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https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4588570-three-reasons-biden-wont-close-the-border/

This article quite accurately describes the situation of how horrible the border situation has become.  

Literally, millions of illegal immigrants have entered this country under Joe Biden.

Trump literally had secured our borders and made them the safest in the world.

The first reason the article gives is quite weird.  I don't understand how ANY American would favor an open border.  It's nonsensical.

The second reason given is the one you might expect.  Political power.  Allowing illegals into the country helps because they count in the population even if they can't vote.

With many people leaving blue cities to go to red ones because of unprecedented crime and inflation, the illegals help offset the losses of the Democratic Party.  This is the opposite of what I thought earlier.  I figured many Republicans leaving for red states would make it easier for Democrats in the election.

The third reason is utterly ridiculous.  Illegal immigrants are not looking for work.  They are getting free stuff from the government and living lives of luxury.

This is affecting my mental health.  I ask you Democrats, what is the good in allowing millions of illegal immigrants to come into our country?  Help me understand the situation.

It is quite obvious from your posting in the past couple of years that you are mentally unwell and fallen victim to the MAGA cult.  I urge you to get help.

I'm not going to get into this debate because I don't think it's in good faith.  I will say this:

I do believe that the lack of security and processing at the border is unacceptable.
It has been unacceptable for many decades.
It isn't the president's job to fix the border.  It is a larger, systemic issue only partially related to US policy that requires funding and legislation to not only fix the current crisis, but the larger cause.
I don't believe that politicians are truly interested in solving the problem.
While it is a problem that needs addressing, the sudden hysteria about the issue is performative and an a political overreaction.

I would like to know how many undocumented immigrants entered the country per year under Obama, Trump, and Biden, so I can know the number of immigrants that is a grave threat to the republic vs. how many is securely keeping our nation safe.

Just as a toss out, here in Florida the southern border isn't where we are seeing immigrants come from. Haiti is sending a lot of people our way. Some are legal and some I have to question. We just let two go recently because I assume their permits expired. They both came in one morning and provided new documents with different names on them and expected us to treat them as it was normal.

The free immigration policy is killing countries. For instance Switzerland is dealing with falling school standards as well as violence and crime like never before. The financial burden it puts on everyone there is out of control as well.  Who'd have thought allowing Somali gangs in to the country unchecked would have been a bad thing?  ::)

It may not be politically correct to say but the truth is uncontrolled immigration is not good for the citizens and should be checked. Everyone who is saying the opposite is free to adopt as many as you like but we all know that isn't happening. Talking about being a good person is so much easier.

This sounds like Trump.  "like never before".

Where are you getting this?  I saw some articles that Switzerland is experiencing increased crime in the last year, but they're one of the lowest in the world historically and there was a sharp decline for many years in a row prior.  This doesn't seem true.  It seems like a cherry pick of data to try to make a point.

From what I can tell, rates have ticked up slightly over the last two years, but are still well below rates in the 2010s. 


Rate per 1000 people:
2010: 67,8

2011: 71,1

2012: 76,9

2013: 71,5

2014: 64,6

2015: 59,2

2016: 56,2

2017: 52,1

2018: 51,0

2019: 50,6

2020: 49,0

2021: 47,9

2022: 52,5

2023: 59,3

Source: https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/de/home/statistiken/kataloge-datenbanken/publikationen.html?dyn_prodima=901231

It is politically acceptable to blame "immigrants from shithole countries" or "immigrants from Somali gangs" in a way that it not acceptable to simply blame "Mexicans" or "Africans."
It's the same meal, just reheated for a new generation.

Sorry ... I meant Sweden ... the larger of the two. I saw a report about a week ago on CBS in regards to how things have been going in Sweden as the Far Right has been getting elected because of the crime.


Sweden’s police chief says escalation in gang violence is ‘extremely serious’https://apnews.com/article/sweden-shooting-bombing-teenager-deadly-d47736b7a3421a5bf4d9d50c89744535

Sweden has around 62,000 persons linked to criminal gangs, police sayhttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/sweden-has-around-62000-persons-linked-criminal-gangs-police-say-2024-02-23/

Spread of gang violence wrecks Sweden's peaceful imagehttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67342368

If you have nothing to add I can always count on you calling me a racist and sometimes a homophobe. Hahaha ... you really need new tag lines as neither has much of an effect these days. You guys wore it out a while ago.   

If you don’t want to be called a racist stop saying racist stuff, it is really that simple.

CF, do you think it's racist to blame "immigrants from shithole countries" or "immigrants from Somali gangs" for general, unattributed increases in the national crime rate, or falling school standards?

My all time favorite “blame it on the immigrants” is the often made claim that immigrants are bringing illegal guns into the USA over the Mexican boarder. 

Reality is that is  that the flow of guns is the opposite direction with over 90% of guns the Mexican police seize illegally brought into Mexico from the USA. 

When news and political leaders say it because the data backs it up it is truth. Black babies are given up for adoption at a higher rate than white people. You'd call that a racist  statement but the facts support it. Asians succeed at a higher level than anyone in the US and there is facts to support that.

The biggest issue with progressive liberals is you give up common sense in order to be politically correct. Feelings over facts is super dangerous and we are seeing the effects. That's just dumbing down society and wouldn't you know it ... there is evidence to support that we are dumber now here in the US as IQs are continually falling. So much in fact that some people think transvestites are actual women and we have to pretend they are too or we're the bad ones. Who in the heck in their right mind would have seen that coming?

But you don't have any data indicating that immigrant Somali gangsters are causing "falling school standards."  It's just something you call "common sense" because you prefer to blame immigrants.

Are black babies more frequently given up for adoption because of their race?
Are Asians more successful because of their race?
No need to sugar coat your answer; speak freely.

