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They don't know when the incident occurred and no one noticed anything during the game.  His status Sunday is uncertain.

This seems.......suspicious.

I did not see the game but seen the hit with his head slamming off the ground. Did he show any signs?

here's the video in question

https://twitter.com/SelfMade0602/status/1607133176723566595 (https://twitter.com/SelfMade0602/status/1607133176723566595)

This play occurred right before Mostert turned the ball over on the next play.  Tua popped up from the hit and took the snap where Mostert fumbled.  Very telling this was right before half and then looked really, really bad in the 2nd half.

Again, he got busted up in the Bills game, got slammed to the ground in the Cincy game, and now this.  These do take a toll on the brain.  Damn, such a shame

He could retire

Then we can trade everybody else and start another rebuild and nobody gets let down again

Why is the staff not addressing this properly? This actually does explain a lot the night and day differences between the first and second halves.

The first two weeks of the road trip bad games the Buffalo one pretty good all things considered and it looked like he was back to form before the collapse. If he had the brain scramblies the whole time it makes some sense but the dude maybe should not wager his future on this. His in his 20s and there is more to life than football.

Well that's one way to bench a player.  lol

I hope Skylar Thompson performs better than his prior outing.  Hopefully they won't try to put Bridgewater out there because he's not going to win any games for Miami.  If they want the playoffs they should try and talk Fitzmagic out of retirement.

Tua may not last another two years in this league.  In fact, he may retire after this season

This would be a good idea because a Patriots loss knocks them out of the playoffs.  Fitzmagic has sabotaged two seasons for the Patriots in the past: 2015 and 2019.     

If he wasn't showing any signs of problems, what can they do? Can't check on him every 5 minutes just to be safe. It's up to Tua to say something is wrong if he isn't showing any obvious signs of a concussion. Other than his shitty play, which I think now is caused by his concussion, there were no signs.

I hope Tua didn't hide this one too, because that is a major problem. Either way, I think he should be done for the year just to play it safe and maybe to punish him too if he did in fact hide this concussion.

I think it's a bit "easy" to blame 3 picks on a concussion. Just like it was a bit "easy" to blame 3 losses on Tua not being the QB. 1 doesn't necessarily cause the other.

It's time for all of us to take the focus off Tua and start looking at the rest of the team. Where's the defense been? Where will they be for the next 2 games when we need them? Will they step up? Time for X to show that's he's a pro bowler. Time for the pass rush to step up their game. Basically it's time for the team to grow a pair. Let's see if they can.

The defense played well very well against the Packers. We had three turnovers and shit special teams yet were still in position to win the game with 2 minutes to go.

If anything Tua has shown that he has durability issues. Considering we mortgaged everything to get better for this year he will still be our QB for at least another year unless he retires. If for some reason he can get healthy and stay healthy during that time then we can reconsider but we do need to start looking elsewhere and Lamar Jackson ain't it ... as several people keep saying around the web. First and foremost we don't have the money as Wilkins is going to break the bank and secondly if we took on Lamar then Hill and Waddle would be useless. Lamar's number one receiver asked to be traded because with Lamar you are always a run first team.

I beg to differ, they did not play very well against the Packers. Average at best. The reason that Miami was in position to win the game with 2 minutes to go was because the offense had been very good in the 1st half scoring 20 points on 6 drives. It would have taken another TD drive in the final 2 minutes to win the game.

They played well enough to force field goals that much is true. Miami forced 1 punt the entire game, although GB did try a fake punt that Miami covered really well. Miami did pretty well stopping GB on 3rd down only giving up 2 conversions on 14 attempts, but here's the problem, GB was 3-5 on 4th down, so taking away that bad fake punt GB was 3-4 on 4th down which turned those 2 conversions into 5 conversions. GB had 9 drives not counting the last drive after the game was already over and the 1st drive where the kick was returned 90 yards. Of those 9 drives they scored on 5 of them, 3 FG's and 2 TD's. Yeah, they had a short field on one of those because of a Miami turnover, but even considering that giving up points on 4 of 8 drives, 2 FG's and 2 TD's is not good defense. That's average defense at best. Good enough to win a game certainly, but not good enough in this game.

I've re-analyzed the situation and I have to change my mind and blame the medical staff now. To our untrained eyes, he didn't have a concussion, but they are trained. They know Tua has a history of concussions, banged his head and started to play shitty. They should've known something was wrong. He didn't get a concussion between the game ending and Monday morning, he was concussed during the game.

Now, at the minimum, he is done for the year and who knows what else? The NFLPA and NFL are investigating us now and while I don't think they will find anything negligent, they cost us a game against the Jets earlier this year with their fake Bridgewater concussion nonsense. What will the penalty be this time?

