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Looks like we got who most people wanted us to get. For all who are familiar with Fangio, what does this transform our defense into as far as schemes and formations?

 

Great hire. Stay reasonably healthy and this is now a Top 10 defense with a Top 5 ceiling.

Really good news and a good way to start the offseason

Odd timing for an announcement, isn't he in SF at the moment?

Not for long

I don't think it's the same guy.

This is the former Broncos head coach.  I looked on Wikipedia and he was a consultant for the Eagles in 2022, but not in an official capacity.

Think you are correct

https://www.nfl.com/_amp/former-broncos-head-coach-vic-fangio-open-to-return-probably-as-a-coordinator

Now if we could just fire the owner and get a good one...  >:D

Someone peosted a pic of him at Cracker Barrel in Davie yesterday morning so he was in town. The wierd thing to me as of like 4:00 pm yesterday PFT was saying he hasn't fianlized the deal and was still open for other teams. I haven't seen anything contradicting that since then so I won't be happy until the press conference. 

NFL Network is saying it, so I would believe them over anyone else. Plus, no contradictory reports have come out. Looks to be a sure thing.

Still reports that Fangio is awaiting to see what happens in San Fran and has not signed with the Dolphins. Hoch and Crowder are talking about Michael Silver's Tweet today that Fangio told him late last night "Nothing has been decided on my end" as far signing with the Dolphins.

This is a pretty major story, you would expect to see more people come out and say it's not a done deal yet if it weren't. Then again, these beat writers are saying directly that they spoke with Fangino and it's not a done deal. Not sources or rumors, but a direct quote from the man himself.

It would be a big blow for us if we weren't able to close this deal but I think out of respect for the Niners he will listen to their pitch now that they're out of the playoffs.

NFL the TV Show. NFL the soap opera.

I hope Miami lands the guy because he can help MCD and build a good defense and if you need a coach to step in if McD doesn’t cut it in a few years, you got a guy.

Idk what is going on. Some people thought he was in SF and now he is interviewing for them so who knows.

NFL.com reported him to Miami so I think that’s correct as of now.

It's good to see Ross has finally got out the cheque book to find an experienced, highly rated assistant for this team...

Will it work as well as everyone thinks? I hope so, I really do - and on first look he should be a good fit (as long as the players adjust to his schemes). But sometimes what seems to be in ideal scenario just doesn't work in real life.

Next year is the 30th anniversary of the season that Buddy Ryan was appointed as Defensive Coach of the Houston Oilers, and I don't want that history repeating here.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6tao61

Now I am not pessimistically saying this is going to happen, but this place is called "The Dolphins Make Me Cry" for a reason - and Ross has a long history of paying out for some pretty bad coaching/administration hires. Fingers crossed this is a good appointment (and considering Fangio's character and history, it should be).

Tick-tock, Tick-tock, Tick-tock, Tick-tock. It would be such a Dolphins thing to make an announcement too early and then not get their guy.

The team didn't make an announcement, NFL Network did and then some Dolphins beat writers confirmed it but that appears to not be the case. To me, seems like the usual media tactic of someone reputable saying something and everyone else lying and saying that "they heard the same thing" to pile on.

Right now, I think it's 50-50. Current Niners DC looks to be the next Texans HC leaving a vacancy. Vic seems to have waited for that, question is did he wait out of respect or because he really wants that job and is using the Miami offer to get paid more? Both jobs are attractive so it's a tossup at this point.

I just hope we don't miss out on his protege in Seattle if he does decide to go to San Fran.

Weak. And not how I wanted to start the off-season. I doubt we get him at all.

That's my biggest concern. I hate to think by waiting for #1 we miss out on whoever is our #2 or even worse.

FWIW, Barry Jackson said on Twitter that over the weekend Vic Fangio told Miami that he will take the job. So, I can only assume the reason he hasn't yet is because the Niners called him and said they would have an opening soon. His girlfriend is an eye surgeon in San Fran, so he has ties to that area. Of course, Ross would build an eye center just for her to run if need be, so this sounds more emotional than anything.

After hearing this, I'm down to 25% he takes the job. Never a good thing when you give someone your word and then back out, very rarely do you come back to it. Plus, just a scummy thing to do, especially to a guy like McDaniel who he also has some ties to.

Glimmer of hope. The Niners requested an interview with former Panthers interim HC Steve Wilks for their DC position. Technically, that position isn't open yet but I guess this means their current guy is going to be the Texans HC.

I don't know if this is genuine interest in the guy or just a Rooney Rule thing they have to do. I'm hoping it's genuine as that could mean Vic told them no but we should know by the end of this week.

