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Joe Burrow is money once again and I can't help but think about what could have been. Dumping Josh Rosen after a few games and playing Fitzpatrick to win a few useless games cost us that first pick. Arggggg!!!!

Yep, Flores and freakin Fitzy. I hate them both.

Fitz did nothing wrong, it's not up to the players to tank on the field. Flores was to coach for future success and see if we had something in Rosen and he couldn't do it. Sacrificing the future for meaningless wins.

Thank God the Lions made a Jordanesque mistake in drafting that Cornerback who might not even his 5th year option picked up.

Sorry, but I'm glad he beat New England week 17 and cost them the first round bye.

Didn't matter at that point, beating Cincy is what doomed us.

It was cool that it helped end the pats dynasty but I’d rather have Joe Burrow.

You make a HUGEEE assumption that Miami would have been smart enough to draft Joe Burrow, they probably still would have drafted Tua only it would have cost them more money in compensation.

Normally I would agree but they even tried to trade up to get him so he was on their radar. 

Yeah, they 100% would've went for Burrow. Cincy wasn't giving up that pick for anything less than 5 1st rounders, one of them being in the same draft so they could've taken Tua or Herbert.

Burrow doesn't play defense.

Hard to say if things would be better.

Remember Ryan Tannehill?

First off, yes I think Flores screwed us, and yes I would have picked Burrow over Tua (and still would given the opportunity). However, as D4L has mentioned it would take more than just Burrow to make the big jump up the AFC queue.

Last Sunday Burrow had an offensive line that absolutely bulldozed and abused Buffalo, and he would not have anything like that playing here. He also would not have had two A grade wide receivers to target until this last season too.

That's where you can't rewrite history to say Burrow would be the sole difference to where we could be versus where we are. The same goes for the old equally flawed argument that "we should have picked Matt Ryan over Jake Long". If you want a pick that really sent our franchise backwards, it's the Ireland move up the draft to pick Dion Jordan instead of Lane Johnson - if he did the latter we would have had the tackle position locked down with a stud Pro Bowl/All Pro quality player the last 10 years.

Ps. Should this thread be in the Anti-Phins chat?

Well, on the bright side: this season, Miami was able to sign the #1 overall pick that draft, Eric Fisher!

I guess I just have a different opinion of others on here, in that I want a Coach to go out and coach to win every game.  Maybe the lone exception would be that if you lost your last game it would mean that you would have a better seeding where you would play a weaker team in the playoffs.  Draft picks are never a guaranteed thing, there have been plenty of #1 picks that turned out to be busts, and later picks that have turned into allstars.  IMO it's more important to have a winning culture.

I don't think anyone wnated him to coach the games to try to lose, but starting a 38 year old over a 2nd year QB who you just traded a 2nd and 4th rounder is not in the long term best interests of the team. It was the wrong call then and hindsight has shown it to be even worse. Start Rosen for 10 games and if he is the worst ever? Replace him. Josh got 6 quarters before he was booted with similar stats to Fitzpatrick at the time.

Not being "in the building" we can't know even close to everything about Josh Rosen.  But he was given a full chance with Arizona; and after he left Miami he's been on 5 different teams, mostly as a practice squad player.  So I think Flores made the right decision in not playing him any further.

^^^ I don't think anyone cared about what was going on "in the building" as Flores contended Ross wanted him to lose games and most people know exactly what that means in that situation. It's done in every sport every single year.

Well, I’d put nothing past the fins but I do believe they get Burrow. It was pretty consensus.

I still say had that year not been twisted by COVID we would have went with Herbert. We just weren’t able to properly evaluate players that year I think if it’s normal we get Herb.

Flores was right in wanting him but it doesn’t justify his sabotaging of Tua..and he should have just played Rosen all year and we get Burrow.

There would have been a riot from the fanbase if, after two years of Tank For Tua, some meaningless wins push the Dolphins out of the #1 pick, Tua falls to the Dolphins in a fluke anyway, and the Dolphins pass on him.  Grier would already be on the street today.

Tua's performance over the last year should make it even more clear that Flores was quite capable of tanking a very good QB.  You think you have QB envy now?  Imagine Tua on the Chargers leading the league in passer rating with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, and Austin Ekeler while Justin Herbert is throwing passes to Lynn Bowden, Durham Smythe, Isaiah Ford, and Patrick Laird.

Yeah I mean that’s fair man and I think if Tua can stay healthy he can be the better player. That’s a huge if thought and Herbert is a damn good QB and more “prototypical”. Of course as you say..he would have had a lot less talent here and maybe Flores pulls him out of games and delays his development.

Who knows, but I still wish we had Burrow.