No one had a clue he was hurt until he self-reported symptoms.

Tua did not have a concussion against SF or LAC.  He just didn't play as well.  You cannot use a bad game as "evidence" for head injury.

That's kind of my point. Why didn't the medical staff have a clue he was hurt after that hit? You and I wouldn't know, we're not trained professionals and can only see what the TV shows us. They are right there with him and know his history and saw his head just bang off the field. Did they even check him? If so, how did he pass the concussion tests if he did in fact have a concussion?

They aren't taking players out of the game any time their helmet hits the ground, especially if they don't have outward symptoms.
You are essentially asking for the week 5 Teddy debacle to be standard practice in the league.  It's just not gonna happen.

I wouldn't want them to take Tua out of the game, but I would want them to at least check in on the guy to make sure he is okay. Of course, if just checking on him makes him disqualified from staying in the game due to new NFL rules, then that complicates things a lot more.

Actually he didn't self report symptoms, McDaniels said that while reviewing the game on Monday that he didn't like some of the responses he was getting from Tua about plays and such and then asked him how he was feeling and then finally Tua admitted to the symptoms of concussion. That 2nd INT where after the game Tua said he may have called the wrong play is very telling now. He was confused at that point in the game with the play calling. Both of the last 2 INT's were both like WTF? The first INT just seemed to be an overthrow, the last 2 were definitely really bad reads and he shouldn't have been in the game.

Tua needs to grow up. If he's confused in there he needs to take himself out of the game and get checked out. He's not helping us if he's not at 100%. This has been a very bad pattern of trying to take on too much himself. He's not super human. He needs to realize this and remove himself from the game when he's injured for the betterment of the team.

And that's not just about concussions, it's about plays in general. He doesn't know when to give up on plays either. There was another throw that was almost picked off where he sort of tried to back hand the throw to a running back while he was being tackled. These are BAD plays that he needs to learn how to avoid. Just go down. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. He's been lucky 4 or 5 times this year with that type of just throw it up and hope something good happens and nothing ever good does happen.

You are 100% right about this. Tua has some emotional issues in that he always had coaches who were hard on him and Flores flat out hated him and wanted him gone. So, he very much wants to prove to everyone he is the best and that's great, but that is what leads him to refusing to take the small losses like "The play is dead, throw it away" or "You're hurt, go tell the Doctors". In almost every case, what he does makes things much worse and it costs him and the team.

I think the offseason can't come soon enough. He needs to have a lot of time off and have these issues addressed by the coaching staff and maybe even a therapist. He didn't learn from his first major concussion and that is alarming to me. Forget about throwing away what could be a Hall of Fame career, the guy might develop early onset dementia with more concussions. No one wants him to retire at 27.

Tua says all the right stuff in interviews, but it doesn't carry over into the game. He gets into the game and his whole mindset changes and suddenly he's trying to carry the team. A more mature QB would realize that he's just a piece of the puzzle. Yeah, he's a big piece, but he's not the only piece and because he's a big piece he needs to be the smartest piece on the field, not the dumbest.

Tua was absent from team meetings today. I know that he won't be playing Sunday, but he probably still would've been to the team meeting unless he was in bad shape or Coach told him that his season is over already.

Like I said earlier, he’s under too much pressure.  He feels he has to get a touchdown every drive

League and NFLPA has ruled that the team did nothing wrong in regards to Tua. He did not show any concussion symptoms and Tua did not report any.

I still say Tua hid this from the team doctors but it's good that the team didn't act maliciously in letting him play.

Spoken like a guy who has never had a concussion. Depending on the severity of the concussion it may just be a brain fog like disorder. I come from a day when they gave us smelling salts, made fun of us, and then sent us back in the game. As a result I used to develop similar side affects from jumping on trampolines or even riding roller coasters. No one else knows unless you tell them. Btw … I no longer do those kind of activities as it takes me a week to recover.

Coach said he got worried when Tua couldn’t remember aspects of his game the previous day as they watched film … which sounds very similar.

You mean like HoF QBs or other franchise QBs who played through pain and risked further injuries? This game has been built up on the warrior or tough mentality that you play through the.pain. Fans have reversed "tuff" players for decades. Tua is just following well established precedence.

I've had 2 concussions before. I just don't take Tua's word for it anymore based on what he has done this season. Tries to win the Superbowl on every play and it has cost him dearly.

And yet somehow I would actually appreciate Tua more if he did the smart thing and didn't let ego or just following established precedence rule him. It's no secret that I never wanted Tua on the Dolphins but now that he's the best QB we got, I'd actually like to see him be able to play for a few years. Sadly, I don't think it will happen. This is one of the reasons why I didn't want Miami to take him.