Fangio isn't a minority so it's most likely just a bogus mirage.

I thought so too but now the Niners have just requested to interview Titans DB Coach Chris Harris, who is also black. So, at the very least they must have legit interest in one of them aside from Fangio. Of course, it seems like Fangio will still interview but why not take a great gig in Miami if you don't have the job already in San Fran? Seems almost insulting to have a guy of his caliber even interview.

At this point we are his bitch. Not sure that's the way you want to start a relationship with an assistant coach but we are talking about the Dolphins.

Yeah.. I wanted the dude but this is pretty stupid so maybe we should just go with the #2

Why are the dolphins like this

Fangio is now negotiating with Denver after they signed Payton.

Just pull the offer then. He said he wanted the job and would be the highest paid coordinator in the game. Then, he took back his word and wanted to wait on what the Niners did and now he wants to go back to the team that fired him as Head Coach just to be a coordinator? That's the type of person who watches men have sex with his wife. Get him away from us and hire the guy from Seattle.

Lmao EDGE that’s hilarious

Holy fock those last 2 sentences are hilarious (and probably true)

^ Well, that took a turn.

Ugh.  I hate that this is happening, but you just can't do business like this.

If you accept an offer, you should take the offer (in general).  There are special circumstances, sure, and you gotta do what's best for you, though.  However, once you back out of an offer, I don't think it's good for either party to continue to negotiate to get you to keep the offer.

Exactly. This is a grown man who has been around the league for decades. You give a team your word, that should be as good as gold. If he is having second thoughts about the Miami job, he should tell us he will not be taking it. You can't say you are having second thoughts and then go interview with other teams, especially much lesser jobs like the Denver one.

This is all very likely personal because his girlfriend live sin San Francisco and doesn't want to leave, which is totally understandable but don't give a team your word without 100% certainty.

Do we know that he did?

Several people reported that he accepted the offer, so either 1 guy said it and the others jumped on it or Miami is the one who leaked it to different reporters. Few Miami beat writers said so as well so I tend to believe it to be true.

Joe Rose is funny about not sharing inside info but he did say he spoke with several people and the Dolphins came out of the meeting thinking it was a done deal. He doesn't know if the agent and Fangio were not quite on the same page but the Dolphins didn't know he was waiting to decide.

Like I said before ... time to move on before you lose out on the next guy too.

Pro Football Network reports that multiple sources have said Fangio becomes Dolphins DC sooner rather than later. Adam Beasley retweeted this, he is a beat writer for Miami.

Seems like every reporter is syaing he will sign with Miami and all logical sense says he will sign elsewhere. Sean Payton very likely told him to not sign because the Broncos deal was about to be completed.

That is assuming he actually accepted an offer.  Fangio never said he accepted an offer nor has the Dolphins.  I am chalking this up to the reporter wanting to be first and not confirming a rumor. 

Joe Rose said the Dolphins felt it was a done deal so I don't disagree that official Dolphin reps confirmed the report.  Apparently Fangio and his agent were not on the same page or he had a change of heart. Either way ... the Dolphins thought it was a done deal.

Yeah, I think the breakdown is between Fangio and his agent. It's a simple thing, do you want the job or not? If Miami negotiated with the agent and he then accepted the job for Fangio based off of acceptable parameters, then it's Fangio who changed his mind.

I hope the truth comes out within a week or so, I'm tired of speculating. Rumors that he may not be wanted back in Denver by some of the players makes me think we really should walk away now. We have a small window to compete, we can't afford to miss badly on DC.

All of this "Fangio is embarrassing the Dolphins" talk is pretty silly.  This isn't like the Colts and Josh McDaniel, where the team issued an official release announcing the hire.  All you have so far is a bunch of reporters with competing "scoops" claiming this and that.

The Dolphins front office should stay the course.  None of this media gossip has changed anything.

If we get him then fine. If we get dumped and then lose out to the next guy then we will be a joke once again. We are playing his game and if we lose people are going to make fun of us. It doesn't have to bother you or I but it will happen.

If the Dolphins don't get Fangio then they shouldn't be giving reporters "scoops" before deals are signed.  That's on them.

I think the issue is that Fangio or his agent said they would take the job and now they aren't. However, you are correct in that even if Fangio is in the wrong, no need to tell reporters he took the gig before it is signed. I think they do that to curry favor with the beat writers so when they have some drama like with Flores or the Brady debacle, they go easy on them. Just a hunch though, I can see no other benefit to telling Barry Jackson about potential deals.

