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Donald J. Trump is scheduled to be arraigned in Fulton County tomorrow on charges of attempting to illegally overturn the 2020 election in Georgia.  Mug shots of his accused co-conspirators (including Rudy Giuliani and John Eastman, among others) have already been released (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/trump-mug-shot-gallery.html).  Trump's previous arraignments have not required him to take a mug shot, but this one will; as such, Trump's mug shot will undoubtedly be the most famous photograph taken since any of us were born.

I'm interested in seeing whether the Friday edition of the NY Times runs Trump's mug shot on A1 above the fold, as befits the occasion.  I doubt it, as they are currently trying to downplay Trump's multiple criminal indictments as boring (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/14/us/politics/trump-indictments-georgia-criminal-charges.html).

chances the mug shot is on the cover of time ?

99.44%

the most iconic photo of my lifetime was on the front page of the nyt on sept 12 2001, this one doesn’t compare.

That's true, however people born since then can legally drink so we're old as fuck

::)

I am not  even sure if a mug of Trump beats out a man carrying a confederate flag in the capital on Jan 6 as an era defining photo.

While the 9/11 photos are certainly iconic, I think there are too many different photos of 9/11 for a specific one of them to be "the most famous picture".

The 9/12 NYT used this:
(https://api.wbez.org/v2/images/da414725-462f-4968-a52c-58c692cca8b3.jpg?width=900&height=895&mode=FILL)

But I remember these two pictures more:

(https://api.time.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/9-11-moved-them-most-01.jpg)

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/newscms/2021_36/1703361/ss-160909-911-attack-mbe-630_20.jpg)

For me, the primary media memory of 9/11 is not any photo, but rather the video of the second plane flying into the tower.

I immediately thought of 9/11 but there isn't a single photo.  The only one I could think of was "the falling man". 

9/11 was the bigger moment, but there is no definitive shot.  I think the mugshot might be it.

^^^ I hope someone makes t-shirts.

Dude, Etsy is going to break tonight.

I'm way deep in the weeds of politics and I don't know which picture you're referring to.


I don't think this even holds a candle but the one young guy yelling with the torch in Charlottesville was like...THE PHOTO of that incident.  Jan 6th and 9/11 were so widely covered that there isn't the one defining shot.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/confederates-in-the-capitol/617594/

I personally think the "definitive photo" of January 6th has to have the Q Shaman in it.

But again, even with Jan 6, there's the picture of the Capitol being swarmed... there's the picture of the insurrectionist with his feet up on Pelosi's desk... there's the picture of the guy in the House chamber wearing tactical gear with a bunch of zip-tie handcuffs... there are the Capitol Police being crushed against the door... there are so many pictures of that event that it's hard to just pick one.

The mugshot is different.  This will be either the only mugshot, or the first one.  That's as definitive as it gets.

And here it is, in all its glory:

(https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2023-08/230824-donald-trump-mugshot-1x1-cs-962f40.jpg)

Lock him up.

doesn’t even look like a mug shot.

if he was standing in front of the standard lines with the square neckless with name and numbers it would be distinctive.  That photo looks like a standard issue whitehouse portrait photo

Not sure why they don't make them hold the serial numbers in Fulton County.  Oh well.

Pretty sure that is a thing of the past.

(https://i.imgur.com/WD9vBuo.jpg)

Probably the most famous photo in my lifetime would be this one.

Should be the James Webb Telescope photos tho.

That moon landing one is important, but it's way before my lifetime.

the moon landing was way way way way WAAAAY before my lifetime for sure !

This is a novel choice, but I bet you could show that photo to people and they wouldn't understand what the significance was.  Or what is was or that they've ever ever seen it.

Everyone is gonna know the Trump photo.

Lets not get carried away with all those "way"s, bruh

I am willing to bet if you showed that photo to 100 Americans in 20 years a significant majority would recognize Trump but not the reason for the photo.

