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I know most conservatives are for this but was curious how you guys feel? Just the fact China has threatened us for doing so makes me feel like we now have to go there. China is bullying us and already trying to take us over from within. We need to stand up to them in my opinion.

much ado about very little, the trip is consistent with current US/China/Taiwan relations.  AND Pelosi doesn’t set foreign policy, Biden or Blinken visiting would be significantly bigger news.

Once she lands I expect the usual group of the right wing to start pontificating that her visit undermined US relations. 

Undermined Joe's Chinese bank account you mean? I don't think the GOP is worried about relations with the country trying to take us over from the inside out.

China can suck it.  Taiwan should be free.  As for Pelosi going, it's probably not something that matters too big either way.

And right on cue the nonsense begins

I wouldn't be so sure about it being nonsense.

I'm not a fan of members of Congress acting like international diplomats; I felt the same way when Tulsi Gabbard went to meet Bashar al-Assad in Syria.  Leave the foreign relations to the State Department.

So now you're concerned about a president lining his pockets with foreign deals?  I'm sure Trump's many (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/23/forbes-estimates-china-paid-trump-at-least-54-million-since-he-took-office-via-mysterious-trump-tower-lease/?sh=6952b74fed11) deals (https://www.americanprogress.org/article/trumps-conflicts-interest-china/) in China (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/20/us/trump-taxes-china.html) are different though, because We Already Knew He Was A Businessman, so it's expected that he would use the Oval Office as a bargaining chip to sweeten cushy deals for his business.

I do agree with you on one thing, though... the GOP is definitely not worried about relations with China.  In the words of Dear Leader himself:

"Our relationship with China has now probably never, ever been better."

"One of the many great things about our just signed giant Trade Deal with China is that it will bring both the USA & China closer together in so many other ways. Terrific working with President Xi, a man who truly loves his country. Much more to come!"

"I think our relationship with China is very good. We just did a big trade deal. We’re starting on another trade deal with China — a very big one."

I think Forbes did a good job of summarizing (https://www.forbes.com/sites/williampesek/2021/01/18/chinas-xi-jinping-is-really-going-to-miss-donald-trump-despite-four-chaotic-years/?sh=292cf8a7426e) how easily China has manipulated the GOP.

Dude ... if they had just 25% of the evidence aginst Joe and his genius son on Trump and Jr. then they'd have been arrested long ago. As it is they keep trying to kill Trump in the the court of public opinion because they do not have anything else.

BTW ... kudos to Pelosi and everyone who went there anyway!

You might not have noticed all the evidence against Trump because Fox is running shows about Biden catching COVID instead.  They actually ran two prime-time shows with no commercials just to make sure none of their viewers were tempted to change the channel!  After all, there are some things that are more important than money.

And yet few people cared to watch as less than half the people who watch the state of the unions tuned in and I think we can agree most people don't care about that. It's kind of like the 38% of people who are still supporting Biden. They will always pretend things are going as well as they can and facts have nothing to do with it ... hahaha. No one who isn't registered a Democrat really cares. If we are being honest it's a dog and pony show from both sides. Most think Trump could have done better but honestly few people really care either way. Trump was a baby before and he will continue to be when it comes to getting his way.

So if the ratings were higher then you'd believe the evidence?

Perhaps "few people care either way" would be a bit more believable coming from someone who doesn't reflexively defend Trump at every opportunity.  Say what you want about me, at least I'm not trying to spin this "who even cares about politics bro" nonsense.

I notice that you have no comment to offer on Trump's glowing praise of China, or on his many business deals there while he was in office.  We didn't elect an angel-in-chief!

LOL ... I defend Trump because it is your and some of the other lefts life goal to bitch about the guy for every and anything hoping it will stick. He honestly doesn't come up very much in my everyday life. If I'm being honest ... I'm praying he doesn't run again. It doesn't mean he's the devil you want him to be but I think it would be best for all of us (outside of liberal media) if he didn't.

DeSantis 2024

Nikki Fried 2022

No chance

She's only one bender from being where the last Democratic option for governor is. It was only a few months ago when her and her husband, drunk and fighting in public, had the police called remove them from the Westin Resort. She's got issues.

I'm gonna vote for Fried over Crist in the primary.

I don't hate Crist, but I think he's an opportunist who doesn't have convictions that align with mine.  I also think he's full of shit about things he's flip-flopped on when he changed parties.
I think Fried is more the real deal for someone who aligns with my political preference.

Until this shit is worked out, I'm pretty much a single-issue voter for abortion rights.  Any candidate who is on the wrong side of that can fuck right off.