I posted this three days ago so it's been four days since the Dolphins let it slip. Crazy nothing has been said either way since this. I really don't know why the Dolphins are waiting unless they know something. Maybe Miami Mike has good intell that San Fran doesn't want him and most people don't see him taking the Broncos. LOL ... I don't remember who said it but now every time I think about him going back to the Broncos as a "cuck" position.

That was me, it is a cuck position, he was their coach 2 years ago. It's a humiliating downgrade, the players won't respect him.

Pretty sure it's San Fran or us, don't know what the hold up is about. He knows Miami's stance and offer and by now he surely has to know San Fran's offer. The guy from Seattle is in limbo too as he won't be hired until Fangio makes up his mind, he will probably take whichever job is left.

Yeah, that's an odd position to be in wrt Denver. Not sure if that would work. I think maybe the HC being Sean Payton and not some nobody could make it work. I think it also helps that the Broncos have a new GM.

Reports are that Payton and the Broncos haven't finalized terms yet, so it's certainly possible that Fangio has already agreed with Payton and is just waiting for everything to fall into place there.

Very possible he told Payton he will go with him if he comes back, but that's a terrible landing spot for him compared to Miami and San Fran. Miami is highest paid with tons of talent. San Fran is familiarity with tons of talent. Denver is a demotion on a team all but guaranteed to miss the playoffs the next 3-4 years.

Sadly, this is our offseason so stories like this are all we have to talk about. Free agency next and then somewhat the draft wince we don't have many picks.

We don't have any cap space, either, so free agency isn't going to be too exciting. Only 1 team (the Chiefs) has fewer players under contract and yet we're still $13 million over the 2023 cap.

The cap can be manipulated in so many ways. With cuts and restructures, I saw on some Dolphin blogs that we can have as much as $70 Million in cap space. Truth is, we are a pretty solid team as is with not many glaring holes. A top notch RT would be great but a league average one will do just fine, same with LG unless someone can show me where Eichenberg wasn't terrible. Got a lot of starters on secondary returning, Ogbah is coming back and should improve playing with Chubbs. Really, health was our biggest issue by a mile and it's hard to spend your way out of that.

^ Sure, cap space can be manipulated by pushing things into the future where it will constitute a smaller part of a future, higher cap space. But doing that isn't free. It really hurts in terms of flexibility and, if a player decides to quit (retire or quit on the team), moving on really, really hurts since all those charges you pushed into the future come crashing down. Players also usually expect (and get) more in terms of guarantees for doing these restructures, which again hurts in terms of flexibility.

The obvious moves are cutting Byron Jones (designate him a post-June cut - the cut itself usually happens much earlier, but the player is counted on the cap until 2 June), which saves nearly $14 million and restructuring some contracts. The largest of those are Hill, Chubb, Armstead, Ogbah, Howard, Waddle, and Wilkins. The latter two are on their rookie contracts which means they would need to be resigned long term instead of playing on their year 5 option (Wilkins) or last regular year of rookie deal (Waddle). It's certainly doable for Wilkins, but I'm not sure if he's proven himself enough where you want to lock in a huge deal. It all depends on what he would want, of course. 

The first four (Hill, Chubb, Armstead, and Ogbah) really are the ones to focus on with a combined cap hit of over $90 million for the 2023 season. But you do really want to redo Armstead's deal, for example? The Dolphins have great flexibility with the current deal where only $4 million is guaranteed beyond 2023, yet he is under contract for 3 seasons beyond that (2026). Hill's contract is the biggest, but 2023 is the last year with guaranteed salary and that flexibility beyond 2023 would almost certainly be lost in a restructure. Same with Ogbah. He hasn't really been *great*, despite getting *great* money, so do you really want to extend the period he gets guaranteed money? I could see Ogbah be traded in a post June-1 deal, but I'm not sure a restructure makes sense.

I could see them restructure Chubb contract, but you would need to keep in mind that his cap hit is over $20 million a year for the rest of his contract and everything you are saving on the 2023 cap is moved to future cap hits, making him even more expensive for those years.

If I had to guess, I'd say they restructure Hill and Chubb and save about $30 million there. Unless they reach a trade on Ogbah, any other changes are going to be pretty minor.

There could be some major cuts, obviously. Jerome Baker would be a $9 million savings if designated a June 1 cut.

According to Adam Schefter, Fangio has accepted the position with Miami. I think it's 100% this time.

I would still like more people to confirm it but I'm pretty sure it's legit now.

He said he accepted it and will sign after the Super Bowl. I guess he’s too busy to come here and the Dolphins can’t send anyone to him to get it signed. Sounds legit to me. Oh wait a minute … it is Groundhog Day. I won’t believe it until the press conference after he signs.

He is a consultant for a team preparing for the Superbowl. 

