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Title: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: CF DolFan on December 30, 2024, 08:50:04 am
College sports lost another great coach because of NIL when Miami's Jim Larranaga quit during the season.

I just didn't feel like that I could successfully navigate this whole new world that I was dealing with because my conversations were ridiculous with an agent saying to me, well, you can get involved if you're willing to go to $1.1 million. I'm like, what? A million dollars? And that'd be the norm. That was the norm. Like you're talking to people that expect a million dollars from playing college basketball. So for those guys and God bless them, they can handle that, they can work through it at the schools that can figure out a way to either put so much money to it or figure out a way that you can can live with less. But I talked to a lot of my friends and they're having all the same problems I'm having. How long they will last is anybody's guess."



Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Sibster on December 30, 2024, 09:10:16 am
NIL and the transfer portal have ruined college sports.   Not that college football and basketball players aren't deserving of SOME money with all the money the schools make off them, but the way it's set up now is totally changing the mindset of these athletes.  There needs to be some rules and regulations and they need to come in fast.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Fau Teixeira on December 30, 2024, 10:46:29 am
I have no compassion for sob stories from one of the highest paid people at the school. If he can't cut the new reality, let some other coaches better suited to college basketball take over. Maybe he can get a job coaching in Greece or Turkey.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 30, 2024, 12:26:50 pm
It looks like Jim Larranaga was making $2.85M per year.  Apparently $1M to play college basketball was crazy and confusing to him, but almost $3M/year to tell someone how to play college basketball was completely rational and comprehensible!

Don't let the door hit you on the way out, buddy.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Dave Gray on December 30, 2024, 12:48:25 pm
I don't mind college players getting paid, but I don't really like how the NIL works.  I think that there should be a set amount that every team can pay and that you shouldn't be buying players.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Phishfan on December 30, 2024, 01:14:29 pm
Cop out. None of that is going on right now. Those are off-season discussions. I'm sure a 4-8 record has nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Sunstroke on December 30, 2024, 01:19:27 pm

Apparently I haven't heard any of the legends that made him a "Legendary Miami men's basketball coach."



Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Sibster on December 30, 2024, 02:37:06 pm
I don't mind college players getting paid, but I don't really like how the NIL works.  I think that there should be a set amount that every team can pay and that you shouldn't be buying players.

I agree.  They need to make it like Arena Football where every player makes the same base salary and there are bonuses for making plays.   That way, the star players can earn the bigger bucks.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Dave Gray on December 30, 2024, 02:56:28 pm
I wouldn't mind if each player had a base salary that was small, but then teams could sign just a few guys up for greater contracts for not changing schools -- I think it also might help spread out talent to smaller schools a little bit.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 30, 2024, 06:15:06 pm
There is no possibility of a system in college football that levels the playing field for player acquisition.  The big schools have too much power and no incentive to give it up.
Hell, at the FBS level the NCAA doesn't even run the postseason tournament (like they do for FCS or in college basketball).

The current system that allows the smaller schools an opportunity to play the big boys for the national championship (instead of simply being frozen out like UCF) is a miracle that took our entire lifetimes to achieve.  Similarly, NIL at least gives smaller schools the chance to buy big-time players.  It's hard to see how things can improve much from here.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Phishfan on December 31, 2024, 12:21:48 am
I laugh out loud every time anyone brings up UCF and national championship in the same sentence. This round of playoffs should have put that to bed. College football never has 12 teams wh realistically have a chance of winning the championship. UCF would have been beaten worse than anything you sawin the first round this year.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 31, 2024, 04:05:29 am
Notre Dame never has a chance in hell of winning the championship and yet they have been gifted shot after shot.

The point is not whether a Cinderella team will actually win the whole thing; it's more about Cinderella teams knocking out big-time programs.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on December 31, 2024, 04:15:33 am
Oh, the irony! Pass me a miniature violin to play and a teacup to cry in.  ::)

Old farts like this are so totally devoid of reality, we're all better off with them in retirement to enjoy their millions that they've scabbed off the efforts of others.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on December 31, 2024, 06:04:50 am
Apparently I haven't heard any of the legends that made him a "Legendary Miami men's basketball coach."

Along a similar line of thought, my first reaction was... who?


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Downunder Dolphan on January 02, 2025, 06:29:12 am
There is no possibility of a system in college football that levels the playing field for player acquisition.  The big schools have too much power and no incentive to give it up.
Hell, at the FBS level the NCAA doesn't even run the postseason tournament (like they do for FCS or in college basketball).

The current system that allows the smaller schools an opportunity to play the big boys for the national championship (instead of simply being frozen out like UCF) is a miracle that took our entire lifetimes to achieve.  Similarly, NIL at least gives smaller schools the chance to buy big-time players.  It's hard to see how things can improve much from here.

Ok. I am from another country casually observing this (for tow decades or three) very casually as my primary focus is NFL, but I am kind of confused.

