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It's absolutely amazing how we always felt we had a chance when he was here. Man ... I sure miss that feeling. Who'd have thought we would now be worst professional franchise in the US? Miami hasn't made the final 8 since 2000 making them the worst professional franchise. Hell ... even my sorry arse Orlando Magic did it in 2010 along with the Jets. It's almost impossible to be this bad for so long without trying to be.

You can always cherry pick the date and conditions to arrive at the intended goal of "worst franchise in the nation."
The Jets haven't made the playoffs in 13 years, so of course the timeline has to be longer than that.  And since the Dolphins won a playoff game in 2000, that's when the timeline has to stop.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

Every team in one of the 4 top American Sports has been down to the last 8 except for the Dolphins in the last 24 years. That's NFL, NBA, MLB, and NHL. That a hell of a lot of teams who have had success much more recently than us. That's not cherry picking. That is simple truth. Spinning it any other way is cherry picking.


Other than the fact you two like arguing pretty much anything ... there is no reason to get butt hurt. It's just a fact we have been failing for a long time and last year was kind of icing on the cake as everyone thought we had the talent. No way this year's team is as talented no matter what we do.

The Browns haven't won their division or made the conference championship since the '80s.  But I guess since they Won A Playoff Game four years ago, that makes them a better franchise.

They have achieved more success in reaching the goal.

Is the goal to win the Super Bowl or be entertaining? If it is to win the Super Bowl, and I think it is, then the other stuff is fodder. How close did you get to that goal is a measurable thing and we rank dead last among all 4 leagues.

The Dolphins have previously won the Super Bowl, which is the goal.
There are 12 franchises in the league that have never won the Super Bowl.
By your own logic, the Dolphins are better than those franchises.  Q.E.D.

"Top 8" and "last 24 years" are metrics you are choosing specifically so you can exclude the Dolphins.
You aren't doing "made the playoffs" because the Dolphins would qualify, and you aren't doing "top 4" because other teams would also fail that test.
You aren't doing "last 25 years" because the Dolphins would qualify, and you aren't doing "last 20 years" because other teams would also fail that test.

I'm doing the last 24 years because that's what I mostly remember .... as I'm guessing most of you too. I'm happy as hell we won 2 Super Bowls but I didn't get to enjoy them as I was too young. The first Super Bowls I remember was in 83 and 85 when I was in high school. Excuse me for wanting more current successes than that. I'm tired of living off the success of guys who are now in their 70s.

You... don't remember the playoff wins with JJ & Wanny?  Or making the AFC Championship in 1993?

You're picking an arbitrary point in time (exactly 24 years, not 25 or 20) and arbitrary criteria ("top 8" instead of "winning the Super Bowl") so you can reach the conclusion that the Dolphins are the worst franchise in sports.

If that helps you to sleep at night ...  but do you even remember those games? You're right. We are the greatest and are run better than any other organization. What the heck am I thinking? I believe more of us are realists when it comes to this team's failures to succeed. At best we have been "almost decent" but not really.

We wouldn't even be having this discussion if you had said something like "This team has been a huge disappointment for decades," or even "The Dolphins have been the worst NFL franchise of the 21st century."  But instead, you went way over the top and tried to claim that they're the worst professional franchise in the US.  So yeah, you're gonna get some pushback on that one.

The problem with rooting for a good team as a kid is come to expect it as permanent. Unlike Patriots fans who never saw Bledsoe, I don’t expect my team to win every year. 

If you grew up with Marino, then you had an overall net positive experience as a Dolphins fan and you formed an unrealistic set of expectations. 

The Dolphins franchise history is better than average.  In 59 years they won 2 SB.  The expected value is 1.8. They appeared in 5, expected is 3.7.  They won about 50 more games then the average would expect and have the sixth best win loss percentage out of 32 teams, only slightly behind NEP. Made the playoffs 42% of the seasons,

Dolphins aren’t contending for best Franchise history.  Depending on metric used that is either New England, Dallas, or Green Bay, but they aren’t contending for worst.  They are in the upper half, maybe even upper quarter.

Why do you have DAL and GB as better than PIT?

Dal has the highest win loss percentage of any franchise.

GreenBay has the most Championships and the most overall wins.

Not sure what metric I could use to place the Steelers in the number one spot although I will agree it is a top tier franchise. 

Fair enough.

I came to the realization the other day that I very well may live my life a hardcore Dolphins fan and die, never seeing them win.

Even though that's probably not mathematically likely, I think it's starting to become reasonable to expect that they never win while I'm still young enough to enjoy it.  I may be breathing, but will I still be keeping up with the team???

Yep, it's a test of what you really are as a Dolphins fan.

There was so much promise after the draft pick goldmine from the Tunsil trade... and then we pissed it all away. The ironic thing is what was a basket case of a franchise involved with that trade is now closer to a Superbowl success than us, and he will likely be a major part of it.

I'm fully resigned to a horrible couple of seasons ahead, followed by a coach and QB sacking, rinse and repeat. I don't want it by any means.. but I can see it coming.

There is additional irony in that, despite the previous three years of contention for worst-team-in-league, after one year of a 10-7 division title and a wild card win at home, you've seen enough to be convinced that HOU is better off than MIA for years to come.

If fortunes can change that drastically that quickly, why are you convinced that the Dolphins are doomed?

To sum that up in a single a word - Ross.

I don't know why you would have more confidence in Texans' owner Cal McNair than in Stephen Ross.  McNair has been worse in nearly every regard.

Yet, they seem to be in a better place than us right now.

Has their Head honcho cost them any draft picks during his mess ups like ours has?

Don't throw stones when you have glass houses...

They won a single home playoff game while finishing with a worse record in a worse division, gifting them a division title that MIA would have if they were in the AFCS.

Why are you so high on the Texans?

They have a young team stacked with talent. A Pro-Bowl QB on a rookie contract for a few more years with a franchise LT (courtesy of us) to protect his blind side. They have space to add more (and they just did, with Diggs at surprisingly little cost). On the other hand, we're losing talent quick!

They are in a weaker division, but that should do them favors in building a better W-L record. They already won a playoff game - I don't give a rats who it was against or how they did it, but they did, which is more than we can say for way too long to remember. They beat three times as many playoff teams as we did last year (which is not saying much... we only beat Dallas).

They are on the up, while we are clearly not. They can add to their team, while we are trying to work out if/how to keep Tua, and who else we will lose in the process.

Ps. At the Pro Bowl games C.J. Stroud was very impressive, easily the best of the AFC QBs who were there. Tua acted like he was disinterested, was horribly inaccurate, and looked like an overweight slob. I've been a Tua supporter from the start (and shouldn't be fat-shaming anyone) but it was a horrible look from who is supposed to be our franchise QB.

 

Looks like I wasn't the only one who thought Tua was overweight at the Pro Bowl. Tyreek described him as "fat as shit", and (perhaps jokingly) suggested Tua has been on Ozempic during the offseason to lose weight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9C7nO7yFw