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Title: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 13, 2024, 01:08:47 am
As you all know, I have been a hardcore Tua defender since before the draft. I am still confident that he was talented enough to lead this team to victory. But he's mentally not salvageable... Flores just did too much damage.

The one time I have ever been angry with and disappointed in Tua was the game he returned from the Cincinnati concussion, against Pittsburgh. He tried to run over a PIT defender for no good reason. I was furious.

Tonight, MIA was down by 3 TDs and it was the third quarter. Tua had gotten the yardage for the first down! All he had to do was slide! But for some reason, he is compelled to try to prove again and again how tough he is (likely because of the narrative around him). And in an injury-prone QB with a history of concussions, that is a flaw that you cannot work around. It's always going to be a matter of time before he gets himself hurt again doing something dumb. It's heartbreaking to see, but I hope Tua retires for his own safety. It was an exciting run, for what it's worth.

Given the contracts the team handed out this offseason, the best move I can see right now is throwing some draft capital at PIT to pry away whichever of Wilson or Fields the Steelers will part with.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Denver2 on September 13, 2024, 01:14:47 am
Take a swing on Trey Lance? Idk what’s next. I don’t know if I can do another rebuild another coaching change. It just never stops.

I’m not gonna say he should retire now but man these concussions are dangerous and he seriously needs to consider it.

Nightmare of a night.

I hate Thursday night games I hate them with a passion .

As much as Flores sucked he was right we should have went with Herbie


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 13, 2024, 01:20:01 am
Flores wanted Watson.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Phishfan on September 13, 2024, 02:02:22 am
Maybe Flores just saw what many had blinders to. I was on record saying Tua would never play a full season. He has proven me wrong by playing one.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Spider-Dan on September 13, 2024, 02:25:42 am
As a judge of talent, Flores was unquestionably terrible.  He had a young QB capable of leading in the league in passer rating one year and yardage the next, and he preferred Ryan Fitzpatrick.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: SCFinfan on September 13, 2024, 08:38:06 am
God bless Tua. I hope he retires and saves his brain.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: kidDyn0mite on September 13, 2024, 10:28:34 am
As a judge of talent, Flores was unquestionably terrible.  He had a young QB capable of leading in the league in passer rating one year and yardage the next, and he preferred Ryan Fitzpatrick.
he was right about Tua


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Dave Gray on September 13, 2024, 11:01:13 am
I am not a doctor so I feel grossly unqualified to have an opinion.  Whatever his choice is, I hope it's decisive and that he does what is best for himself.  And if it means he never plays another down, I understand and support it.  I would rather know that have this drag on for the remainder of the season and have a will he/won't he in perpetuity.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Pappy13 on September 13, 2024, 12:04:20 pm
My opinion is he was trying to make something happen partly because of the 3 INT's that happened earlier in the game. His desire to put the team on his back is greater than his ability to realize that one play isn't gonna make a difference. Slide. Throw the ball away. Run out of bounds. Whatever you have to do. You are too small to be taking on NFL players head first. You have to be smarter than that.

Having said that, I'm still of the opinion that a lot of QB's could be successful in this offense if given a decent chance. Skylar may not be one of them but I hope they give him a chance now. Tua should sit for at least 4 weeks and Skylar should be given the keys and see what he can do. If that means changing the offense a bit toward something that's better fitting for Skylar, they should do it, they have enough time till he starts. They can switch back when Tua is completely recovered and has a week or two of practice time.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Denver2 on September 13, 2024, 01:03:37 pm
Flores wanted Watson.

I heard he wanted Herbie years ago then heard he wanted Love this year

He was definitely wrong for wanting Watson tho


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Sibster on September 13, 2024, 02:07:45 pm
I am not a doctor so I feel grossly unqualified to have an opinion.  Whatever his choice is, I hope it's decisive and that he does what is best for himself.  And if it means he never plays another down, I understand and support it.  I would rather know that have this drag on for the remainder of the season and have a will he/won't he in perpetuity.

I'm not a doctor either but I do know this.   You can have an unlimited number of concussions and not suffer brain damage as long as you fully recover from each one before getting another one.    Sometimes it takes several weeks for a concussion to heal.   Why Tua would retire after this is beyond me.  He's still young and fully capable of making a recovery.   What he did on that play was about as dumb as you can imagine and the Dolphins will now pay a terrible price for it.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Dave Gray on September 13, 2024, 02:25:51 pm
I'm not a doctor either but I do know this.   You can have an unlimited number of concussions and not suffer brain damage as long as you fully recover from each one before getting another one.