So with one game to go in the new expended playoff system, of the three semi-final games played all of the underdogs (lesser ranked teams) have won. If Notre Dame beats Georgia, then the whole thing has flipped on its head going in.

Isn't this supposed to be a good thing? Where the arbitrary rankings of sports media is overridden by... the best teams actually winning in a head to head contest? Am I missing something here?


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: CF DolFan on January 02, 2025, 08:37:35 am
Ohio State would be out if it had only been 4 teams. The playoff is working just fine. Tonight's game could add to that. The best thing for me is that we have more meaningful games regardless of outcome. No one cares about the majority of these Bowl games any longer.



Cop out. None of that is going on right now. Those are off-season discussions. I'm sure a 4-8 record has nothing to do with it.
Not true. He said agents were contacting him and requesting million dollar offers to discuss their client. Other coaches have said this as well. Regardless of how people think about players getting paid  ... the process is out of control.



Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: CF DolFan on January 02, 2025, 08:49:14 am
Apparently I haven't heard any of the legends that made him a "Legendary Miami men's basketball coach."


Hahaha  .. you may want to let all of the South Florida sports reporters know that he has not received that level of respect. I'm guessing the ACC Championships, ACC coaches of the year awards, Elite 8 appearances and being the only coach to get the team to the Final 4 has a lot of people respecting him.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 02, 2025, 01:14:58 pm
I guess Larranaga is a "legend" in South Florida?  I imagine the coach who brought a national championship to UCF is also a "legend" in central Florida.

In any case, this "legendary coach" is as soft as wet tissue paper.  He can't handle a world where his players are being fairly compensated for the value they are bringing to his program?  Cry me a river.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Phishfan on January 02, 2025, 01:33:18 pm
I guess Larranaga is a "legend" in South Florida?  I imagine the coach who brought a national championship to UCF is also a "legend" in central Florida.

In any case, this "legendary coach" is as soft as wet tissue paper.  He can't handle a world where his players are being fairly compensated for the value they are bringing to his program?  Cry me a river.

UCF doesn't have a championship in any major sport so I assume you mean Scott Frost who coached the undefeated football team. No one really talks about him at all that I hear.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 02, 2025, 01:41:56 pm
UCF doesn't have a championship in any major sport so I assume you mean Scott Frost who coached the undefeated football team.

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Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Phishfan on January 02, 2025, 01:42:31 pm
Ok. I am from another country casually observing this (for tow decades or three) very casually as my primary focus is NFL, but I am kind of confused.

So with one game to go in the new expended playoff system, of the three semi-final games played all of the underdogs (lesser ranked teams) have won. If Notre Dame beats Georgia, then the whole thing has flipped on its head going in.

Isn't this supposed to be a good thing? Where the arbitrary rankings of sports media is overridden by... the best teams actually winning in a head to head contest? Am I missing something here?

You are missing an important piece, the playoff rankings were arbitrary. The top four seeds were selected by winning their conference championship game. It didn't matter how they were sitting in the rankings before that so you could have been a higher seed in the playoffs but finished the season rankings below a team you were higher than in the playoffs.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Phishfan on January 02, 2025, 01:44:17 pm
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I've seen t-shirts also. You can print anything you have the money for.  ::)


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 02, 2025, 01:48:16 pm
I've seen t-shirts also. You can print anything you have the money for.  ::)
It's Official: NCAA Recognizes UCF as 2017 National Champions (https://www.blackandgoldbanneret.com/2018/8/25/17970912/it-s-official-ncaa-recognizes-ucf-as-2017-national-champions)

As far as the NCAA is concerned, UCF is one of the multiple national champions in 2017, just like LSU and USC in 2003, or Michigan and Nebraska in 1997.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Phishfan on January 02, 2025, 02:00:03 pm
It's Official: NCAA Recognizes UCF as 2017 National Champions (https://www.blackandgoldbanneret.com/2018/8/25/17970912/it-s-official-ncaa-recognizes-ucf-as-2017-national-champions)

As far as the NCAA is concerned, UCF is one of the multiple national champions in 2017, just like LSU and USC in 2003, or Michigan and Nebraska in 1997.

As far as the NCAA is concerned it recognizes the Colley Matrx recognizes UCF as national champions which is about as legitimate as printing the t-shirt I mentioned


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: CF DolFan on January 02, 2025, 02:20:40 pm
UCF doesn't have a championship in any major sport so I assume you mean Scott Frost who coached the undefeated football team. No one really talks about him at all that I hear.
We just rehired him so technically everyone sports related locally have been talking about him.

I thought he had a great quote about being back here. “When you're climbing the ladder of success in life, sometimes they forget to tell you to stop when you're happy.”


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: CF DolFan on January 02, 2025, 03:03:10 pm
Notre Dame never has a chance in hell of winning the championship and yet they have been gifted shot after shot.