Is he even legally allowed to sign a contract with us if he is on another team's payroll?

Don't know, he is a consultant not an actual employee.  But it would be extremely bad form for him to be putting much focus on the Dolphins instead of the Eagles. 

Looks like we got him, which is good. With the dolphins I will not believe it until the first preseason game but it looks like we dodged further embarrassment.

Yeah, on the field you can't deny that this was a huge get for us that can push us to the next level. I just hope that when the story comes out, it isn't that bad and we were all speculating on fake reports.

Proper coaching is worth it's weight in gold, it can be more important than adding a Pro Bowler to the roster.

I'm sure he is putting in 16 hours days consulting ... LOL. You really don't think his consultant job is what is holding him up do you?

I doubt he is working 16 hours a day. But I would not be the least bit surprised if he wanted all news about his next job to wait until after the superbowl and is already a. little bit disgruntled at his next employer for not honoring that simple curtesy and instead leaking premature information during the NFCCG.

The generally accepted principal is that you don't want the media asking questions during Super Bowl week as a distraction to the game ahead.  So, he probably wanted to keep it under wraps.

+1  Yeah that's generally an NFL Office rule, they don't want anything distracting from the big game that generates all the revenue from sponsors, etc.

But if he is consulting I'm sure he's watching a lot of game film to see if he can offer any bits of information to the Eagles.

I think it is less that than a mindset that everybody connected to the team is all in.

Mike Florio said today the agent and Fangio were not on the same page and it has caused some rift. Said he thinks the agent may have leaked it to the NFL network.  Who knows ... he will be here after the Super Bowl .... unless he's not.

This makes the most sense and best case scenario for us as it shows that Fangio isn't a headcase or a man who takes back his word. Like I mentioned briefly here before, teams, players and agents leak things to make themselves look good or to buy favor with the media for later use.

According to Joe Rose most of the unnamed sources are typically agents. The have every writers number on speed dial.

True, plus the fact that being truthful takes a back seat to saying whatever is in their client's (and their own) financial best interests.

Sources: Vic Fangio helping Eagles' Super Bowl prep on 2-week deal (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35644472/sources-vic-fangio-helping-eagles-super-bowl-prep-2-week-deal)

Vic Fangio has been helping the Philadelphia Eagles prepare for Super Bowl LVII before he begins his new job as the defensive coordinator of the Miami Dolphins.

Fangio signed a two-week contract with the Eagles after Philadelphia beat the 49ers in the NFC Championship Game, league sources told ESPN.

Rather than pack up for his move to Miami, Fangio spent the past two weeks in Arizona at the Philadelphia team hotel, helping Eagles coaches and players get ready for the Chiefs. More specifically, he assisted the offensive staff in their self-scouting process and supplied knowledge of the Chiefs' defense that he faced twice a year while he was the head coach of the Broncos from 2019 to 2021.

Since he is contractually tied to Philadelphia during this period, the 64-year-old Fangio would receive a Super Bowl ring if the Eagles beat the Chiefs on Sunday, which would mark the first ring of his decorated coaching career. The Eagles had approached Fangio earlier in the year about a consulting role, but he chose to keep his schedule flexible to enjoy his time away from the game.

After the Super Bowl, Fangio will head to Miami to sign his contract with the Dolphins.

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Seems like all the people who were screaming that the Dolphins were being humiliated by Fangio may not have known what they were talking about.

I know his two week contract with the Eagles was exhausting but I thought we'd hear something yesterday. then I thought we'd hear something today. Hopefully we will hear something tomorrow and it's not he's decided against signing.

Bit premature of a thread but now two weeks later it is official. 

LOL ... Channing Crowder just called it the longest hiring in NFL history. It will be nice to see him functioning as a Dolphin as he's kind of given the impression he was in no hurry to join us.

Now that it's done, this sounds like it was much ado about nothing.

He just had other commitments to fulful before making it official.  Maybe it was symbolic for his other team.  I don't make much of it.

But we're talking about the Dolphins and history says where's there is smoke there is likely a dumpster fire. Fortunately the McDaniel years are proving better.

X sounds like he is excited ...
“I feel like the defense is definitely going to elevate,” Howard said when speaking to NFL Network’s Cameron Wolfe. “I feel like every defense he had was in the top five, so I feel like he can do a lot of good things on defense and really put a lot of guys in a defensive position to make plays.”

There were a lot of usually reputable reporters saying he was interviewing with the Niners and Broncos after he supposedly agreed to take the Miami gig. Then, Fangio himself told the local Niners beat reporter that nothing has been decided. I don't think there was nothing to it, there was probably some hesitance. At his age, you never know when the next gig is your last stop.