Isn't that what voting is about? Seems like most people who are die hard red or blue pick the issue most pressing to them and vote that way. Very few are going to align perfectly with any of us.

I guess in Florida voting doesn't even matter anymore when the Governor can just remove someone who was elected on a whim because they have different political views. 

No, I don't think so.

I mean, I'm not traditionally a single-issue voter.  Most issues I may have an opinion on, but there are gray areas about how much of an impact or how much political capital I think is worth putting towards something.

There are other issues where I have a preference, but it's not that big of a deal if I don't get my way.

But abortion is one that's just completely disqualifying for me.  I can see supporting a pro-life candidate in some deep red state where maybe I would get other things I wanted, but not now.  The issue is too much at the forefront.  If you aren't clearly pro-choice, you're disqualified.  And even if all of the choices are pro-choice, I'll probably pick the one I think is most likely to work on it.  But in the past, I've thought about things like electability and ability to work with the other side...things like that.


There are a few issues that are that prime importance right now:

#1 - The concept of democracy and voting.  Like, if this fails, we're done as a country.  It's over.  So, that's the most important thing.  If someone is going to throw out electors and stuff, I literally think they're traitors to the country.  Party aside, the concept of democratic elections are the most important thing.

#2 - Abortion, but that's just right now....because it's here in our face and we have to deal with it.


If there was someone who truly ran to get money out of politics and freely-finance elections and get rid of all of these PACs and special interests and lobbying.  Get rid of all of it.  I would be all over that person, but I don't think I've really seen a push for it other than lip service.  I think that this issue is tied into so many other things.

You mean suspended for not doing their job.

LOL ... so you think it's ok to be above the law as long as you vote Democrat. Why isn't that surprising?

I agree with you about Democracy but I don't think we see it the same way. I think media and politicians create fear to get votes. In the same way Republicans say Democrats want to take all of your guns I think Democrats say Republicans not only want to make all abortion illegal they want to make contraceptives illegal. LOL ... sure there are some who are goofy enough to thinkn that way but most do not. It's up to each state to decide how they want to live.

For all of Trump's crappy things he's said or done the one thing he really did do was expose the hypocrisy of  Washington insiders, media, and how money is what pushes all of them. There is no way in the world you can tell me that the Bushes, Clintons, Cheneys, Obamas AND the media are not part of the same inner circle regardless of their party affiliation.

I know we don't see eye to eye on Trump, but I honest-to-God think he's a threat to Democracy and the very existence of America.

His lies about the election and his ability to get people to follow him that are admitting, under oath, that they knew he was lying, is a major, major, major problem.  ....like, it's how countries fall -- type of problem.

Any politician who doesn't unequivocally say that Trump lost the election and also doesn't fully condemn his actions to overthrow the government is a traitor.  ....a literal traitor.

If you want to talk about the big political machine, sure -- I can agree with that.  Everyone is plugged in and they play by a different set of rules.

There are some simple things that need to happen.  Nobody in public office should be able to own stock in companies that isn't under a blind-trust, for starters.  It's crazy that we let people have a stake in something (coal, solar, sugar, ....ANYTHING) and then allow they to write policy for those industries.  Corruption at worst, but even in best cases, you're going to have insider trading and outside influences.

Money needs to get out of politics.  It's fucking everything up.

1) Money out of politics.
2) Ranked choice voting.
3) Codifying political norms into actual laws.

There's no reason not to do these -- none of them favor one political party or ideology over another.

When Republicans say Democrats want to take all of your guns, they are talking about random people on the Internet like Fau (no offense).
When Democrats say Republicans want to outlaw contraceptions, we are talking about a Supreme Court Justice (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/24/contraception-supreme-court-clarence-thomas-griswold/), Republicans in Congress (https://www.texastribune.org/2022/07/21/texas-congress-contraception/), and a Republican nominee for state Attorney General (https://michiganadvance.com/2022/02/20/gop-attorney-general-hopefuls-seek-to-overturn-landmark-contraception-law-push-for-election-audit/).

You're comparing the opinions of the far edge of the left to those of people holding office on the right.

I don't think that making contraceptives outright illegal is possible (but I've been wrong before), but I can definitely see certain kinds being made illegal.

And no doubt that if they had the power to make abortion illegal at a Federal level, they would do so.  No question.

