I think he can be just as good as Pitts and Chase.  I would guarantee if bum Brissett wasn't starting those 4 games, Waddle would have similar stats to Chase right now.

Drafting Herbert over Tua is hindsight since taking Tua wa sthe 98% consensus. Drafting Waddle over Chase and Pitts was the 0% consensus, no one had that shit and for good reason. I like Waddle and think he can be a Pro Bowler, but Chase can be a Hall of Famer and everyone knew this.

Just counting down until the end of the season when Grier loses his job for his draft blunders.   A guy like him doesn't belong in any NFL front office.  He has proven it.

If he isn't fired after a 1-7 start(spoiler for Buffalo game), we shouldn't just assume he will be fired at the end of the season.

He isn't going anywhere. They are dumping Tua for a guy with 22 sexual assault cases in hopes he "might" be able to play.

That trade won't go through in time due to his legal issues but if there were none then he probably would be a Dolphin already despite Tua's progress and it wouldn't make us a 4 win team anyway because our defense is garbage.

To assess Waddle in comparison to Chase appropriately I think we have to wait until Waddle has played a larger percentage of his games without a third-round QB with two years as an inadequate starter in the league, whose average depth of target to Waddle was a mere 3.8 yards downfield.  With Tua for example that figure has been 9.1 yards.  Chase's figure in that regard is 15.2 yards, nearly five times greater than the figure generated by the QB Waddle has played nearly 60% of his games with as a pro.

I think it's a gross misrepresentation to say.  Chase is a rookie, just like Waddle.  Saying a rookie can already be a HoFer is a little much.  

One of the best things about Brissett is that we don't have a QB controversy with him as back up ... HAHAHA.

Had the Dolphins grabbed Sewell at 6 and Najee Harris at 18 (who is blowing up in Pittsburgh), this team might be looking much different offensively.

Gaskin is doing just fine when he does get the ball despite having no O-Line, he isn't the issue. The line and the 3 games with Jacoby are/were the issue. Also, a head coach who doesn't know who his best players are is also the issue.

The issue offensively in my opinion is three things:  1) the nearly four games with an inadequate QB, 2) the weak link of Austin Jackson on the offensive line -- research shows that one extremely poor player on the offensive line has more of an effect on the line as a whole than does the presence of very good players on the line, and 3) the unreliability of the receiving corps, i.e., Parker and Fuller's histories of unavailability, which is again the case for them this season.

Have Tua start the remaining games, remove Jackson from the offensive line, and have Parker and Fuller available and playing at their maximal levels and you have a totally different animal out there.  I don't think it'll parallel the league's best offenses, because Tua hasn't yet developed to that level (and may never), but it'd be worlds better than what was exhibited through the first six games.

Add Preston Williams to that list.

^^^ Yes. Everyone not named Waddle needs to be replaced and Gisicki needs a new contract.

100%. Our great WR depth was destroyed within 2 games. Parker when healthy can be very good but he is made of glass and needs to be the third option, not #1. Hopefully Hunter Long can amount to something so we have a two headed TE attack. Everyone else should be traded now for whatever we can get for them. That's not bitterness or overreacting, just common sense. Dumping Wilson for a 2029 7th rounder to a team ravaged by WR injuries is better than nothing if he isn't in our future plans.

I'd keep Hollins. I'd also probably put Laird back into the lineup and replace one of the other two starters not named Gaskin.

I like Brown, keep him. I'm not impressed with Ahmed.

You can't really fault Jacoby. He played as well as could be expected. Miami wasn't gonna win against Buffalo or TB and the 2 other games he played well enough to win those games, the problem is that he had zero help.

I agree.  Guys usually aren't backup QBs if they are superstars.  If there isn't a significant dropoff between your starting QB and your backup QB that probably means that your starter isn't very good. 

Historically there is no evidence that Jacoby Brissett is only "help" away from being an adequate QB.  He's now on his third team and has had multiple head coaches, offensive coordinators, and groups of surrounding players, including two years as a full-time starter, and he's never sustained an even average level of play in the league.  I'm certainly not saying he was surrounded by anything special in his starts with Miami this year, but in all likelihood even the best help wouldn't have propelled him above an average level of play.  He was a third-round pick for a reason, at a position where the best players in every draft are taken in the top five overall, very often by teams trading up to get them.

What does "historically" have to do with anything? I'm just looking at the way he played over the 2 games that Miami had a realistic chance of winning. He didn't play poorly, he played OK. Remember that he was strapped by the same offensive calling that hindered Tua in the 1st game of the season. It wasn't until the 4th quarter of the Indy game that Miami coaches FINALLY said "What have we got to lose, let him throw the ball downfield" and when they did that Brisset actually started looking pretty darn good. Brisset wasn't the problem in either of those games, it was the porous defense, the suspect play calling and the myriad of mental and physical mistakes that everyone around them has been making this whole season. It cost them both of those games and it cost them both of the last 2 games that Miami has lost where QB play has not been the main issue.

Bullshit, he had guys wide open down field and he continued to throw to the checkdown.  It was only after being behind and having to chuck in downfield did he change that.  Brissett is not okay, he's terrible, and has a bad attitude too.

Brissett didn't play significantly better or worse during that stretch of games than he has in the average four-game stretch in his career.  That's what "historically" has to do with it -- it indicates that across multiple sets of surroundings, including the ones this year, he's played in the same manner.  That means his performance is attributable to him.

The Dolphins averaged 15.5 points per game in the games he played.  When a mere 16 points can beat you on average, your offense is certainly a big part of the problem, and when you're using a historically inadequate quarterback who's playing no better than he usually does, certainly the finger should be pointed at him first off.

I'd tell you to go watch the game again, but I don't think that would do any good, I think you have already made up your mind. Brisset did not check the ball down much in that game, he was looking downfield the entire game. He did make 1 bad mistake which was a fumble in the 4th quarter when they were already down by 2 TD's and he was trying to do too much.

I'm sure glad we guaranteed Fuller $10,000,000.00 to play for us this year, what would we have done without those 26 yards he produced this season.  Another fine job by our front office; with moves like this I can see why X wanted a new contract.

I'm fine with that contract when we signed it. It was just a one year deal, he had a lot to prove so he was motivated and he was coming off a good season. I'm not expecting much when he returns, but he broke his finger thanks to a shitty Jacoby pass. I don't consider broken bones to be part of being injury prone.

He didn't even play with Tua yet, who knows? Maybe he kills it the final 10 games.

I watched the all 22, he had Waddle wide open multiple times downfield, not being pressured and he just missed him multiple times.