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Title: Can snow be exported?
Post by: dolphins4life on November 17, 2022, 09:21:08 pm
Just curious

Could we export the snow Buffalo gets this weekend to drought-stricken countries?

Or could we put in the Mississippi River to help replenish it?


Title: Re: Can snow be exported?
Post by: fyo on November 18, 2022, 08:08:29 pm
No.

First off,  let's dispel the notion of transporting snow. Snow is basically water with packing peanuts, making it take up 10x the amount of space. Snow also has an annoying habit of undergoing phase change, going from solid to liquid.

Fortunately, water is much easier to deal with, especially over significant distances, since it can be pumped and piped.

So can we pipe water to drought-stricken areas of the country? Yes, in theory, but there are two pretty much insurmountable problems: No one wants to let go of their water. And it's simply way too expensive.

Pipelines connecting the Mississippi River (now drought-strikken itself) and the Colorado have been trying to get off the ground for over a decade. The cost was originally estimated in the few tens of billions for even a small pipeline. Estimates of reasonably sized pipelines today are more like a 100 billion.

That's simply too much money for something our society is built on being essentially free. Sure, you pay money for water (average residential price of water in the US is about  $6 per thousand gallons), but much of that is infrastructure and disposal, which would need to happen anyway.

Large-scale users of water (like farmers) pay something like a tenth of what you do and they consume *much* more water than you do (80% of California's water consumption is agriculture). To keep prices at that level, the water itself needs to be essentially free and that isn't happening if you need to pipe it half way across the country.


Title: Re: Can snow be exported?
Post by: Spider-Dan on November 19, 2022, 03:24:02 pm
The Great Lakes are the largest freshwater resource in the world.
If we wanted to ship water around the country with no regard to cost, we would do it from there.


Title: Re: Can snow be exported?
Post by: Phishfan on November 19, 2022, 06:36:33 pm
I really didn't expect a response.


Title: Re: Can snow be exported?
Post by: Sunstroke on November 21, 2022, 12:45:52 pm


Yes, you can export snow, and for a limited time only, you can also purchase wind for 50% off.

Act now, before supplies run out!!



Title: Re: Can snow be exported?
Post by: Dave Gray on November 21, 2022, 02:19:54 pm
I sometimes watch survival style reality shows, like Alone or Naked and Afraid.  On those shows, it often comes up that melting snow for water is not all that efficient.  Sure, do it, because it's passive, but snow is only about 10% water, so you have to melt a whole lot of it to get much worthwhile.


Title: Re: Can snow be exported?
Post by: Fau Teixeira on November 21, 2022, 04:02:36 pm
have you watched survivorman ? i like that one the most for the genre


Title: Re: Can snow be exported?
Post by: Dave Gray on November 21, 2022, 04:34:42 pm
have you watched survivorman ? i like that one the most for the genre

I have seen Survivorman many times, but it is not my favorite. 



The best of one these I saw was Alone: Season 9.

The premise was that if you can live alone in the arctic for 100 days, you win a million bucks.