When I said, "It's the same meal, just reheated for a new generation," I meant that nothing you're saying is new.  There have been people saying, "It's no coincidence that white people are more successful than black people, just look at the data" for centuries.  And the kind of people who think that's "just common sense" have a very particular world view.

Thank you for proving my point. I honestly don't understand the people who see race in everything. It seems to me it's just some sort of attention getter because no one is noticing them kind of thing to me. People are bad or good and when describing them their race is one thing you notice. Cracks me up when you see them reporting crime and never mention the guy being black or Arabic or whatever ... but they will quickly tell you to be on the look out for a white male as if it's only important to describe white people. There is a reason why things like Brady's roast or comedy from politically incorrect comedians are getting so popular. People are tired of putting up with people who they know don't believe in the political correctness they are spewing.

Politically incorrect comedians have always been popular.  Comedy has pretty much always been the bastion of being able to break the rules of polite society, so long as you can manage the audience.  It's when you aren't funny enough and the audience turns against you that things become problematic.

And controversial.  And many comedians/shows that today seems real bland today was extremely edgy in there time.  A rerun of Fred Rodgers sharing a pool with François Clemmons is a nothingburger today, when it first aired it was called it shoving integration down children’s troughs.

   

I responded to someone on facebook today and said this:

The art of comedy is to say the wrong thing, but in a package where it is reflective or ironic or makes the audience recognize something about themselves that they might not have otherwise or to confront an uncomfortable truth. Then, you laugh in spite of the joke. I've laughed at truly horrific shit before, but it was in a greater context.

The reality is that the context changes. You can watch Archie Bunker and think it's funny. But it came out in a time where it was mirroring back something to its audience that was biting commentary. Those same jokes, if put on primetime CBS today, wouldn't work. It's not just because we're too PC, but it's because they wouldn't be funny because the world has changed.

These comedians are missing the point of why their jokes are failing. We can do and say so much more now than ever before. Lucy and Ricky couldn't even sleep in the same bed. Those same premises wouldn't work on a show now and it's not because we're more uptight about content. It's just that we have evolved and for comedy to still be funny, it has to evolve with us.

I saw a white comedian use the n word the other day, in a way that I thought turned the joke on its head.

I'm going to butcher the delivery, but he was talking about it in a very careful way that seemed like he was about to say something offensive, but he was dancing around it, and then the joke was basically about how he hears black people call each other the n-word and how that's acceptable, and you're expecting it to go kinda racist, but then it's about how honored he is when a black guy calls him the n-word, and I found that true to life and funny.  But his set up played with the word's expectation and then he subverted it.

It was funny, he flipped the script, but he still said the "offensive" thing.

I think there is element in comedy where it works best if you are making fun of yourself.  Jeff Foxworthy “you might be a redneck”is hilarious but if Jerry Sienfeld made the same jokes they wouldn’t have been as well received. 

Most of Brad Williams jokes won’t work if told by a 6 foot tall comedian. Josh Sundquist can make fun of amputees the rest of us shouldn’t.

I consider Gary Owens a particularly brilliant comedian because he is able to break out of of that confide and remain humerus rather than offensive.

I didn’t see the entire roast of Brady, but of the clips I did see the only joke I found cringe worthy was Brady’s joke referencing 9/11.

I am a defender of comedy and I literally don't think any topic or word is off-limits.

It's all about how you use it, the context, and the subversion.  ...and whether it's funny.  You can get away with a lot when people laugh.



I think when guys like Jerry Seinfeld get themselves in trouble for complaining, it's because they're complaining about things you can't do today, then he releases a movie about Pop Tarts.  Robert Downey Junior killed it doing blackface in a movie not THAT long ago, in a time where you weren't able to do blackface.  But the joke turned in on itself and rode the wave.

I thought your point was, "This isn't racism, it's cold hard data," but apparently not?
Again, you don't have the data.  You're simply declaring that immigrant Somali gangs are a common-sense explanation for Sweden's problems.

Literally in back to back posts, you went from "Black babies are given up for adoption more often and Asians are more successful, it's just facts" to "I don't understand why other people see race in everything."

The people who are "tired of putting up with political correctness" are the same people who think schoolchildren need to be protected from books that mention a family with two dads, or a teenaged girl who kisses another girl... to say nothing of the books that discuss the history of slavery in the US.

I think I saw one that too. Didn't he start off by saying he was called a "Cracker" and it was kind of offensive because of the way the black guy said it?

Many people complained about him wearing blackface but he and Ben Stiller have never backed down from it that I know of. I think its kind of like Dave Chappell bashing trans people. The fact he hasn't backed down has actually helped him overcome all the attacks.

I love how you exaggerate everything to the point of it being just silly.  You really need to get out of San Francisco and see that people of different races, religions, or lack thereof, function just fine together in the real world.

I don't think I agree.  I haven't seen widespread complaining about RDJ.  If anything, it's more just people being surprised in hindsight that a bigger deal wasn't made of it.

Chappelle is a different case.  He's one of my favorite comedians of all time.  He is still funny on occasion, but his recent specials have felt more like one man shows than comedy shows.  He still has some funny parts, but I have been kinda cringing through his trans sets for the last several specials.  It's not like I hate the guy, but those bits definitely aren't funny to me, but also they're kind of uncomfortable and I don't feel a connection to the message.

I feel that way about stand up comedy a lot, though.  I watch old stand up specials of Eddie Murphy and it's hard for me to find it funny, since it seems so dated.

Chappelle is at his funniest when he's talking about class struggle with the black community and white people comingling.  Police, drugs, growing up poor, etc.  Now that he's rich, he's way less relatable.  That happens all the time.