Even today I bet you could show that photo any many people will say Trump, but not why.

Maybe one day it will have the fame it needs, but I believe it’s the most important photo ever taken.

Other options “the little blue dot”and that Vietnamese girl running from the napalm

On a similar note, I'd put these up there with the most important historical photos:

The Blue Marble (1972):

(https://i.etsystatic.com/28965733/r/il/111d48/3839706947/il_794xN.3839706947_sqh3.jpg)

The fall of the Berlin Wall (1989):

(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2009/11/09/ap89111001348_slide-73c82e0f3c6e88fb9ce68991028afa61120c5144-s800-c15.jpg)

Along with something from September 11th 2001.

I can guarantee you that on a comparative scale, not that many people outside of the USA gives a crap about a mugshot of Trump.

The point I was making is that there are many pictures of Earth from space, or 9/11, or the Berlin Wall falling.  But there's only one mugshot of the former President of the United States.

The mug shot is underwhelming, it just looks like a portrait.  It doubt it will be nearly as iconic as Nixon’s helicopter photo. . 

The Nixon image is one of the few discussed that are THE photo for a specific moment.  His leaving the presidency is defined by that one photo.

And the point I made is that relatively few people outside of the USA think it's anywhere near as historically important as you do there.

In other countries, for sure.  I think we're talking about to Americans....that was my assumption anyway.

The fact that people outside the US even know who Trump, Obama, Bush etc. is says a lot about the dynamic.
The vast majority of Americans would struggle to name the President of Mexico or the Prime Minister of Canada, to say nothing of the leaders in Africa, Asia, Australia, or Europe.

Although just a couple years before my first cry, the photo of Lyndon Johnson being sworn in as President is pretty iconic.  As for mug shots O.J. Simpson's is/will be more memorable than Trump's; even though Time magazine doctored OJ's.

9/11 had a lot of memorable photos, I think the one with the second plane about to crash into the Tower is quite famous.

That says more about American ignorance than importance.

Not exactly.  If someone from Canada can name the leader of the US or the UK, but not the leader of Indonesia, Nigeria, or Brazil, does that speak to Canadian ignorance, or does it merely indicate that people tend not to care about the leaders of countries that are not immediately relevant to them?

For better or worse, the president of the United States is relevant to many people on this planet, because the US makes it relevant by our decisions and outsized influence.

One aspect is importance, but ignorance is the LARGER issue.  That most Americans can less than 5 and most Europeans can name a few dozen goes to ignorance,

I don't really think it's fair.  Whether we like it or not, most of world politics, world finance, etc -- that stuff goes through America.  We have the most influence in the world by a lot.  Our policies affect a lot of small countries, so it's probably in their best interest to know our leadership and have opinions on us.  But it's just not true the other way around, outside of the major players like China, Russia, etc.

I am not pro ignorance, but all I'm saying is that I don't think it's apples to apples.

I agree.  I'm sure people in most countries know who Putin is, and maybe the leaders of China and the UK.

I doubt Europeans are naming a few dozen, maybe the 5 more well known worldly leaders (like Biden, Putin, Jinping, Sunak, Kim Jong Un), then maybe a half dozen local countries - which is more like naming a couple US State Govenors.

But going back to the original post and question... the most famous photo image in our lifetime. All of us. Not just you in the USA. Not just me in Australia.

I still come back to those three moments (post mid-1969 when I was born). The moon landing. The fall of the Berlin Wall, and something from 9/11.

The Blue Marble is the only other thing that comes remotely close on a global scale (and probably only for geeks). After that, maybe something from Live Aid - as a symbol that we genuinely gave a shit about the most impoverished people on earth for one afternoon?

I agree that those are more famous events by a long shot, especially globally.  But there are lots of pictures of those events, and (outside of Neil Armstrong stepping on to the moon, which is before the lifetime of most posters here) there isn't really one definitive picture that represents the fall of the Berlin Wall, or 9/11.