I think we're gonna see this in Kansas, too.  Abortion was sounded supported in a very red state.  People want legal abortion, even Republicans.  But I don't think that you're going to see many ballot initiatives anymore after this and instead, they're going to try doing it through judges and state legislature

He is doing his job.  If the DA has an honest and sincere belief that a law is unconstitutional he is duty bound not to enforce the law.  Note: that is different than just personally disagrees with the law, but actually believes the law is unconstitutional.  In this case the law probably violates the Florida state constitution.  Maybe the Florida supreme court will rule that it is Constitutional, but until then it would be a gross violation of his ethical duties to willfully do something he believes would be a violation of a citizen's constitutional rights. 

Why hasn't Desantos removed Sherriff Dennis Lemma?

Please do tell

https://gunpowdermagazine.com/florida-sheriff-says-he-wont-enforce-proposed-weapons-registration-law/

Did this law pass?  I don't really care about hypotheticals.

We have state attorneys in Florida not district attorneys.  The person in question is Andrew Warren the State Attorney of the 13th Judicial Circuit.  If you're going to use Florida's constitution as an example, the Governor has the authority to suspend a state officer under Article IV, Section 7 of the Constitution of the State of Florida.  When a State Attorney refuses to enforce the laws of a State, they are not doing their job.  You can disagree with the politics of it all you want, but that's how it is.  Now if you want to point to specific portions of Florida's constitution that supports what you are saying, then by all means quote it.  But to say "In this case the law probably violates the Florida state constitution." well you're just grasping at straws.

What law did Andrew Warren not enforce?  He is being punished for what he said.  Last I checked that is protected by the 1st amendment.  Republicans have been screaming about a stolen election that wasn't stolen.  DeSantos is stealing the election of the people of Hillsborough.  The people of Hillsborough choose who their state atty is not the Governor.  And Desantos didn't just remove Warren and turn over the office to the deputy state atty, he appointed a political lacky from outside the department. 

Dodging the question as usual.  I'm not going to waste my time on you providing examples when I know you don't argue in good faith to begin with.  You can look them up if you want.

Bullshit.  You can't give an example because none exist.

I call bullshit on your bullshit when all you do is post threads to cause maximum subversion.  He refused to do his job and he was suspended.  It's easy to look up why, I'm not doing it for you. 

While Roe was still the law of the land he signed a letter stating it would be a waste of prosecutoral resources to prosecute doctors for making healthcare decisions with their patients.  He was also fired for opposing anti-transgender proposal that has not actually become law.
Even if you think that it is grounds to fire a state atty for failing to prosecute these types of cases it was grossly premature.  And even then the appropriate response would be for his political opponent to challenge him on it during the next election.

You can’t give an example because none exist.

He suspended him he didn't fire him.  Saying he was fired, calling him a district attorney...read this, you seem to be pretty misinformed on the whole issue.

https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-suspends-state-attorney-andrew-warren (https://www.fox13news.com/news/florida-suspends-state-attorney-andrew-warren)

Fired/Suspended meaningless distinction in this case.  And DA, state attorney and county prosecutor all basically mean the same thing.  I am not going to discuss pointless semantics. 

FACT:  Andrew Warren not once, but twice by the people who he serves.

FACT:  He voiced an opinion that Führer  Governor of Florida disagreed with.

FACT:  There has not been a single case of him "not doing his job" because there hasn't been a single referral that he supposedly is refusing to prosecute. 

This is Desantos abusing his power in an attempt to silence a political opponent and play to  ultramaga base. 

He signed a public pledge to NOT do his job. In any business that is insubordination at minimum. Obviously this will go to court so it will be interesting to see how it works out.

Insubordination?  To whom?  Desantos?  He doesn't work for Desantos. 

The people of Florida. I guess you think he should be able to do what he wants since he is a Democrat.

The people of Florida hired him in 2016 and decided he was doing a good enough job to keep doing it in 2020.  If the people who hired him an opportunity in 2024 to re-hire him or fire him.  That is how democracy works.  If someone runs against him on the issue that he isn't doing enough to crack down on the imaginary claims Destanis made, then fine, that can be the campaign issue, but he shouldn't be removed by an authoritarian for holding opposing political views.   

Again, he wasn't fired he was suspended. 

Under the state constitution, DeSantis has the authority to suspend state officials "for reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony," according to the news release from the governor's office.

It's up to the Florida Senate to fire him.  Details are important, even if you don't think so.  Like I said, you should be more informed before commenting.

Okay let's narrow this down.  Which of these do you believe he did....

1. misfeasance,

2.malfeasance,

3. neglect of duty,

4. drunkenness,

5. incompetence, 

6. permanent inability to perform official duties, or

7.  commission of a felony

And what did he do that meets said definition.  Not that he might do one of these 7 things at some point in the future.   Which of these 7 has he already done.