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In the first episode of his podcast, “‘It Needed To Be Said’ with Tyreek Hill”, he and Super Agent Drew Rosenhaus also stated that the Chiefs didn't get him the ball enough although he was 7th in the league in receptions. Tyreek brought up Tua's accuracy and said he'd rather have the ball in his hands on the run as it allows him to make big plays like in the Buffalo game.  He didn't say Tua was a better QB or has a stronger arm but I'm sure it could rub people the wrong way.

LOL ... I don't know about all these podcasts. Seems like trouble just waiting to happen to me.

Statistically he is more accurate than Mahomes.

He isn't the first guy to complement the QB of the new team at the expense of the QB of the old team.  He pretty much has to say this.  Compare, with the following potential quote, "Tua isn't a bad QB but he isn't as nearly as good as Mahomes."  That instantly makes him a cancer and causes animosity between himself and his QB and the entire coaching staff and team.   

In the same interview he said Mahomes had a bigger arm.

It's not even about him shitting on Mahomes; everyone knows Mahomes is the better QB in this league.  Tua himself would tell you that.  Hill simply pointed out one aspect that he thought Tua does better.  It's not that big of a deal.

Note: MIA does not play KC this year.

Tua's accuracy was his calling card coming out of college and has always been his primary strength.

Obviously however there is a wide gulf between simply having elite accuracy and playing the game in the "Michael Jordan" manner Patrick Mahomes does.

That's not to say it's impossible for Tua to ever develop his game to the degree that he plays in that manner, however.  If Tua's norm (around which there would be expected game-to-game variation) was the Arizona game from his rookie season, he'd be at Mahomes's level right now.  That's the kind of game he needs to shoot for.

I saw this being reported at I knew that at some point we'd be talking about it, but this seems like a non-story.

1) Facts-wise, it's probably true.  Tua is an accurate passer.  It doesn't mean he's a better overall player than Mahomes, but just in terms of pass accuracy, I don't think this is a scandalous statement.

2) Players that switch to new teams say good things about their new teammates.

I'm sure this will be made into bulletin-board material if we ever play the Chiefs, but this has no real-world meaning.

Chad Pennington was an accurate passer as well.   Weak armed QB's whose game is based on the short pass tend to have better accuracy measures.

True, but Tua was one of the most accurate passers on downfield throws in 2021. Problem was, he only attempted 48 of them due to various issues. His accuracy has always been his strong suit dating back to college. That's great because hitting Tyreek and Waddle in stride will lead to huge gains.

A good recent article on that:

https://www.nfl.com/news/next-gen-stats-top-10-nfl-deep-passers-of-2021-three-qbs-playing-for-new-teams-i

Was "various issues" the starting offensive line? and getting pummelled every time he dropped back for a deep route?

That and having no running game and only one WR.

it just seems like every time people trash Tuas deep throws they ignore the fact that he was playing behind a historically bad offensive line

There was nothing to trash about his deep throws, only complaint would be the small number of attempts but the reasoning for that is what I just listed. I still don't think we will be seeing many passes traveling 30 yards in the air, more like 15 yard passes in motion that Tua and Waddle take for another 10-15. Last year it was just 5 yards from scrimmage so that's an improvement.

"Accuracy" while playing in shorts at summer practices is one thing, doing it in a game in the fourth quarter needing a TD is another. 

I'm all for giving Tua this coming year to prove he is durable enough to make it through 17 games; and to show how good he is now that he has an all-star supporting cast on offense.  I really hope Miami doesn't have to use all of their draft picks next year to draft another QB.

Honestly I thought the accuracy thing was a given. Tua has always had the reputation of putting the ball on the money more times than not. The two things I got from this podcast is that active players shouldn't be doing podcasts and media will make a huge deal out of nothing. Thank goodness Mahomes and Andy Reid handled it well or this could have gotten much bigger.

They absolutely should not be doing podcasts. The media has very little to do in the offseason but they still need to write columns, so they will jump over everything you say.

Tyreek Hill says he recieved death threats after the comparison. What the hell is wrong with people?

With billions of people having the ability to send emails, it's not surprising death threats are sent. Highly doubt they are credible, just some complete loser who takes sports way too seriously sending an email with many misspelled words.

No I get that. I just mean how low IQ do you have to be to think this kind of thing is appropriate? It doesn't matter what side you are on there are tons of idiots doing this kind of thing. Should be a blanket punishment for making death threats where you automatically get 5 years in prison with no chance of passing go and getting out early.

I have friends in the legal profession.  They told me that the State of Florida passed a law making any written threat a second degree felony which is punishable by up to 15 years in prison.  This includes threats sent over electronic communications.

Your friends sound very knowledgeable and well-informed on this topic.

Maybe they've had a client before who was on one side or the other of one of these types of cases.

Considering one of them is a secretary in the State Attorney's office for Miami-Dade County, you would be correct on that assumption.

That being said, I really don't see the difference between telling someone to their face that you're gonna beat their ass and texting it to them.  A threat is a threat, regardless of how it's delivered, and it should be dealt with accordingly.

You can argue that a face to face threat could be "heat of the moment" where a written threat requires more thinking. Not saying that is true in every case, but it's an argument the defendant can make.

Didn't really know where to put this but I thought this was a shareable quote. Even after giving himself time to think about his whole career coach stood by his statement as he was being interviwed for the Dan Le Batard Show

"It's the most accurate, catchable ball I've ever seen." – Dolphins Head Coach Mike McDaniel on what he's seen so far from Tua Tagovailoa.

Remember, Tua's #1 praise all through college was accuracy. Even last year he had that ridiculous string of games with over 80% completions. Give him more time to throw and those accurate passes go from 6 yard slants to 20 yarders and more.

Well that's true of practically every NFL QB; more time equals more and longer completions.  The fact is that you have to deal with what you are given; whether that means scrambling for an extra second or two, stepping up into the pocket, or just having a clearer vision of the playing field.  Tua has to get it done this year, or else.

*IF* he can have the same accuracy at 20+ yards as he has at 6, then yeah, he will be a great QB.  But then again if *I* was just as accurate behind the three point line as *I* am at layups *I* would be an NBA star. 

He had very good accuracy on deep balls last year, but of course that was a very limited sample.