Would you mind citing your source for this?  This seems unintuitive and against what I've been led to believe so far, but am open to new info.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Denver2 on September 13, 2024, 09:21:13 pm
I know we know more than we did now but Aikman had 10 concussions. I think the calls for him to retire while well meaning are hasty at this point.

I will support the man with whatever he decides.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Sibster on September 13, 2024, 10:27:46 pm
Would you mind citing your source for this?  This seems unintuitive and against what I've been led to believe so far, but am open to new info.

Multiple health outlets state this.  The problem is, repeated head trauma has to be factored in as a cause of CTE.   And by that, I mean hits to the head that don't cause concussions.   

Tua will be back at some point this season.  Mark my words. 


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Dave Gray on September 14, 2024, 07:07:52 pm
Multiple health outlets state this. 

Ok great.  If there are a lot of outlets supporting it, are you able to cite something I can read to verify?


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Sibster on September 14, 2024, 07:18:14 pm
Ok great.  If there are a lot of outlets supporting it, are you able to cite something I can read to verify?

You can Google it and AI will pop right up and answer.

As for the Tua Retirement crowd, y'all need to slow your roll.  Tua himself stated today that he is focusing on his recovery so he can get back on the field with his teammates. He is not anywhere near retiring


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Phishfan on September 14, 2024, 08:08:34 pm
AI is full of shit. It will make things up as it goes along.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Dave Gray on September 15, 2024, 11:30:57 am
You can Google it and AI will pop right up and answer.

As for the Tua Retirement crowd, y'all need to slow your roll.  Tua himself stated today that he is focusing on his recovery so he can get back on the field with his teammates. He is not anywhere near retiring

That's not really how forums work.  You are responsible for substantiating your claims.

I'm just trying to get the straight story because that sounds fishy.

Also, a quick Google search isn't turning up the results that you're suggesting for me.  What search term would you recommend? 


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Me:
Is this claim true or false:  You can have an unlimited number of concussions and not suffer brain damage as long as you fully recover from each one before getting another one.

ChatGPT said:
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That claim is false. Even if you seem to fully recover from individual concussions, repeated head injuries, especially over time, can still lead to cumulative brain damage. Each concussion disrupts the brain’s normal function, and while symptoms may subside, the brain remains vulnerable. There’s also the risk of second-impact syndrome, where the brain hasn’t fully healed before another injury occurs, which can lead to severe damage or even death.

Repeated concussions have been linked to long-term issues like Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), even in cases where people appeared to recover between injuries. Brain damage can accumulate even if the concussions are spaced apart and seem mild on their own. So, it's important to be cautious and limit head injuries whenever possible, regardless of how fully someone seems to recover.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: masterfins on September 19, 2024, 03:18:19 pm
Tua needs to retire before he kills himself or becomes paralyzed.  This last one wasn't even a hard hit, he hit the guy's shoulder pad and his neck and head bounced around like Jello.  There are running backs with worse hits ten times per game who don't get concussions.


Title: Re: Tua is done and should retire. Flores broke him. Time to move on.
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on September 20, 2024, 09:36:45 am
Tua needs to retire before he kills himself or becomes paralyzed.  This last one wasn't even a hard hit, he hit the guy's shoulder pad and his neck and head bounced around like Jello.  There are running backs with worse hits ten times per game who don't get concussions.

He needs to seriously change or he is going to have a very, very short career.

I read he was the main motivator for the comeback against the Jags, so it is a sign that he is a real competitor and willing to lead by example to get a win...

But this is getting into Steve Young territory way to quickly for my liking. It's less so brave and more just stupid to put himself into that kind of danger, and each concussion is an acceleration to what will be the end of it all.

Maybe last season with the extra helmet padding and no issues built a false sense of security, but that is all gone now. Tua is basically a target when he comes back, hit him hard legally, get him on the ground, and that will scramble his brain again. We're not even talking about dirty hits here, just regular plays.

You just know he needs an extended time away, a good part of, or possibly even the rest of the season. Unless Skyler turns into Brady 2.0, this is going to hurt the team.

Another serious concussion on top of this though would have to be it - endgame. That's the alternative, and after all the guaranteed money in the recent contract, would we go there?