The point is not whether a Cinderella team will actually win the whole thing; it's more about Cinderella teams knocking out big-time programs.
All three teams who received byes in the Top 4 have been eliminated so chances are fairly high.  If #6 Notre Dame beats #2 Georgia it will be a guarantee. #'s 1, 3, & 4 are done while #5, 6, and 8 are still in play.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 02, 2025, 06:08:20 pm
As far as the NCAA is concerned it recognizes the Colley Matrx recognizes UCF as national champions which is about as legitimate as printing the t-shirt I mentioned
The NCAA official record lists UCF as one of the national champions in 2017.  You can rationalize that away in whatever manner you like, but it's a fact.

More importantly, the current system is designed to prevent such a thing from happening again.  Instead of the national championship simply being anointed, it will be something closer to legitimately earned.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Phishfan on January 02, 2025, 10:49:44 pm
The NCAA official record lists UCF as one of the national champions in 2017.  You can rationalize that away in whatever manner you like, but it's a fact.


The funny thing is I'm not rationalizing. The NCAA does no such thing. You linked to some UCF Black and Gold fans items that gave you a snapshot with a BS story. That glimpse you see of UCF on whatever page he says is under the heading "Final National Poll Leaders" which means exactly as I said, the NCAA recognizes the Colley Matrix had them at the top. The two section headings "National Poll Champions in Bowl Games" and "Consensus National Champions " both list Alabama and do not mention UCF at all. You should look straight at the source material and not rely on a fan boy site.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Sunstroke on January 03, 2025, 12:49:32 am

Apparently, the legend continues...   ;D



Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Spider-Dan on January 03, 2025, 01:23:26 am
The funny thing is I'm not rationalizing. The NCAA does no such thing. You linked to some UCF Black and Gold fans items that gave you a snapshot with a BS story. That glimpse you see of UCF on whatever page he says is under the heading "Final National Poll Leaders" which means exactly as I said, the NCAA recognizes the Colley Matrix had them at the top. The two section headings "National Poll Champions in Bowl Games" and "Consensus National Champions " both list Alabama and do not mention UCF at all. You should look straight at the source material and not rely on a fan boy site.
First things first: I acknowledge that the widely-recognized system in place in 2017 selected Alabama as the national champions without allowing undefeated UCF to play... which is precisely the point.  We just saw the top 4 seeds in the playoff all lose their first game.  The idea that upsets happen in college basketball literally every year (which is the primary draw of the NCAA Tournament!) but would somehow be impossible in college football is just ludicrous.  Blue blood teams like Alabama have been protected for decades, and that protection is at an end.

Now, as to the substance of your response: the "Final National Poll Leaders" ARE the national champions.  That's precisely what a "national championship" is in FBS!  Winning the College Football Playoff, or the BCS Championship before it, does not make you a "national champion;" the pollsters voting for you after you win it does.  And UCF is not listed as a "consensus national champion" because they weren't a consensus champion, nor did they claim to be.

The NCAA record book recognizes Colley as a "National Champion Major Selector" and states, "The criteria for being included in this historical list of poll selectors is that the poll be national in scope, either through distribution in newspaper, television, radio and/or computer online. The list includes both former selectors, who were instrumental in the sport of college football, and selectors who were among the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) selectors."  Colley was one of the polls used in BCS rankings.  UCF was the "Final National Poll Leader" for Colley, and therefore were the national champions according to one of the official polls recognized by the NCAA.  That is simply fact.

Now, if you want to say that Colley doesn't really count... fine!  I agree that the powers in control of the shitty system that was in place declared that an undefeated team can simply be presumed to be worse than the mighty SEC teams who would never lose to inferior opponents.

Just be glad that the same system isn't in place in the NFL, because if it was, New England would have an undefeated championship under their belt.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: CF DolFan on January 03, 2025, 08:05:56 am
I agree with Spider that the big conferences have been protected to a degree. Universities like UCF, Boise and others have forced them to create the playoff system. Hell ... even undefeated ACC Champion FSU was declined last year. I think the long lay-off hurt teams but overall it proves that the Championship is up for grabs and that's really what's best for college football fans.


Title: Re: Legendary Miami men’s basketball coach Jim Larrañag quits because of NIL
Post by: Sibster on January 03, 2025, 08:34:33 pm
I agree with Spider that the big conferences have been protected to a degree. Universities like UCF, Boise and others have forced them to create the playoff system. Hell ... even undefeated ACC Champion FSU was declined last year. I think the long lay-off hurt teams but overall it proves that the Championship is up for grabs and that's really what's best for college football fans.

Yep.  It's not easy to take a month off and then be expected to play some of your best football.   With this new format, they need to start the playoffs earlier.   Perhaps the week after the conference championships, and end it on New Years weekend.   Or maybe the week after.   Perhaps the NFL could play all of it's week 18 games on Sunday and let the CFP have it's national championship game that Saturday night.