He does try to do too much but you have to admit ... the guy gets more criticism than any player we've ever had. It' so bad that when news is slow questioning Tua become a national story on ESPN shows. It's crazy. It seem like he is always trying to quiet the haters and it gets him inot trouble ... not unlike a lot of other QBs trying to make it along the way.

Oh, 100%. We went from "Tank for Tua" to the injury that had Burrow replacing him as #1. Then 2 years of Flores trying to bury him to this year with 2 concussions and MVP level play. Non stop news stories for the media to grab onto. It won't stop until he wins MVP and Superbowl MVP in the same season.

+1

I went back and watched the whole Packers game (being the Dolphins supporting masochist that I am), and to be honest it's hard to pinpoint where it came from.

Tua took a lot of hits all game long. and while that was the obvious biggest shot, he still threw some stunningly good passes after that - even after the first INT (which itself was wildly inaccurate). It was really the second and third INTs when there was a sense that something was really off - he was throwing the exact opposite to where the receivers (Mostert, Gieseke) were breaking to, and everyone had this stunned "WTF just happened?" look on their faces.

As you mentioned, maybe it's cumulative - a build up of all the hits from this game and the one before against the Bills?

Tua Tagovailoa 'very thankful' how Dolphins handled his concussions: They were 'protecting me from myself'

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoa-very-thankful-how-dolphins-handled-his-concussions-they-were-protecting-me-from-myself/

This is not exactly encouraging in my humble opinion. This sounds a lot like a maturity issue. I don't see Tua as that mature of an athlete. He lets his desire to play, make big plays etc get in the way of doing the smart thing too often. He has big play potential, but you have to be smart too and I don't see that. He plays too much by the seat of his pants. I'd actually like to see him become more of a student of the game and grow into the role. There's more to being the QB than making big throws. He hasn't seemed to grasp that yet in my opinion.

I know it wasn't your intention but you made me laugh. Just like Mahomes and his "sprained ankle" against Jacksonville ... most NFL players would choose to play over their health. That doesn't have any relevenace to their other descision making ability.

Tua is also taking Jiu Jitsu to help him learn how to fall in an attempt to mitigate injury. It's a good skill to have but learning to give up on plays is what will save him in the long run, not learning the best way to position your arms for when Joey Bosa German Suplexes you on your head because you didn't want to throw the ball away.

I think it does. I think Brady has shown us all that just as important as making big plays is the ability to avoid bad plays. Brady does this better than anyone and in my opinion is one of the reasons he's considered the goat. He plays within himself and within the design while still making big plays better than anyone. I didn't fully appreciate that about his game earlier in his career. D4L calls him lucky, it's not that. It's that he doesn't let the game get away from him ever. No matter what he stays the course and more often than not has a chance to win the game in the end. He does this better than anyone. Most guys panic or press too hard and try to force things. There's a lot of young guys that do this and get themselves into trouble.

You can give up all you want but if you are going to make plays you eventually are going to get hit. Brady got hit a lot over the years. The more he got hit in agem the less likely he won but he got hit even when things were going well.

It's not just about getting hit, it's also about understanding your limitations. Yes, you are going to get hit regardless, but don't take hits needlessly. If the play breaks down get rid of the ball, don't be running around with it and don't be trying to throw it while falling backwards etc. If you can't step into the throw than just throw it away or get down or get out of bounds. Things like that. There's a fine line between being a hero and being smart. Guys like Tua need to be smart, because they aren't physically gifted enough to be the hero. He's not Patrick Mahomes as much as he'd like to be. Mahomes is on a whole different level at the QB position when it comes to improvisation. He can get away with it. I haven't seen Tua be able to do that yet. Whenever he tries to make something happen it ends up either badly or almost badly.

^ I hate Brady, but getting rid of the ball when the play wasn't there was an absolute strong point of his game.

Lol ...I understand the concept of getting rid of the ball but we are speaking directly about Tua. None of his concussions came from him for holding onto the ball. One was a routine push at the end of the play and the other was him running and enduring a routine tackle from behind. 

I don't think this is fair.  On Tua's injuries, it wasn't like he was holding the ball when he shouldn't.  He got rid of it and then got shoved in a normal way that happens to all QBs.

There is a significant difference between playing with a sprained ankle and playing with a concussion. 

Says you. To people with a competitive spirit it's just an injury to suck up and move on. How many NFL QBs have admitted to playing with their bell rung? Hell ... I'm pretty sure it's still going on in high school and Pop Warner.

None of my comments have anything whatsoever to do with Tua's concussions. It has to do with his playing. He frequently tries to make something out of nothing when it would be better for him to just concede that play and move on to the next. I'm not talking about his 2 concussions, I'm talking about dozens of other plays where he didn't get concussed.