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I see people getting excited for this, but I just don't get it.

He's a name, but that's all.  He may contribute a little bit, but not only is he old and not that great, he's gonna be like the 4th option on the field.  I expect him to be competing with guys like River Cracraft.

I expect he takes Cracraft's spot on the roster. I think he caught 25 balls last year. Don't expect much more from him.

He will easily be our #3 and even higher if one of those guys gets hurt. That's something they tried with Chosen last year but it never worked out. If you look at his production the last few years he makes a lot of diving or ridiculous catches. Although not as fast as he once was, he's still got some speed. He's never had anyone like Tua throwing to him. It should be fun for him ... and us.

For the price he is a decent signing, particularly if he is receptive to mentoring.

Huh? He had Eli Manning throwing to him; who was definitely better than Tua.

I think it's more likely that OBJ will go out with some fantom injury, than Hill or Waddle going out.

I agree with you Dave.  At this point in his career I don't see him going across the middle and going up for a ball and risking injury.  There's a reason he is bouncing between teams at this point in his career.

That's a... bad example.  Eli had success in the playoffs for sure, but he wasn't really ever a particularly impressive QB statistically, and he won exactly half of his regular season games as a starter.  The version of Eli that OBJ played with was rapidly declining and wasn't better than Tua is now.

That said, if you wanted to cite a good QB OBJ has played with, I'd go with Matt Stafford in LA, or the reigning MVP Lamar Jackson last year.

Stafford is pretty good and he played well with him but .... if you look at OBJs highlight reel from last year, he was doing a ton of diving and making one handed grabs behind him. As a passer Jackson pales in comparison to Tua.

See CF's comment about his highlight reel.

Moreover, it seems like he and Tyreek are buddies.

There's something to be said about playing with your friends.  Happy players seem to elevate their game somehow.

That's not something he could have had on other teams.

He didn’t have a lot of catches last year but of those he did a significant amount were 3rd down conversions. I’d be happy with that as an option and I think he’s a better red zone option.

I get it’s not a huge need and maybe he’s washed and won’t contribute much but for the price I think it’s fine.

I still think he can beat most teams 3rd and 4th corners, I predict he’ll surprise you and have a pretty solid year, definitely better than last year.

I don't dispute what any of you guys are saying, but I'm seeing this reported from places like it's a big signing.  And we're talking about an old guy who will have a very limited role and may produce and help us, but not in a "breaking news" kind of way, as its being reported.

Oh I see what you mean Dave. I really only follow some fan sites especially in the offseason and I thought most of the coverage was reasoned with the significance of the signing. I haven’t seen many say it’s a huge deal but I haven’t been following local or national press about Miami.  OBJ has his owne celebrity status outside of the NFL so people know his name gets clicks.

I hope he has a good year. If he improves our WR3 performance from last year then we are in business.

Can’t believe I’m already excited about football season

its a big NAME signing for sure. 

Functionally, he has an incentive-heavy contract so he will get paid for performance.  Its low risk / high reward for the team.

I think it's a good signing, if for no other reason that he can play an outside WR and waddle/hill can move to the slot in a 3 WR package. Something our previous #3 WRs could not do. Craycraft, Ezukama, Berrios, none of them were playing the outside with hill and waddle on the field.

This is a gigantic meh signing for me.

We just added two at the WR position in the draft, and now have 11 on the list competing for 6 spots. Assuming that Hill, Waddle and OBJ have three of those, that's 8 competing for 3 spots - which is a total waste of what limited resources we have, given what we have lost during the offseason.

Yeah, OBJ may be a great mate of Hill at Pro Bowls and off the field... but in the locker room we will see. Hill got a hell of a lot of targets last year chasing his record breaking 2000 yard goal, and he will want that again next season. Will OBJ be happy with limited targets? (especially with a incentive based contract and a low - for him -  $3M base). Where does this leave Waddle?

On the surface, I see this as Grier pandering to wonderboy McDaniel, getting the spoiled brat another toy that he decided he wants. Sometime, they have to find the money to pay the basics like the rent (or in this case, the offensive line and the defense).

Yeah, in theory this may be a low risk / high reward gamble... or it could all go sour in a big hurry.   

I defended this and there still may be a chance to turn it around it doesn’t look good. We should have drafted Worthy and made a pitch to try and get Henry. Seeing hia resurgence makes me sick knowing he was exactly the kind of man we needed to help with our “toughness” issues

If there was a definition of a "luxury pick" by Grier, this was probably it. To our detriment.

Nothing signing alright.

So far this season, 3 targets for donuts.

Yeah, we're not paying his incentives... but we are paying him pretty decent coin so far for exactly zero in return.

By the same standard, Tyreek Hill has also been a "nothing signing" this year.

Ain't that the truth? It's been a shocker for both him and Waddle.

But at least they've both managed to catch a ball so far this season.

At some point, one has to ask, "What has changed from Tyreek going for 130yds against a bad opponent in week 1 to Tyreek averaging 33yds/game against the last 3 bad opponents MIA has faced?"

Did McDaniel suddenly get worse?  Or is the lack of production by receivers due to some other factor?

80 yards of that week 1 game was from the one touchdown bomb. Take that one play out, and that remaining 50 yards receiving looks pretty ordinary too.

Tyreek has looked off all season - even when Tua was at QB.

Or, put another way: add an 80-yard TD bomb to any other game and suddenly his stats for that game look pretty good!

The fact that Tyreek is not getting those plays is the difference.  He's a big play receiver; to say "Well if you ignore the 80-yard TD, he looked pretty ordinary" is like saying "Well if you ignore the 3-point shooting, Steph Curry wasn't that impressive."

That doesn't account for all his illegal shift penalties this season. Or the dropped passes. Or the lack of effort to recover the one he dropped behind the line of scrimmage against Titans which turned into a killer turnover.